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    #152
    xerpae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭xerpae


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    That answer may not go down so well with a jury.

    Care factor?


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    #153
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    xerpae wrote: »
    Care factor?

    ?


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    #154
    xerpae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭xerpae


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    ?

    Means "I don't care".
    Can I just remind you...this is a discussion forum. Even it was a Ponzi or pyramid, there is nothing illegal about discussing it.


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    #155
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    xerpae wrote: »
    Means "I don't care".
    Can I just remind you...this is a discussion forum. Even it was a Ponzi or pyramid, there is nothing illegal about discussing it.

    I never said there was I said it is illegal to promote it I for one believe you are promoting it, but as I said it matters not what I think that's a jury's call.


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    #156
    xerpae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭xerpae


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    I never said there was I said it is illegal to promote it I for one believe you are promoting it, but as I said it matters not what I think that's a jury's call.

    It is neither a Ponzi or pyramid.
    I have no interest in promoting it here but if I chose to, there would not be any repercussions.


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    #157
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    xerpae wrote: »
    It is neither a Ponzi or pyramid.
    I have no interest in promoting it here but if I chose to, there would not be any repercussions.

    Then nothing to worry about, I for one believe it is a scam a Ponzi and a pyramid scheme.


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    #158
    xerpae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭xerpae


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    Then nothing to worry about, I for one believe it is a scam a Ponzi and a pyramid scheme.

    You're entitled to your opinion.
    Myself and 300,000 others are comfortable with it.


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    #159
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    xerpae wrote: »
    You're entitled to your opinion.
    Myself and 300,000 others are comfortable with it.

    And of course 300,000 have never been wrong.


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    #160
    xerpae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭xerpae


    jjpep wrote: »
    If there's no ill intentions I guess selling to family and friends won't be an issue, right....

    Not so simple...there is risk involved.


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    #161
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    xerpae wrote: »
    Not so simple...there is risk involved.
    You would not know there was risk from reading your early posts.


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    #162
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    xerpae wrote: »
    Not so simple...there is risk involved.

    What are the risks by your own admission you have no idea what it does or the legal issues surrounding it.


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    #163
    xerpae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭xerpae


    jjpep wrote: »
    ok, last go then. Explain how this 'business' works.
    jjpep wrote: »
    What is it then? Explain how it works.

    In a nutshell:
    A member can buy advertisement packages and earn commission on those packages by placing ads for AGN in order to drive traffic to the website and by doing so, increasing the company's Alexa ranking.
    A member can also make commission by referring other members.


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    #164
    xerpae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭xerpae


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    You would not there was risk from reading your early posts.

    Could you give me an example?


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    #165
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    xerpae wrote: »
    In a nutshell:
    A member can buy advertisement packages and earn commission on those packages by placing ads for AGN in order to drive traffic to the website and by doing so, increasing the company's Alexa ranking.
    A member can also make commission by referring other members.

    So where does the profit come from because you just described a pyramid scheme.


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    #166
    xerpae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭xerpae


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    What are the risks by your own admission you have no idea what it does or the legal issues surrounding it.

    I'm struggling to believe you are a lawyer.
    Can you repost that with punctuation.


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    #167
    xerpae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭xerpae


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    So where does the profit come from because you just described a pyramid scheme.

    The profit will come from advertising along with a few other streams...a payment processor for instance.


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    #168
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    xerpae wrote: »
    In a nutshell:
    A member can buy advertisement packages and earn commission on those packages by placing ads for AGN in order to drive traffic to the website and by doing so, increasing the company's Alexa ranking.
    A member can also make commission by referring other members.

    Also from Alexa,

    "What are Estimated Site Metrics?
    Not all websites implement our on-site analytics and publish the results. For these sites, we show estimated metrics based on traffic patterns across the web as a whole. We identify these patterns by looking at the activity of millions of web users throughout the world, and using data normalization to correct for any biases.

    The more traffic a site gets, the more data we have to calculate estimated metrics. Estimates are more reliable the closer a site is to being ranked #1. Global traffic ranks of 100,000+ are subject to large fluctuations and should be considered rough estimates."

    Why don't AGN implement on-site analytics and publish the results.


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    #169
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    xerpae wrote: »
    The profit will come from advertising along with a few other streams...a payment processor for instance.

    But I thought you said they had no advertisers. Payment processor will charge the company upto 4% to process the payment even if it gives the company back a quarter of that charge that's does not a profit make.


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    #170
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    xerpae wrote: »
    I'm struggling to believe you are a lawyer.
    Can you repost that with punctuation.

    I'm struggling to believe you invested in this scam, thankfully bad spelling and punctuation is not a criminal activity but promoting this thing is.


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    #171
    xerpae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭xerpae


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    But I thought you said they had no advertisers. Payment processor will charge the company upto 4% to process the payment even if it gives the company back a quarter of that charge that's does not a profit make.

    I said the profit will come from advertisers. The payment processor was an example...ArgentPay.


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    #172
    xerpae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭xerpae


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    Why don't AGN implement on-site analytics and publish the results.

    How the fcuk would I know?!


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    #173
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    xerpae wrote: »
    In a nutshell:
    A member can buy advertisement packages and earn commission on those packages by placing ads for AGN in order to drive traffic to the website and by doing so, increasing the company's Alexa ranking.
    A member can also make commission by referring other members.
    You do realise that every 6 months Google change their algorithms and the next one might decrease your google ranking or ban you from appearing in a Google search if they decide the way you drive traffic to your site is dubious.


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    #174
    xerpae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭xerpae


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    I'm struggling to believe you invested in this scam, thankfully bad spelling and punctuation is not a criminal activity but promoting this thing is.

    I don't consider it to be a scam. It's not a criminal activity to promote something that is not illegal.


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    #175
    xerpae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭xerpae


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    You do realise that every 6 months Google change their algorithms and the next one might decrease your google ranking or ban you from appearing in a Google search if they decide the way you drive traffic to your site is dubious.

    AGN has over 300,000 members and will continue to grow...I can't see there being any issues.


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    #176
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    xerpae wrote: »
    I said the profit will come from advertisers. The payment processor was an example...ArgentPay.

    Again what advertisers, and how will the payment processor earn enough money to pay back the returns, from their max 4% cut which is taken from the company. So they process €1,000 the company gets €960 max the processor get €40. So now the person who paid the money earns money every week, let's say the payment processor gives all €40 back, say the person gets €10 a week well after 4 weeks where is the profit coming from.


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    #177
    Pro Hoc Vice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭Pro Hoc Vice


    xerpae wrote: »
    AGN has over 300,000 members and will continue to grow...I can't see there being any issues.

    Yes selling what and there you go promoting it again.


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    #178
    xerpae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭xerpae


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    Again what advertisers, and how will the payment processor earn enough money to pay back the returns, from their max 4% cut which is taken from the company. So they process €1,000 the company gets €960 max the processor get €40. So now the person who paid the money earns money every week, let's say the payment processor gives all €40 back week say the person gets €10 a week well after 4 weeks where is the profit coming from.

    The advertisers that will come on board. That last sentence was in the future tense.
    I never claimed that the payment processor would earn enough money to pay back the returns...I repeat, it is an example of an additional income stream.


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    #179
    xerpae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭xerpae


    Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »
    Yes selling what and there you go promoting it again.

    There I go responding to skimpy's post about rankings.
    Do you have comprehension issues?


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    #180
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    xerpae wrote: »
    AGN has over 300,000 members and will continue to grow...I can't see there being any issues.
    Amazon has a 3 million plus affiliates and they all got banned by Googles Penguin algorithm that was released last year.


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    #181
    xerpae
    Closed Accounts Posts: 162 ✭✭xerpae


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    Amazon has a 3 million plus affiliates and they all got banned by Googles Penguin algorithm that was released last year.

    I can't see how that would affect AGN's performance.
    They have over 300,000 members propping up the Alexa ranking which is what matters when it comes to advertising.


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