Dangerous driving and speeding !!

140490

To night i was driving on south circular road doing around 80km/h it was late and dark til i saw someone walking when he saw me he flashed with his torch few times, so i kept driving till garda car pulled me over he said he is gonna charge me for dangerous driving and speeding in residential area and failure to stop to garda . I told him how come i will know its garda walking in dark behind trees!!
Anyone have any idea if i will loose my licence !!

endacl

Hope so.

Noccy_Mondy

No you won't lose it. Probably a fine and points.

Toyotafanboi

sounds like you drove through a checkpoint?

CiniO

There should be some prescribed by law signal given by gardai when requesting drivers to stop.

Situation when a guard car just flash his toy torch (possibly not even wearing his uniform) to pull over a car, and when car doesn't stop then catch up the driver and sue him for failing to stop for garda request is just completely ridiculous.

Sir Arthur Daley

That is a weird one. Was the guard with the flashlight operating a speed gun?

140490

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

That is a weird one. Was the guard with the flashlight operating a speed gun?

He was just walking on road or i don't know where the hell he came from, but i was driving and south c r is dark and full of trees as we know till i saw few flash light from torch it looks like a bicycle or something then he said he will charge me for failure to stop to garda !!

140490

Was driving loud modified car i think this explain more

Sir Arthur Daley

What is the official speed limit on that road op?

Kablamo!

Also you were a good bit over the limit?

CiniO

What is south circular road?
In what town/city is it?
Any google maps link?

Noccy_Mondy

CiniO wrote: »

What is south circular road?
In what town/city is it?
Any google maps link?

In Dublin isn't it?

Toyotafanboi

CiniO wrote: »

What is south circular road?
In what town/city is it?
Any google maps link?

major enough road in Dublin city.

https://goo.gl/maps/pL2Uh

TouchingVirus

The south circular is in Dublin. It's a built up area, the limit is 50kph so if you were up on 80 you were speeding a fair bit. Doesn't help that you failed to stop, could be construed that was because of your speed. You shouldn't lose your licebse but expect points and a fine

Kop On

140490 wrote: »

He was just walking on road or i don't know where the hell he came from, but i was driving and south c r is dark and full of trees as we know till i saw few flash light from torch it looks like a bicycle or something then he said he will charge me for failure to stop to garda !!

You say yourself the road is dark and full of trees but still you do 80KPH on, not very clever.

Tigger

lol 50 mph old school on the scr

8 points on the way

CiniO

Well, google maps seem to show there is "south circular road" in Limerick as well - so could be that one.

Anyone - if that's the one in Dublin from Toyotafanboi link, then 80km/h at night doesn't seem like a heavy crime, and I wouldn't expect driving ban for it really. It's looks like major and wide enough road.

In relation to not stopping to garda signal - that's another matter, and as I said above - IMHO situation is ridiculous that there is no set method (by law) what signal garda is meant to give to drivers to pull them over.

Tigger

CiniO wrote: »

Well, google maps seem to show there is "south circular road" in Limerick as well - so could be that one.

Anyone - if that's the one in Dublin from Toyotafanboi link, then 80km/h at night doesn't seem like a heavy crime, and I wouldn't expect driving ban for it really. It's looks like major and wide enough road.

In relation to not stopping to garda signal - that's another matter, and as I said above - IMHO situation is ridiculous that there is no set method (by law) what signal garda is meant to give to drivers to pull them over.

80 about so 90 in a 50 is not a heavy crime

but buses undertaking in bus lanes is ,,,

Means Of Escape

16 year olds.....country roads.....driving high powered heavy tractors with trailers

Lunacy beyond belief.

140490

https://www.google.ie/search?q=648+south+circular+road&oq=648+south+circular+road&aqs=chrome..69i57.1661j0j4&client=chrome-mobile&sourceid=chrome-mobile&espv=1&ie=UTF-8#

I know i was a bit in rush, i have an EU licence so no points but I'm just worrying about huge fine of 1000e or so or loosing my licence completely!

Sorry guys link in above South circular road is in Dublin

CiniO

Tigger wrote: »

80 about so 90 in a 50 is not a heavy crime

but buses undertaking in bus lanes is ,,,

Is it?
Well - I don't know - you tell me?!?!
Why would buses undertaking in bus lanes be a heavy crime?

CiniO

140490 wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/search?q=648+south+circular+road&oq=648+south+circular+road&aqs=chrome..69i57.1661j0j4&client=chrome-mobile&sourceid=chrome-mobile&espv=1&ie=UTF-8#

I know i was a bit in rush, i have an EU licence so no points but I'm just worrying about huge fine of 1000e or so or loosing my licence completely!

Sorry guys link in above South circular road is in Dublin

If you have a foreign licence, then I don't think you can loose it.

Sir Arthur Daley

CiniO wrote: »

Anyone - if that's the one in Dublin from Toyotafanboi link, then 80km/h at night doesn't seem like a heavy crime, and I wouldn't expect driving ban for it really. It's looks like major and wide enough road.

If we are agreeing 50km is the limit the op would be doing 30km more than the limit.

Tigger

CiniO wrote: »

Is it?
Well - I don't know - you tell me?!?!
Why would buses undertaking in bus lanes be a heavy crime?

90 in a 50 is 180%

so pretty bad

140490

Garda told me i was doing around 120km/h he doesn't have evidence its just my car kinda look fast and loud exhaust it looks like im driving fast even if im driving normal, but i know i was doing around 90km/h on that road !!

Tigger

140490 wrote: »

Garda told me i was doing around 120km/h he doesn't have evidence its just my car kinda look fast and loud exhaust it looks like im driving fast even if im driving normal, but i know i was doing around 90km/h on that road !!

told ya
180%
fecked

CiniO

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

If we are agreeing 50km is the limit the op would be doing 30km more than the limit.

Yes, then he's guilty of speeding.

Tigger

CiniO wrote: »

Yes, then he's guilty of speeding.

very speeding

180 on a 100 speeding

or 216 on a motorway speeding

133mph in old money

CiniO

Tigger wrote: »

very speeding

Well, IMO very speeding would be 130km/h in 50km/h.

OP said 80km/h initially, and this IMO is just normal speeding.
I don't think in any EU countries you'd get driving ban for being up to 30km/h over the speed limit.
Maybe Ireland is exception though - I don't know.
I have no means to find out anyway, as in my region there are no speed traps at all.

Sir Arthur Daley

CiniO wrote: »

Yes, then he's guilty of speeding.

And because it was night it is a lesser crime? Would you have a different view if it was morning or noon say?

Tigger

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

And because it was night it is a lesser crime? Would you have a different view if it was morning or noon say?

he'd have a lesser view if it was Tuesday

Toyotafanboi

still sounds like the OP drove through a checkpoint. i mean gardai don't just hang around roadsides waving torches for the good of their health.

i doubt you would get a ban, seeing as he has no proof of your actual speed other than "it looking like you were speeding". potentially you could be done for careless driving, which is €80 and 2 points. that could be fair, it's not my place to say though. 80km/h in a 50 (built up/ residential) zone is a bit excessive. definitely the difference between maybe injuring and definitely killing someone i'd say.

given the nature of the zones, 80 in a 50 imo is much more dangerous than say 130 in a 100 zone.

Tigger

CiniO wrote: »

Well, IMO very speeding would be 130km/h in 50km/h.

OP said 80km/h initially, and this IMO is just normal speeding.
I don't think in any EU countries you'd get driving ban for being up to 30km/h over the speed limit.
Maybe Ireland is exception though - I don't know.
I have no means to find out anyway, as in my region there are no speed traps at all.

he admitted to 90 in a 50

and thats trouble in ireland 180%
th co says 120 which is 240%
ban time

Dowl88

2 penalty points for speeding id imagine but unless the gaurd clocked you probably wont ever hear from them again!

CiniO

Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »

And because it was night it is a lesser crime? Would you have a different view if it was morning or noon say?

I wouldn't call it a crime in a first place, but offence.

And yes - of course. Speeding at night with no one around is not as bad as speeding in the morning on noon with big traffic.

CiniO

Tigger wrote: »

he admitted to 90 in a 50

and thats trouble in ireland 180%
th co says 120 which is 240%
ban time

Indeed OP's story seem to change with every additional post by him in this thread.

CianRyan

Tigger wrote: »

he admitted to 90 in a 50

and thats trouble in ireland 180%
th co says 120 which is 240%
ban time

Not sure which part of your arse you're pulling this ban out of but I was caught with a speed gun doing 98 in a 50. 2 points, €80 and a disapproving look.

Mind you, I was on a 4 lane main road just after leaving the motorway. Hardly SCR.

Which section were you on, OP?
It's a long road...

K.Flyer

So O.P. ya got caught speeding, suck it up and accept whats coming to you.
If you had been travelling at the speed limit you may have been in a better position to see what was going on in front of you and been able to stop in good time.

140490

CianRyan wrote: »

Not sure which part of your arse you're pulling this ban out of but I was caught with a speed gun doing 98 in a 50. 2 points, €80 and a disapproving look.

Mind you, I was on a 4 lane main road just after leaving the motorway. Hardly SCR.

Which section were you on, OP?
It's a long road...

Pic

K.Flyer

140490 wrote: »

Pic

Thats the section of the SCR between the back gate of St James Hospital and Suir Rd Inchicore. Its a regular spot for checkpoints.

CianRyan

140490 wrote: »

Pic

Often dashes for the lights there if it where in thinking of but never in the dark and never if I can't see a clear run.
It's known for check points alright.

djimi

Dowl88 wrote: »

2 penalty points for speeding id imagine but unless the gaurd clocked you probably wont ever hear from them again!

Its fairly obvious we are getting nothing like the full story here, but if it is what it sounds like then the OP was driving too fast down a residential road to notice the checkpoint that they failed to stop for, so at the very least they can probably expect to be charged with dangerous driving and failing to stop for a Gardai (not sure what the exact wording of the offense is).

bear1

Out of curiosity OP, you said you have an EU licence - is the car from outside the state as well?
Honestly, you more than likely will not be banned. I just can't see them doing that.
If it was twice the limit then I would imagine so.
Watch your speed though in future, if a child had ran out onto the road then it could have ended very badly for you.
It's 50 for a reason.

djimi

bear1 wrote: »

Out of curiosity OP, you said you have an EU licence - is the car from outside the state as well?
Honestly, you more than likely will not be banned. I just can't see them doing that.
If it was twice the limit then I would imagine so.
Watch your speed though in future, if a child had ran out onto the road then it could have ended very badly for you.
It's 50 for a reason.

Especially on that road. I dont know about all of the SCR, but my grandparents used to live across from the National Stadium and that stretch of SCR especially is quite dark at night, and at certain times can have quite a few pedestrians.

keithclancy

10 or 11 years ago I was driving from Dublin to Cork on my motorbike, pulled off the motorway to get some fuel (surprising how few petrol stations were open late at night back then)

Was driving down a country road in Kildare at night time and came around a bend.

There was a car at the side of the road and someone wearing a luminous jacket waving a flash light at me signalling me to pull over. I started to slow down and then just got a weird feeling that I was down this country road on my own with nobody around so I just kept going.

Went to Kildare town and this car followed me the whole way there.

Ended up stopping outside a Garda station and the car just passed me and kept going.

So no, I wouldn't stop for some guy hiding in the bushes with a flashlight wearing a luminous jacket.

A checkpoint should be clearly visible with traffic cones, a blue sign indicating its a checkpoint and with uniformed officers and marked police vehicles.

If its a speed trap then they can either stop me with the car they have further down the road or they can just send me a ticket.

Over here, driving 80 in a 50 (30 km/h over) would be a fine of 316 euros.

Although if they OP thinks he was driving 80, it was probably lower, around 72 km/h.

V.W.L 11

section 53 of the road traffic act 1961 as amended is the act for dangerous driving look it up

K.Flyer

140490 wrote: »

He was just walking on road or i don't know where the hell he came from, but i was driving and south c r is dark and full of trees as we know till i saw few flash light from torch it looks like a bicycle or something then he said he will charge me for failure to stop to garda !!

By your own admission the road is dark, full of trees and in a built up residential area. Its also right next to one of Dublin's busiest hospitals.
Yet the big concern amongst some is how you were stopped, not so much what you were doing.
Did anyone ever think that maybe the Garda was just walking along, saw the O.P. speeding towards him and tried to get him to stop without putting his own life in danger.
Do some people actually expect him to step out into the middle of the road and put his hand up to stop a car coming straight at him at 80kmh and hope he doesn't get run over not knowing if the driver is D.U.I or sober?

ironclaw

K.Flyer wrote: »

Did anyone ever think that maybe the Garda was just walking along, saw the O.P. speeding towards him and tried to get him to stop without putting his own life in danger.
Do some people actually expect him to step out into the middle of the road and put his hand up to stop a car coming straight at him at 80kmh and hope he doesn't get run over not knowing if the driver is D.U.I or sober?

Common sense would dictate they would take the reg and call it in. They do have radios, a rather good system in fact, and an APB would be very easy to issue. Given the location, there isn't that many places to hide so you could guess where they are going. And also given the location there are always multiple cars in that area.

Personally, I would not stop for a luminous jacket flashing a torch a night. Any reasonably Garda and indeed judge would see that if it came to it. Frankly only an idiot would attempt to stop a speeding car on his own. And to add to that, prove the OP was speeding. 50km/h and 80km/h, by eye, at night? I'd feel fairly lucky of getting off on that one.

Come to think of it, OP, did they say you were speeding? I think you sped past a speed checkpoint.