J4/5 (Social Rugby) Season 2014/2015

Winters · 29-09-2014 1:01pm

stephen_n wrote: »

Still only getting to know the team, the scumhalf was the only player, still there from when i originally played for stones. Yeah the backs were very good when they cut out the stupid mistakes, glad I'm not trying to break into the backline, be hard enough to get into the backrow. What position were you playing?

I played left wing. That prop fell on my knee in the first half and it's been the size of a football since. Hopefully just bruised.

stephen_n · 29-09-2014 1:34pm

Winters wrote: »

I played left wing. That prop fell on my knee in the first half and it's been the size of a football since. Hopefully just bruised.

Hope it heals soon, bleedin props hey

.ak · 29-09-2014 8:09pm

Winters wrote: »

I played left wing. That prop fell on my knee in the first half and it's been the size of a football since. Hopefully just bruised.

Sounds like you were doing non-winger things and getting involved in things you shouldn't be. That's why I'm always broken, I'm a terrible winger. :P

Winters · 29-09-2014 10:28pm

.ak wrote: »

Sounds like you were doing non-winger things and getting involved in things you shouldn't be. That's why I'm always broken, I'm a terrible winger. :P

Yeah like 'tackling' whatever that is.

gaius c · 30-09-2014 4:04pm

Emerald Warriors have withdrawn from Div 10.

Also noted on the league page.

Bective Rangers deducted 4 points as part of sanctions against club for playing illegal players in O'Connor Cup last season 2013-14.

.ak · 30-09-2014 4:19pm

Guess we'll have a big crowd for the game against Stillorgan in Div11 then. :P

devolution · 30-09-2014 4:55pm

gaius c wrote: »

Emerald Warriors have withdrawn from Div 10.

Also noted on the league page.

See all bective. Teams hit with sanctions as well as railway!
Maybe lessons will be learned.

GavMan · 30-09-2014 4:59pm

gaius c wrote: »

Emerald Warriors have withdrawn from Div 10.

Also noted on the league page.

Anyone have a link to the new tables? I keep getting last years tables...

stephen_n · 30-09-2014 5:11pm

devolution wrote: »

See all bective. Teams hit with sanctions as well as railway!
Maybe lessons will be learned.

Interesting move, about time the branch took this seriously.

Eoin · 30-09-2014 5:29pm

GavMan wrote: »

Anyone have a link to the new tables? I keep getting last years tables...

http://www.leinsterrugbydomestic.com/league/88291/division6
http://www.leinsterrugbydomestic.com/league/88479/division7
http://www.leinsterrugbydomestic.com/league/88615/division8
http://www.leinsterrugbydomestic.com/league/88689/division9
http://www.leinsterrugbydomestic.com/league/88979/division10

devolution · 30-09-2014 6:11pm

stephen_n wrote: »

Interesting move, about time the branch took this seriously.

You would think with sanctions like the ones handed out that clubs will now self police, ie, if a teams takes a chance on loading up with illegal or ineligable player they run the risk if embarrassing their whole club, I'm sure many of the old guard in bective & railway are rather displeased having that up on the leinster branch page for a whole season!

.ak · 30-09-2014 6:47pm

Suttonians are div10 now?

dave13 · 30-09-2014 8:20pm

.ak wrote: »

Suttonians are div10 now?

They have a new J5 team. J4 team couldn't field last weekend so not sure what their numbers are like

glic83 · 01-10-2014 10:52pm

Any other 3rd teams playing Friday nights under lights?

Winters · 02-10-2014 8:46am

glic83 wrote: »

Any other 3rd teams playing Friday nights under lights?

We can but no games scheduled for Fridays yet (Malahide - Metro 8)

Heroditas · 02-10-2014 9:06am

Ha! I didn't realise the ref who was down to ref Clontarf v Emerald Warriors this weekend in J10 was actually reffing at all!

stephen_n · 02-10-2014 10:14am

Heroditas wrote: »

Ha! I didn't realise the ref who was down to ref Clontarf v Emerald Warriors this weekend in J10 was actually reffing at all!

Is that an in joke? who is he?

gaius c · 02-10-2014 10:44am

Alain Rolland

Snr

stephen_n · 02-10-2014 11:13am

Gregory Kelly? am I missing something? lol

.ak · 02-10-2014 11:14am

stephen_n wrote: »

Gregory Kelly? am I missing something? lol

I'm missing it too.

stephen_n · 02-10-2014 11:26am

.ak wrote: »

I'm missing it too.

Maybe it's been changed on the site?

devolution · 02-10-2014 10:10pm

Anyone know what greystones team in div 8 are like, they put a big one up against malahide last sat & sound like they are real contenders??

Heroditas · 02-10-2014 10:29pm

Sorry guys. He has coached my club's youths. I didn't even realise he had his ref qualifications.
One or two other posters here would know him.

stephen_n · 03-10-2014 10:30am

devolution wrote: »

Anyone know what greystones team in div 8 are like, they put a big one up against malahide last sat & sound like they are real contenders??

Team is strong enough but you can't read too much into one result, there were a lot of big scores in last weekends games.

.ak · 03-10-2014 11:29am

Yeah, thing with that level is you get some big results but it doesn't say much. Really it's the most consistent teams that win the divisions, rather than the ones that put up big scores.

Winters · 03-10-2014 11:55am

We found Greystones to be tough going. Good ten, accurate kicking, big 12, strong back row and skillful 15. They had us in the collisions as the game wore on. Their scrum wasn't anything special though, line out well competed.

We are up against Blackrock tomorrow who put 60 points down in their first game. Difficult to gauge teams at this stage.

stephen_n · 03-10-2014 12:29pm

Winters wrote: »

We found Greystones to be tough going. Good ten, accurate kicking, big 12, strong back row and skillful 15. They had us in the collisions as the game wore on. Their scrum wasn't anything special though, line out well competed.

We are up against Blackrock tomorrow who put 60 points down in their first game. Difficult to gauge teams at this stage.

It won't really be possible to gauge strengths until after 3 or 4 games, we have Terenure this weekend in Lakelands, that will test the strength of our team.

Eoin · 03-10-2014 12:34pm

Winters wrote: »

We found Greystones to be tough going. Good ten, accurate kicking, big 12, strong back row and skillful 15. They had us in the collisions as the game wore on. Their scrum wasn't anything special though, line out well competed.

We are up against Blackrock tomorrow who put 60 points down in their first game. Difficult to gauge teams at this stage.

Blackrock were good last year - a young team well capable of scoring tries.

They were looking good to make the play-offs until they got deducted points for their J1s not being able to field a team. They were still in the hunt until the very last match of the league if I remember correctly.

EpiphoneSpecial · 03-10-2014 12:34pm

dave13 wrote: »

They have a new J5 team. J4 team couldn't field last weekend so not sure what their numbers are like

We had about 5 people training for 3rd XV in Div6.
So decision made to move remaining 3rd XV players into Div10 and supplement it with Vets and newcomers.

Winters · 04-10-2014 12:10pm

Metro 8, Round 2 - Malahide Blackrock called off, Blackrock couldn't field.

Remmy · 04-10-2014 10:33pm

Generally what time do mid week training sessions take place for j4/5 rugby teams?

Eoin · 04-10-2014 10:45pm

Div 7: Seapoint 52 - 0 Raliway Union. Our Div 8 team couldn't field a team so had to concede.

I see that Barnhall gave UCD a serious spanking in Div 8 - put something like 80 points on them.

The Lost Sheep · 05-10-2014 12:42am

Remmy wrote: »

Generally what time do mid week training sessions take place for j4/5 rugby teams?

Hard to say and it'll vary from club to club.

Was in Donnybrook today and saw some of the Bective 4ths v Trinity in Division 9. High scoring clash won by Bective just about in the end

salmocab · 05-10-2014 9:37am

Remmy wrote: »

Generally what time do mid week training sessions take place for j4/5 rugby teams?

Id say most start between 7 and 730 and last 90 minutes, although clubs with tighter facilities might have awkward timings

cmdrpaddy · 05-10-2014 12:36pm

Eoin wrote: »

Div 7: Seapoint 52 - 0 Raliway Union. Our Div 8 team couldn't field a team so had to concede.

I see that Barnhall gave UCD a serious spanking in Div 8 - put something like 80 points on them.

They did indeed.

There was some very good players playing for Barnhall yesterday. As I understand it they've got a partnership with Maynooth and the turnout for training has been incredible. Lots of quality players dropping down through the teams. In saying that the UCD team was a very thrown together effort, lots of people were missing and and at least 6 lads were playing their first game.

I only recognised 2 or 3 of the players from the Barnhall team we've been playing the past couple of seasons.

gaius c · 05-10-2014 2:37pm

EpiphoneSpecial wrote: »

We had about 5 people training for 3rd XV in Div6.
So decision made to move remaining 3rd XV players into Div10 and supplement it with Vets and newcomers.

Refusing to field at J4 but fielding at a lower level and then comfortably beating the strongest team in that level?

I'm no oracle but I suspect the branch will be taking a dim view of such shenanigans. Div 6 players should not be playing in Div 10.

The Lost Sheep · 05-10-2014 2:43pm

cmdrpaddy wrote: »

They did indeed.

There was some very good players playing for Barnhall yesterday. As I understand it they've got a partnership with Maynooth and the turnout for training has been incredible. Lots of quality players dropping down through the teams. In saying that the UCD team was a very thrown together effort, lots of people were missing and and at least 6 lads were playing their first game.

I only recognised 2 or 3 of the players from the Barnhall team we've been playing the past couple of seasons.

Barnhall and Maynooth have been working together for years but the club was rebranded as NUIM Barnhall in 2010
No surprise to hear of a student side being very thrown together this time of year.. early days for them even more than any other club

gaius c · 05-10-2014 6:23pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Barnhall and Maynooth have been working together for years but the club was rebranded as NUIM Barnhall in 2010

Aye. Touchy subject with the local junior club in Maynooth who were pretty much robbed of their main source of players and unlike the stronger uni's few of Maynooth's players are really strong enough to push for AIL so it just means that lads who could be playing firsts at junior level are wasting their time at J3/J4 instead.

EpiphoneSpecial · 06-10-2014 9:41am

gaius c wrote: »

Refusing to field at J4 but fielding at a lower level and then comfortably beating the strongest team in that level?

I'm no oracle but I suspect the branch will be taking a dim view of such shenanigans. Div 6 players should not be playing in Div 10.

15:00 Suttonians 22 vs 14 Terenure College RFC

Sounds like a close game, just to note I'm not playing on this team.
Just know what situation was for change in leagues.

devolution · 06-10-2014 1:24pm

EpiphoneSpecial wrote: »

15:00 Suttonians 22 vs 14 Terenure College RFC

Sounds like a close game, just to note I'm not playing on this team.
Just know what situation was for change in leagues.

Branch regulations if correct are that if you forfeit at a higher level you cannot field at any level below & points go to opposition, so nure will get the points

stephen_n · 06-10-2014 1:32pm

devolution wrote: »

Branch regulations if correct are that if you forfeit at a higher level you cannot field at any level below & points go to opposition, so nure will get the points

You sure about that? pretty sure when Belvo won the J4 league a couple of years ago they had no J3 team that season.

The Lost Sheep · 06-10-2014 1:42pm

stephen_n wrote: »

You sure about that? pretty sure when Belvo won the J4 league a couple of years ago they had no J3 team that season.

That may have been case then but its in the branch regulations for last season(which I assume have stayed the same for this season). leinsterrugby.ie/files/Competition_Regulations_Sept_2013

ArmchairQB · 06-10-2014 1:50pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

That may have been case then but its in the branch regulations for last season(which I assume have stayed the same for this season). leinsterrugby.ie/files/Competition_Regulations_Sept_2013

Yes was made very clear to clubs last season and again this season by the branch.

stephen_n · 06-10-2014 1:51pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

That may have been case then but its in the branch regulations for last season(which I assume have stayed the same for this season). leinsterrugby.ie/files/Competition_Regulations_Sept_2013

That was 3 or 4 years ago, so you're probably right. They were given the points on the site so far anyway.

Eoin · 06-10-2014 2:08pm

devolution wrote: »

Branch regulations if correct are that if you forfeit at a higher level you cannot field at any level below & points go to opposition, so nure will get the points

last season I think that the result stood, but league points were deducted.

blackwhite · 06-10-2014 2:16pm

stephen_n wrote: »

You sure about that? pretty sure when Belvo won the J4 league a couple of years ago they had no J3 team that season.

From my reading of the rule, it means that if a team gives a walkover on a weekend but a lower level team within the club manages to field a team, then the club's teams are docked points.

If the bottom team in a club concedes a walkover that team will be
deducted 4 League points
b. If a team other than the bottom team in a club concedes a walkover and team(s) at lower levels from that club play their game(s) the following sanctions will apply:
a. Deduction of 4 League points
b. Every other team in the club that is not participating in AIL Qualifying Leagues will be deducted ONE League point

EpiphoneSpecial · 06-10-2014 2:49pm

devolution wrote: »

Branch regulations if correct are that if you forfeit at a higher level you cannot field at any level below & points go to opposition, so nure will get the points

that rule is right, as it happened to us 2 years ago i think.
but the Div6 dropped out of league completely, so there isn't any walkovers as there's no higher team playing in metro. div10 is the only team in those leagues.

GavMan · 06-10-2014 3:02pm

If you field at a lower level and concede a walkover at a higher level, the results stand but there is a points deduction. Starting at 1, doubling to 2, 4, 8, etc.

stephen_n · 06-10-2014 3:04pm

Yeah but they didn't concede, they are not in a higher league.

BBG · 06-10-2014 10:14pm

gaius c wrote: »

Aye. Touchy subject with the local junior club in Maynooth who were pretty much robbed of their main source of players and unlike the stronger uni's few of Maynooth's players are really strong enough to push for AIL so it just means that lads who could be playing firsts at junior level are wasting their time at J3/J4 instead.

Who is the local junior club in Maynooth? Being from Maynooth, I've always found that both Barnhall & North Kildare have competed for players from Maynooth & the Uni. (I'm playing with Barnhall) There's the rugby club within the college but they've had links to Barnhall long before the scholarship program and Barnhall becoming NUIM Barnhall. Did I miss another local junior club?

Any of the college scholarship players with Barnhall are playing senior club at J1(AIL 2A), J2 & u20s so why would they want to play Junior J1 and I mean that with all due respect to NK. Not many college players & no scholarship players outside of that in the junior section of BH.

J4/5 (Social Rugby) Season 2014/2015

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