Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP 28/8

mosstin

whatawaster wrote: »

I could see Borini playing a similar role for us as Kuyt did if he stayed. He has some similar attributes in terms of his workrate, attitude and movement. For £14m I'd sell him, but I won't be unhappy if he stays.

I'm personally hoping that Borini's much lauded movement takes him to the Stadium of Light.

LuckyLloyd

Sending Origi back to Lille is the right decision. He's raw - let him have another year in a comfortable environment at a decent level where he gets played regularly.

That leaves us needing a striker though however...

Augmerson

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

That leaves us needing a striker though however...

Cheeky 20m bid for Heskey should snap him up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB1D9wWxd2w

Devilman40k

Augmerson wrote: »

Cheeky 20m bid for Heskey should snap him up.

What?... Ayre should lowball for another player ?! :eek:

:pac:

tok9

Definitely agree we still need another striker.

That said my priority would still be to bring in a LB and RB.

whatawaster

Ins:
Lallana £20m
Lambert £5m
Markovic £20m
Origi £10m
Can £10m
Lovren £20m

Total £85m

Outs:
Suarez £75m
Origi LOAN
Wisdom LOAN

Total £75m

Net spend £10m

Squad

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Mignolet/Jones

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Johnson/Flanagan

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Enrique/Robinson

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Lovren/Skrtel/Toure----Sakho/Agger/Ilori

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Gerrard/Lucas

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Henderson/Allen/Can

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Coutinho/Lallana/Suso

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---Sterling/Ibe

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Markovic/Borini--

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Sturridge/Lambert

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A lot of depth and plenty of quality there, but we need 1) a striker, 2) a fullback and 3) a sub goalkeeper.

We have enough depth to cover injuries everywhere except fullback imo. We need another body in there, Flanno's flexibility will help us a lot with so many games coming up.

There is a lot of flexibility there in attacking positions with players able to fulfil different roles, but I still think we will struggle if Sturridge is out.

With possibly Borini, Agger and Assaidi to leave we could soon be at a zero net spend level.

You'd hope there is room for a 20/30/40 million attacking player. Who though?

Harry Palmr

Parish notice - not for discussion.

Lost another one, the good news is that another one is due back soon.

Daemonic

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Parish notice - not for discussion.

Lost another one, the good news is that another one is due back soon.

Right bunch of Suarez's in this place with the number of suspensions that are being picked up.

RainMaker

Daemonic wrote: »

Right bunch of Suarez's in this place with the number of suspensions that are being picked up.

People need to be more careful!
There's only 2.5 weeks to the new season!!

We'll have nobody to start match threads at this rate, they will end up being started by Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal fans! Is that what you really want? Is it???

googled eyes

The Mail online ( I know) claims Borini's move is ON

Vanolder

googled eyes wrote: »

The Mail online ( I know) claims Borini's move is ON

Great. Is it still 14m?? That's stupid money from them.

googled eyes

Vanolder wrote: »

Great. Is it still 14m?? That's stupid money from them.

Dunno, being the Mail I didn't go much deeper than the headline :pac:

Agent Coulson

Vanolder wrote: »

Great. Is it still 14m?? That's stupid money from them.

Yes It looks like that was the agreed price and still is.

However, the 23-year-old travelled with Liverpool to America for their pre-season tour only to suffer a shoulder injury and return to the UK for treatment.

He has since spoken to Sunderland although his injury is a complicating factor.

As, too, is Liverpool’s decision not to sign QPR frontman Loic Remy after he failed a medical at the weekend and manager Brendan Rodgers says Borini’s situation has an impact on their pursuit of another forward.

Sunderland boss Gus Poyet, meanwhile, is keen to bring the Italy international back to Wearside but will not allow the proposed deal to drag on beyond the start of the season.

jasonb

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Sending Origi back to Lille is the right decision. He's raw - let him have another year in a comfortable environment at a decent level where he gets played regularly.

That leaves us needing a striker though however...

Yep, that's the problem, isn't it. I think Origi is a good buy and could work out well for us in the future, but I'd feel a lot better about buying him and loaning him back if we didn't have a need for another striker right now! Not that I think he could fill that role this season, but it's just a bit 'meh' that we need a striker, and we buy one for the future.

That said, while the club couldn't have known that Remy would have failed the medical, I'm sure they'll do their best to come up with a replacement, or make the most out of what we have.

J.

martyos121

If we're looking for a striker, Ameobi and Bendtner are available...

5live

martyos121 wrote: »

If we're looking for a striker, Ameobi and Bendtner are available...

I wonder why...:D

whatawaster

jasonb wrote: »

but it's just a bit 'meh' that we need a striker, and we buy one for the future.

I think it's great. If we'd had this regime in the past we have signed the likes of Walcott, Ramsey or Bale. As it was we couldn't compete for those players because things were too tight.

punk_one82

whatawaster wrote: »

A lot of depth and plenty of quality there, but we need 1) a striker, 2) a fullback and 3) a sub goalkeeper.

You didn't include Reina in the Outs section or in the squad.

jasonb

whatawaster wrote: »

I think it's great. If we'd had this regime in the past we have signed the likes of Walcott, Ramsey or Bale. As it was we couldn't compete for those players because things were too tight.

That's a good point and don't get me wrong, it's definitely good to buy for the future. It just jars a bit when we also need to buy for now, if you know what I mean?

Of course, this has all become an issue due to the failed medical, otherwise it wouldn't be an issue at all. So it's hardly bad planning on the club's side of things or anything like that.

J.

whatawaster

punk_one82 wrote: »

You didn't include Reina in the Outs section or in the squad.

Or Assaidi.

They seem to be in some kind of limbo. It's pretty clear that Reina is not considered part of the squad though. Jones has had all the game time so far.

martyos121

5live wrote: »

I wonder why...:D

Must be because Rodgers is unsure of their leaning ability.
Can't think of any other reason...

murpho999

Looking at the interview with Rodgers that Daithijjj posted, and he spoke of speaking to players and they have to have the right attitude.

I wonder if Rodgers pulled the plug on the Remy deal due to something he didn't like in him and the medical is just a smokescreen.

jasonb

murpho999 wrote: »

Looking at the interview with Rodgers that Daithijjj posted, and he spoke of speaking to players and they have to have the right attitude.

I wonder if Rodgers pulled the plug on the Remy deal due to something he didn't like in him and the medical is just a smokescreen.

The thing about saying someone failed a medical though is that you'd imagine that they'd have to say why (at least to the Player / other Club). They can't just say 'nah, he didn't get it'. It's too scientific to just make up a reason to fail. At least, that's how I'd imagine it, but I know feck all about this really!

J.

Agent Coulson

murpho999 wrote: »

Looking at the interview with Rodgers that Daithijjj posted, and he spoke of speaking to players and they have to have the right attitude.

I wonder if Rodgers pulled the plug on the Remy deal due to something he didn't like in him and the medical is just a smokescreen.

If the manager did that I would lose a lot of respect for him to taint a players career like that would be a disgrace of the highest order.

googled eyes

Atletico have an agreement with Bakkali after LFC couldn't agree to £2m and a packet of bacon fries

murpho999

jasonb wrote: »

The thing about saying someone failed a medical though is that you'd imagine that they'd have to say why (at least to the Player / other Club). They can't just say 'nah, he didn't get it'. It's too scientific to just make up a reason to fail. At least, that's how I'd imagine it, but I know feck all about this really!

J.

Agent Coulson wrote: »

If the manager did that I would lose a lot of respect for him to taint a players career like that would be a disgrace of the highest order.

Well in fairness neither Rodgers or the club have publically stated that he failed the medical.

rob316

I haven't read a single quote from Rodgers that he said Remy failed a medical or anyone to do with the club for that matter, its all speculation.

Harry Palmr

murpho999 wrote: »

Looking at the interview with Rodgers that Daithijjj posted, and he spoke of speaking to players and they have to have the right attitude.

I wonder if Rodgers pulled the plug on the Remy deal due to something he didn't like in him and the medical is just a smokescreen.

This is hugely unhelpful speculation, sort of thing Harry Redknapp would suggest.

DrumSteve

Would it worthwhile keeping reina around?

Augmerson

DrumSteve wrote: »

Would it worthwhile keeping reina around?

I think so but it's the wages he is on that is prohibitive.

Chip Whitley

DrumSteve wrote: »

Would it worthwhile keeping reina around?

Be handy if we could give him some time in preseason to see!

Morzadec

jasonb wrote: »

That's a good point and don't get me wrong, it's definitely good to buy for the future. It just jars a bit when we also need to buy for now, if you know what I mean?

Of course, this has all become an issue due to the failed medical, otherwise it wouldn't be an issue at all. So it's hardly bad planning on the club's side of things or anything like that.

J.

I understand what you're saying, but as I said yesterday we are in a position where we can invest in the future in a big way (10m is a lot for a 19 year old with little football under his belt even in this market) yet still have more than enough funds to strengthen the first team. One is not hindered by the other - for once we're in the relatively luxurious position of being able to do both, partly because of superb squad building by Rodgers/the unexpected rise of players like Sterling, Flanagan, even Henderson and partly because of the Suarez money.

Signing Origi will have no bearing on our budget or activity in strengthening the first team. I am pretty confident we will make the signing required in the attacking area once the right target is identified.

Milkers

Agent Coulson wrote: »

If the manager did that I would lose a lot of respect for him to taint a players career like that would be a disgrace of the highest order.

If.

murpho999

Harry Palmr wrote: »

This is hugely unhelpful speculation, sort of thing Harry Redknapp would suggest.

Well it's what the media said as soon as it came out. This stuff gets 'leaked' unofficially all the time.

Harry Palmr

murpho999 wrote: »

Well it's what the media said as soon as it came out. This stuff gets 'leaked' unofficially all the time.

and you believe the football media all the time I take it? Or are you directly accusing the club of undermining Remy?

jasonb

murpho999 wrote: »

Well in fairness neither Rodgers or the club have publically stated that he failed the medical.

I didn't realise this. Rodgers has said publically that the deal is off though, hasn't he? I wonder what changed, as clearly the club wanted Remy.

Morzadec wrote: »

Signing Origi will have no bearing on our budget or activity in strengthening the first team. I am pretty confident we will make the signing required in the attacking area once the right target is identified.

As would I be, I have a lot of faith in the Club and how it's being run. I'm just a little worried that the Striker need was going to be filled by Remy, and now, for whatever reason, that isn't going to happen, so the Club have to go to Plan B (which to be fair to them, they probably have decided on, just in case).

Don't worry, I'm not in a meltdown or anything like that!

J.

murpho999

Harry Palmr wrote: »

and you believe the football media all the time I take it? Or are you directly accusing the club of undermining Remy?

What are you getting at?

When it came out that the deal was off it was all over the media about the medical but nothing was said by the club.

I'm not accusing anybody of anything not that a poster on an internet forum is that important.

Harry Palmr

murpho999 wrote: »

What are you getting at?

When it came out that the deal was off it was all over the media about the medical but nothing was said by the club.

I'm not accusing anybody of anything not that a poster on an internet forum is that important.

No, but it might tell us what you think about the club/Rodgers.

garra

Harry Palmr wrote: »

No, but it might tell us what you think about the club/Rodgers.

You need to get some Park Life mate, chill out to fack.

It's perfectly reasonable to muse about the possible reasons as to why the Remy deal was scrapped, and does not need to incur your boorish "defence" of the manager's motives. Whether or not the club have "steered" the media in the direction of the failed medical is academic to us, there could have been a number of reasons why the deal was scuppered (eg attitude of player / wage demands / agent wants a hefty bonus / etc) and if the press want to sell rags by making up a failed medical story then it is not LFC's job to correct them either way.
Also, and this for me is the ironic thing.. If the deal fell through because of the player's attitude and Rodgers had come out and stated that reason, it would be a hell of a lot more damning for the player's future chances of securing a contract with a top club than LFC not disputing a made up "failed medical" story.

Kerrigooney

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Parish notice - not for discussion.

Lost another one, the good news is that another one is due back soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KL9mRus19o

Kess73

murpho999 wrote: »

Well it's what the media said as soon as it came out. This stuff gets 'leaked' unofficially all the time.

The main rumour doing the rounds in the UK seems to be that Willie McKay struck again, and that is why the move fell apart.


A google search on some of Mr McKay's finest moments and his shared history with the likes of Harry Redknapp makes for some interesting reading, and shows how much of an impact agents can have

Beasty

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Parish notice - not for discussion.

Lost another one, the good news is that another one is due back soon.

If you wish to discuss modding matters PM the mods. Dispute threads are not up for discussion, and the mention of them here is not acceptable

Kerrigooney

Kess73 wrote: »

The main rumour doing the rounds in the UK seems to be that Willie McKay struck again, and that is why the move fell apart.


A google search on some of Mr McKay's finest moments and his shared history with the likes of Harry Redknapp makes for some interesting reading, and shows how much of an impact agents can have

Was he trying to get more money at the end or what?

murpho999

Harry Palmr wrote: »

No, but it might tell us what you think about the club/Rodgers.

I really don't know what you're getting it.

Look for my old posts to see my views on the club.

I was just saying that I don't really believe that Remy really failed a medical for the deal to fall through

Underpaid Mike

Dejan Lovren has been unable to join his new Liverpool team-mates in the U.S after failing to obtain a visa in time. (Mail)

Lovren: "I will train with the U-21 team in Liverpool. Brendan Rodgers will send a program for me to practice."

Hope this doesnt hold his pre season back in any way

Underpaid Mike

Todays Sunderland Echo, looks like Borini deal is inevitable. Thank God

SUNDERLAND have held talks with Fabio Borini, although the Liverpool frontman’s future is being held up by his shoulder injury.

It is approaching a fortnight since Sunderland had a £14million bid accepted by Liverpool for former loanee Borini, who returned early to the UK from Liverpool’s pre-season tour of America at the weekend for treatment on a shoulder problem.

Gus Poyet watched his words carefully when asked about Borini here in Portugal last night.

But the Sunderland boss confirmed that the club have now held discussions with Borini himself and indicated that the Black Cats are still hopeful of signing the 23-year-old.

Poyet said: “He is being assessed now for his shoulder injury. That’s stopped everything a little bit.

“We will see. I have not held talks with him, but the club has, although that’s private.

“We know where we stand.”

While Poyet is maintaining faith that Sunderland can sign Borini, it seems to be the case that the Black Cats’ interest in fellow ex-loanee Marcos Alonso has lessened significantly since the signing of left-back Patrick van Aanholt.

Alonso has been Sunderland’s main target to fill the problematic left-back void throughout the summer, but with Fiorentina holding out for more money for the Spaniard, the Black Cats turned their attentions to ex-Chelsea man van Aanholt.

Sunderland’s focus now is on signing a versatile full-back, rather than another specialist left-back.

“If you asked me before pre-season started, if I wanted two left footed left-backs, I would have said no,” said Poyet.

“Now if Alonso becomes on loan for free then we would probably take him. We need another full-back, the idea is one who can play right and left or with Billy (Jones) covering.”

On van Aanholt, he added: “It’s easy to bring in players who you know personally and you know what you are going to get.

“Patrick needs to get used to plenty of things that we do, nothing difficult but he needs to get used to it.

“But I am so happy to have him here.”

garra

Kess73 wrote: »

The main rumour doing the rounds in the UK seems to be that Willie McKay struck again, and that is why the move fell apart.


A google search on some of Mr McKay's finest moments and his shared history with the likes of Harry Redknapp makes for some interesting reading, and shows how much of an impact agents can have

Looking at the illustrious names on McKay's books, perhaps we have dodged a bullet with Remy's "failed medical"... Joey Barton and El Hadji Diouf to name but 2 of the biggest trouble-making spitting & punching foul-mouthed vindictive little tw&rps you could hope to see lining up for you.
It says something about a player that he would be attracted to an agent like McKay imo.

Mickalus

One of the things that stood out for me when Rodgers was talking about the collapse of the Remy deal, was how he said it was unfortunate for the player, and they were disappointed for Remy, but he DIDN'T say anything about how he himself (Rodgers) or the club were disappointed about the deal falling apart....

Kess73

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Was he trying to get more money at the end or what?

Is all speculation/rumour of course, but the chatter seems to be that there was extra money (wages/lump sums) and/or more changes to the contract looked for.



The chatter suggests that a bigger slice for an agent and a hefty six figure weekly wage for the player were sought after the original terms were agreed upon.

Some demands are supposedly been made with regards to playing time and the like.


But is all in the realms of rumour and gossip right now, but have to admit that the pieces do seem to fit quite easily when past track records get looked into a little bit.

Underpaid Mike

Valbuena set to join Dinamo Moscow for £10m
Can cross that off our list now too