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Sam Harris on the Israel-Palestine Conflict
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Even though Israelis normally win militarily, they still suffer losses, and they tire of fighting.
When they tire of fighting back they will all be killed. Hamas and Arab states have promised to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews.I believe most of them would rather live in a peaceful secular state than a religious state which is constantly at war with its neighbours.
Their neighbours are constantly attacking Israel and trying to kill all the Jews because they are Jews.Mostly their aggression is driven by fear, and the basic instinct to survive when surrounded by hostile forces.
No sh*t? So Israelis should blow kisses at people who want to kill them all?Its a vicious circle, because their "defensive" actions are what creates the hostility all around them.
By that logic rape victims should take the blame for being attacked.How to make the transition to a unitary secular state is the only problem.
Islamic fundamentalism is the only problem.IMO it will happen though, eventually.
Dream on!Probably resulting from a general decline in religiosity among both muslims and jews
LOL! Sure!
education, exposure to foreign TV, travel, the internet etc..
The very things that Hamas is opposed to!
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Actually it was the Israeli government who accussed Hamas of being behind killings in the West Bank, which Israel is illegally colonising.
So Hamas had nothing to do with the killings and to demonstrate how innocent they are they decided to firing rockets at Israel and try and kill more Israeli civilians was the only recourse? 0 -
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Anyway there is now a ceasefire and Israel has announced that it has completed eliminating the terror tunnels.
Hamas has got its ass comprehensively handed to them.
Job well done!
If Hamas does this again they will get the same medicine.
Wonderful victory for Israel.
I just want to congratulate the IDF and the Israeli people and most of all their heroic leader Benjamin Netanyahu! HERO!0 -
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R P McMurphy wrote: »Do you think their should be a dismantling of the illegal settlements in the west bank?
Who is going to dismantle them? 0 -
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I hope the hasbarists never actually hire you to spread propaganda because it would be a massive own goal. You make the Israeli side look devoid of any human empathy, cruel and callous - not that need any help.Who is going to dismantle them?
If you were in Israel (if you are not already) would you go to the top of that hill and rejoice with the sociopaths as 100 ton bombs tear Children limb from limb?0 -
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Brown Bomber wrote: »I hope the hasbarists never actually hire you to spread propaganda because it would be a massive own goal. You make the Israeli side look devoid of any human empathy, cruel and callous - not that need any help.
If you were in Israel (if you are not already) would you go to the top of that hill and rejoice with the sociopaths as 100 ton bombs tear Children limb from limb?
100 tons bombs? Never heard of any of those in any military inventory anywhere in the world. What other imaginary weapons can you dream up?
The Israeli operation destroyed tunnels, tunnel entrances, rocket launchers, rocket stores and eliminated terrorist cells and terrorists leaders.
Hamas uses its own people as human shields while firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
There is nothing that Israel did that Ireland would not do if we were attacked by a terrorist organization using civilian human shields.
The Gazans voted for Hamas. They sowed the wind and are reaping the whirlwind. I have no pity or sympathy for them whatsoever.0 -
100 tons bombs? Never heard of any of those in any military inventory anywhere in the world. What other imaginary weapons can you dream up?
The Israeli operation destroyed tunnels, tunnel entrances, rocket launchers, rocket stores and eliminated terrorist cells and terrorists leaders.
Hamas uses its own people as human shields while firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
There is nothing that Israel did that Ireland would not do if we were attacked by a terrorist organization using civilian human shields.
The Gazans voted for Hamas. They sowed the wind and are reaping the whirlwind. I have no pity or sympathy for them whatsoever.
Do you think the israelis should dismantle the settlements in the west bank?0 -
100 tons bombs? Never heard of any of those in any military inventory anywhere in the world. What other imaginary weapons can you dream up?
The Israeli operation destroyed tunnels, tunnel entrances, rocket launchers, rocket stores and eliminated terrorist cells and terrorists leaders.
Hamas uses its own people as human shields while firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
There is nothing that Israel did that Ireland would not do if we were attacked by a terrorist organization using civilian human shields.
The Gazans voted for Hamas. They sowed the wind and are reaping the whirlwind. I have no pity or sympathy for them whatsoever.
Which exist because of the actions of Israel.
If you can read this, you're too close!
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I mispoke. I meant to say 100 1-ton bombs.100 tons bombs? Never heard of any of those in any military inventory anywhere in the world. What other imaginary weapons can you dream up? .
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21546.htm
What other weapons of mass-murder, torture and collective punishment do the Butchers of the IDF use?
We can start with chemical weapons?
<li class="g">Israel admits white phosphorus use - Al Jazeera
And this is especially sick http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/03/israel
Israel is deploying a terrifying new tactic against Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip by letting loose deafening "sound bombs" that cause widespread fear, induce miscarriages and traumatise children.
The removal of Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip opened the way for the military to use air force jets to create dozens of sonic booms by breaking the sound barrier at low altitude, sending shockwaves across the territory, often at night. Palestinians liken the sound to an earthquake or huge bomb. They describe the effect as being hit by a wall of air that is painful on the ears, sometimes causing nosebleeds and "leaving you shaking inside".
The Palestinian health ministry says the sonic booms have led to miscarriages and heart problems. The United Nations has demanded an end to the tactic, saying it causes panic attacks in children. The shockwaves have also damaged buildings by cracking walls and smashing thousands of windows.
More importantly they have also literally destroyed many human beings, many of them Children. They have destroyed their ability to function as human beings in the Cage Israel has forced them into. They have also destroyed any chance of Peace and their barbarity has also destroyed any international good will left (that isn't paid for by Sheldon Adelson or the Israel Lobby) as people finally see past their delusions and see the Israeli government for the messianic, racist, violent, right-wing lunatics they are.The Israeli operation destroyed tunnels, tunnel entrances, rocket launchers, rocket stores and eliminated terrorist cells and terrorists leaders. .
Prove it, or shut up about it.100 Hamas uses its own people as human shields while firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
Utter nonsense. Ireland has been attacked by terrorists. We didn't start using our military to slaughter Children of the same race as the accused.There is nothing that Israel did that Ireland would not do if we were attacked by a terrorist organization using civilian human shields.
Which makes you sound like an extremist yourself.The Gazans voted for Hamas. They sowed the wind and are reaping the whirlwind. I have no pity or sympathy for them whatsoever.
What kind of human being has no sympathy for a Child screaming in agony after being
hit by shrapnel from a bomb?0 -
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Anyway there is now a ceasefire and Israel has announced that it has completed eliminating the terror tunnels.
Hamas has got its ass comprehensively handed to them.
Job well done!
If Hamas does this again they will get the same medicine.
Wonderful victory for Israel.
I just want to congratulate the IDF and the Israeli people and most of all their heroic leader Benjamin Netanyahu! HERO!
I was going to post pictures of murdered dead children but what the hell.
Funny how the IDF lost many soldiers when they came into Gaza and fought on the streets. They are great as Nancy Griffith says "from a distance".0 -
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Anyway there is now a ceasefire and Israel has announced that it has completed eliminating the terror tunnels.
Hamas has got its ass comprehensively handed to them.
Job well done!
If Hamas does this again they will get the same medicine.
Wonderful victory for Israel.
I just want to congratulate the IDF and the Israeli people and most of all their heroic leader Benjamin Netanyahu! HERO!
And we should all look forward to another bombardment in 4 years time when the tunnel network has been restored
The people of Gaza do not like Israel more today than they did a month ago.
If there were any moderates in Gaza, they have absolutely no hope after this. Even if all military action ends today, the suffering in Gaza continues, more people will die from wounds and infection and exposure and disease in the refugee camps.
There are now a new generation of children who have had to watch their friends and family and neighbours getting massacred in front of their eyes.
When the grief and shock subsides, it will be replaced with hatred and given that their own lives have no hope of peace and security, and their very lives can be taken from them at any moment by a fresh round of Israeli air strikes, they may feel that they have literally nothing to lose from joining in the resistance.0 -
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