Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP 28/8

Francie Barrett

I don't understand why people are humming and hawing about this one. You've all been complaining about Suarez not being replaced. Here, we're talking about bringing in a truly world class striker. I really think he'd be a star in our team.

Harry Palmr

Monaco look like they are going to follow Anzhi, Malaga, Blackburn Rvs, Reading etc in a long list of clubs raised and felled by flaky owners.

Vinz Mesrine

If Falcao is available you bloody sign him, money shouldn't be even taken into consideration.

Agent Coulson

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Monaco look like they are going to follow Anzhi, Malaga, Blackburn Rvs, Reading etc in a long list of clubs raised and felled by flaky owners.

There owner has to pay out 3 Billion in a divorce settlement.

No wonder he wants Falcao out.

Agent Coulson

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

If Falcao is available you bloody sign him, money shouldn't be even taken into consideration.

H & G's ownership of the club say otherwise.

K-9

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I don't understand why people are humming and hawing about this one. You've all been complaining about Suarez not being replaced. Here, we're talking about bringing in a truly world class striker. I really think he'd be a star in our team.

If the club think they can afford him I don't see the problem at all, and I'd tend to be cautious with stuff like this!

The Sahin loan fee IIRC was £2 Million but there was rumours it was about £5 Million.

rob316

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I don't understand why people are humming and hawing about this one. You've all been complaining about Suarez not being replaced. Here, we're talking about bringing in a truly world class striker. I really think he'd be a star in our team.

This

10m loan fee plus 10m in wages for a world class striker, its a lot of money but his impact over one season would far outweigh what Eto'o or Bony could ever do for us.

If he can keep us up there challenging for the season and retain CL qualification he is worth every penny.

You are talking about one of the most natural goal scorers I have ever seen, an absolute superstar joining our squad. If a deal can be done I hope the club make it happen. They would understand the cost of any deal before even enquiring so its more about convincing the player is the sticking point IMO. None of this has been denied by the club so far so it gives me hope.

Knex*

Said it a few weeks back, the deal makes sense to me.

Augmerson

Agent Coulson wrote: »

There owner has to pay out 3 Billion in a divorce settlement.

Jesus H Christ, 3 billion!?

Harry Palmr wrote:

Monaco look like they are going to follow Anzhi, Malaga, Blackburn Rvs, Reading etc in a long list of clubs raised and felled by flaky owners.

I think the Blackburn owner passed away so maybe doesn't deserve to be included amongst the likes of Anzhi and Malaga.

rob316

Knex. wrote: »

Said it a few weeks back, the deal makes sense to me.

With FFP there is a short list of clubs who can afford a £200k a week striker also, us been one of them.

Bringing Eto'o in on 135k a week would cause much more problems than bringing in Falcao on 200k per week, the squad would recognise the level of quality he would bring for that sort of wage. Eto'o would simply be back up been paid twice what our first choice striker is.

Dickerty

Nice stuff Sterling!

Incidently, I suggested us going in for Berahino towards the end of last season, when he was at odds with some of the players there...

redzerdrog

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

If Falcao is available you bloody sign him, money shouldn't be even taken into consideration.

But but but we don't need a striker

Super-Rush

redzerdrog wrote: »

But but but we don't need a striker

Falcao as a DM?

Dickerty

rob316 wrote: »

Bringing Eto'o in on 135k a week would cause much more problems than bringing in Falcao on 200k per week, the squad would recognise the level of quality he would bring for that sort of wage. Eto'o would simply be back up been paid twice what our first choice striker is.

I agree on the sentiment, but I suspect we wouldn't give Eto'o more than half of that. And Falcao would have a loan fee as well. So it's many times more for this season.

However, in terms of what he should bring, I don't we'd get to May and say "That was a waste of money"...

Daemonic

Harry Palmr wrote: »

... premier league roundup thingie...

9 tackles by Wanyama and 19 clearances by Skrtel sum up the match quite well. Bullied in midfield and panic stations at the back for much of it.

billy2012

Sign Falcao and we are in with a chance of winning the league IMO.

Gerrard deserves it, could well be his last season as a guaranteed starter.

spockety

billy2012 wrote: »

Sign Falcao and we are in with a chance of winning the league IMO.

Gerrard deserves it, could well be his last season as a guaranteed starter.

I think that may have been last season...

Dickerty

Super-Rush wrote: »

Falcao as a DM?

And Reus at LB!

Simples...

Gbear

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I don't understand why people are humming and hawing about this one. You've all been complaining about Suarez not being replaced. Here, we're talking about bringing in a truly world class striker. I really think he'd be a star in our team.

It's the question about whether you should get a brilliant player if he's available and worry about trying to sort the tactics out later.

If we sign a CF either we're discommoding Sturridge and playing in a formation that the manager would rather not play with or else we have an expensive player not giving any value to the team by sitting on the bench. That seems to rule players like Bony out out of hand - they're certainly not good enough to be worth the hassle.

With the sheer quality of a Falcao or a Cavani it's a much tougher decision. Does that quality outweigh them not being the optimum age, not playing in the position that we need and the massive cost?

billy2012

spockety wrote: »

I think that may have been last season...

I don't...Think most people with any KOP on would agree!!

Did you see him 2nd half of the season?? Quality!!

8-10

4th place is not a guarantee this year by a long way. The ideal situation we could be in is the Arsenal of a few years back, building a stadium for extra revenue and still finishing top 4 every year, I hate them but they did it very very well.

If £20m would get us Falcao for a year on top of the increased commercial revenue, Suarez money, and TV money, I think it's very good business. He shouldn't be compared to what else we could do with £20m, he should be compared to the likelihood of getting top 4 THIS season to ensure another CL entry so as to keep everything ticking over as the stadium gets expanded.

I think there's few players out there available who would genuinely make a difference between Liverpool being a top 4 maybe-candidate and a top 4 likely-candidate. With him in the squad I'd be disappointed with 5th.

It's a gamble. I'd rather gamble the £20m now to help get over the line in terms of another year of CL football than gamble with what we have on the books right now in order to save the £20m this year.

I in no way think signing Falcao is likely, I'm just saying I'm not agreeing with the arguments that it's a bad deal at that price. Yes if we got a good striker on a long term contract for £20m total it would be better, however don't underestimate the opportunity presented by being a CL football club. It was tough and long road to get there, even harder to keep qualifying year on year. For this year at least, I'd rather a £20m Falcao than a £9 Remy

Agent Coulson

Augmerson wrote: »

Jesus H Christ, 3 billion!?

£2.7b, €3.4b or $4.5b the worlds biggest divorce settlement.

http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/20/as-monaco-owner-ordered-to-pay-4-5-billion-in-most-expensive-divorce-in-history/

Dickerty

Agent Coulson wrote: »

£2.7b, €3.4b or $4.5b the worlds biggest divorce settlement.

http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/20/as-monaco-owner-ordered-to-pay-4-5-billion-in-most-expensive-divorce-in-history/

So in a way, his ex wife is paying half of Falcao's salary!

Dont be at yourself

If the €20m includes wages, and there's a clause to cancel the deal in case of serious injury, then the Falcao thing is a no-brainer. As was said, factor in the yearly cost of the transfer fee of similar player over a 5-year deal, and we're doing quite well.

Still, I think as soon as Madrid shift Di Maria, they'll swoop for him so all will be for naught.

BenEadir

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

If Falcao is available you bloody sign him, money shouldn't be even taken into consideration.

^^^ And that is exactly the attitude which leads to Leeds/Blackburn/Portsmouth type financial meltdowns.

Money can never ever be ignored. Thankfully we are in safe hands with FSG.

I don't know what's worse, the Falcao rumours or the people believing it

Francie Barrett

BenThere wrote: »

^^^ And that is exactly the attitude which leads to Leeds/Blackburn/Portsmouth type financial meltdowns.

Money can never ever be ignored. Thankfully we are in safe hands with FSG.

The kind of financial outlay we're talking about here isn't massive in the context of the extra money from CL football and the Suarez transfer.

Francie Barrett

rarnes1 wrote: »

I don't know what's worse, the Falcao rumours or the people believing it

There's a lot of rubbish being posted, but this is one of the rumours that does actually make sense given the current situation and where these rumours appear to have been emanating.

Kess73

Still think that one from Higuain or Walcott is the target now, with Eto'o as the fall back.


My own preferences are at Bayer and Dortmund though.

Kess73

Kess73 wrote: »

Still think that one from Higuain or Walcott is the target now, with Eto'o as the fall back.


My own preferences are at Bayer and Dortmund though.

Walcott? No way Arsenal would sell him to us!

Augmerson

rarnes1 wrote: »

Walcott? No way Arsenal would sell him to us!

For the right price. 30m sterling.


And 1 pound.

Kess73

rarnes1 wrote: »

Walcott? No way Arsenal would sell him to us!

They have shown that they have no problem selling players to direct rivals when the price is right.

Chelsea
Man City
Man U


Agger plus cash going to Arsenal or Napoli in exchange for Walcott or Higuain? Not beyond the bounds.

Underpaid Mike

Kess73 wrote: »

They have shown that they have no problem selling players to direct rivals when the price is right.

Chelsea
Man City
Man U


Agger plus cash going to Arsenal or Napoli in exchange for Walcott or Higuain? Not beyond the bounds.

Napoli also interested in Lucas
Lucas & Agger + 5-10m for Higuain, yes please! All day long

Kess73

Kess73 wrote: »

They have shown that they have no problem selling players to direct rivals when the price is right.

Chelsea
Man City
Man U


Agger plus cash going to Arsenal or Napoli in exchange for Walcott or Higuain? Not beyond the bounds.

I'd be shocked if they sold to us after the Suarez debacle.

Agent Coulson

As I said eariler depending on Napoli getting into or not getting into the CL I could see deals involving Agger & Lucas and then maybe Higuain coming this way.

Kess73

rarnes1 wrote: »

I'd be shocked if they sold to us after the Suarez debacle.

Think if Arsenal are willing to sell a player, then past dealings with a club does not come into it with them.

They have had no problems dealing with Barca over the years despite all the crap that came with the Fabergas move.

Kess73

Kess73 wrote: »

Think if Arsenal are willing to sell a player, then past dealings with a club does not come into it with them.

They have had no problems dealing with Barca over the years despite all the crap that came with the Fabergas move.

Fair enough but I'd still be gobsmacked if it signed him.

He's certainly fit our setup though, that's for sure

Kess73

rarnes1 wrote: »

Fair enough but I'd still be gobsmacked if it signed him.

He's certainly fit our setup though, that's for sure

Would be surprised myself, and he would not be cheap. Think he would be a nice fit for us alright.

BenEadir

Kess73 wrote: »

They have shown that they have no problem selling players to direct rivals when the price is right.

Chelsea
Man City
Man U


Agger plus cash going to Arsenal or Napoli in exchange for Walcott or Higuain? Not beyond the bounds.

Will Walcott be fit enough to pass a medical by the end of the month? I thought he was still out injured after tearing his ACL and even if he is just about ready to play I'd still be concerned that the injury may have robbed him of some pace and Walcott without that out and out speed would be a very different player.

Harry Palmr

U21s akshun tonight 7 pm



Liverpool U21s line-up v Sunderland : Ward, Randall, Stewart, Jones, Williams, Rossiter, McLaughlin, Lussey, Peterson, Brannagan, Ojo

subs Maguire, Vigouroux, Wilson, Trickett Smith, Yesil

two right backs playing! I'm going to assume McLaughlin is playing a the wide right attacker.

Kess73

BenThere wrote: »

Will Walcott be fit enough to pass a medical by the end of the month? I thought he was still out injured after tearing his ACL and even if he is just about ready to play I'd still be concerned that the injury may have robbed him of some pace and Walcott without that out and out speed would be a very different player.

Actually I had totally forgotten he was injured and what his injury was. A bad ACL injury can be ruin the mobility and pace of a slower paced player let alone a speed merchant like Walcott.

Iused2likebusts

Walcott would be a perfect signing but not a hope of it happening.

Agent Coulson

Higuain as a 1 in 2 goal scorer who has done at every level and still only 26 it would be very hard to turn down if a deal can be done.

He may not have the greatest of pace but he is a born goal scorer and a clever player who could fit into our team.

Kess73

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Higuain as a 1 in 2 goal scorer who has done at every level and still only 26 it would be very hard to turn down if a deal can be done.

He may not have the greatest of pace but he is a born goal scorer and a clever player who could fit into our team.

I reckon that he is a quality goalscorer, and do believe that he may be a target, but I cannot help but think that he is not versatile enough a player for Rodgers.


Am hoping that if we buy a quality forward this window, that we get one that can play when Sturridge is out, but who is also capable of playing in the same team as Sturridge be it as a second sriker or as a wide forward.

tok9

I thought the Falcao boat had sailed. Didn't James Pearce already say we were told he's not for sale.

Kess, why do you say Higuan? Just curious as again, he's another player who only joined a year ago. Would just seem odd for him to move so quick and if I remember right he cost a nice bit too.

Kess73

tok9 wrote: »

I thought the Falcao boat had sailed. Didn't James Pearce already say we were told he's not for sale.

Kess, why do you say Higuan? Just curious as again, he's another player who only joined a year ago. Would just seem odd for him to move so quick and if I remember right he cost a nice bit too.

Just seen and heard his name pop up a lot amongst folks who I pay attention to.


As for him being there a year, well Lovern was only a year at Southampton so such moves do happen from time to time.

Agent Coulson

Kess73 wrote: »

I reckon that he is a quality goalscorer, and do believe that he may be a target, but I cannot help but think that he is not versatile enough a player for Rodgers.


Am hoping that if we buy a quality forward this window, that we get one that can play when Sturridge is out, but who is also capable of playing in the same team as Sturridge be it as a second sriker or as a wide forward.

Sturridge does deserve to be the number striker but he is a very versatile himself who can/could have the freerole play around Higuain being down the middle.

If Higuain does happen to join it may take them a couple of games to get an understanding of each others run and lines but I think they are both clever enough to manage it.

Of all the strikers we have been linked with Higuain might be the easiest to get if Napoli get knocked out of the CL.

Fescue

He didn't have a great game against United, albeit he did play a big part in both goals, but Bony is still the most realistic target for me. I have a feeling he'll drop his wage demands and the deal will get done before the window shuts.

Fescue

'I am quite an intelligent guy,' he says. 'I talk with my team-mates, my friends. They know I am strong and that if they put it in the right place I will get there. I am not a running player, running right and left.

'I like to use my power.'

Wilfried Bony.

Knex*

"I'm a lazy bollocks"