Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP 28/8

Underpaid Mike

dogbert27 wrote: »

They want Ilori if Hummels goes to United. If it screws up United's transfer plans then I say don't loan!!

On the other hand it could be part of the Reus deal!!

Because Hummels is for sale is the conclusion everyone will make ?

Harry Palmr

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

What ever happened to all the rumours about Will Hughes last January ?
People were raving about him and what he could be
Now it seems that its completely gone

New deal at Derby

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Ilori on a season long loan to Dortmund is out there now.


Let the conspiracy theorists take it from there :pac:



The Mirror not twitter.

whatawaster wrote: »

Why on earth would we loan Ilori to Dortmund? Surely the point of a loan is to get him as much first team experience as possible, and they have Hummels and Subotic

The story (which I mentioned last night) is that Ilori goes on loan to Dortmund thus allowing Hummels to leave for Utd for 20m. There is so much wrong with that its hard to know where to start!

Cartman78

Cjs21 wrote: »

How is this in any way news.

Coutinho T-Shirt

Almost as bad as this

smileyj1987

redzerdrog wrote: »

Liability or not, johnson is still currently our best rb some of the comments here about him are pathetic tbh

I'm sorry but that's a no , the bloke is a liability and shouldn't be anywhere near the team .

DDC1990

Cartman78 wrote: »

Almost as bad as this

That link is staying unclicked :P

Fescue

Reading all the bull**** on Twitter is painful enough without reading more of it in here!

We should have a filter for this thread.

flanzer

Fescue wrote: »

Reading all the bull**** on Twitter is painful enough without reading more of it in here!

We should have a filter for this thread.

Yes, the thread should be renamed to Liverpool Team Talk/Gospel/Leaning pics Thread 2014

Fescue

http://www.freebets.org.uk/blog/how-liverpool-can-adapt-to-suarez-departure

Interesting pice from Michael Cox of Zonal Marking.

Jamie Carragher has backed Daniel Sturridge to have another fine goalscoring campaign, and believes he might thrive without Suarez. “I felt at times that Suarez bullied him a little bit,” he told The Anfield Wrap earlier this week. “I know with strikers there’s sometimes a little bit of a jealousy thing there, if someone’s scoring. I felt for him at times. I think he got the rough end of the stick with him and Suarez. I’m not saying they never got on, but they both wanted to be the main man scoring. Now there’s no doubt he’s the man.”

D'Agger

Fescue wrote: »

Reading all the bull**** on Twitter is painful enough without reading more of it in here!

We should have a filter for this thread.

Filter out posts moaning about twitter too and we'll be laughing

Fescue

D'Agger wrote: »

Filter out posts moaning about twitter too and we'll be laughing

If we can filter out posts moaning about people moaning about Twitter we'll be set.

Kimbot

Fescue wrote: »

http://www.freebets.org.uk/blog/how-liverpool-can-adapt-to-suarez-departure

Interesting pice from Michael Cox of Zonal Marking.

One thing about Sturridge last season was Suarez could have played him in numerous times but chose to go alone and more often than not Suarez didnt score those chances. I have faith that if Sturridge was passed to even 50% of those times he would have stuck it in the back of the net so we will see alot more from him this season.

D'Agger

Fescue wrote: »

If we can filter out posts moaning about people moaning about Twitter we'll be set.

Once every possibility is covered I'm happy

brevity

Carra should shut up with that sort of stuff...it's embarrassing for all involved.

Fescue

brevity wrote: »

Carra should shut up with that sort of stuff...it's embarrassing for all involved.

I get his point. I definitely think Sturridge will be better up front by himself, as the focus of the attack, rather than with someone else.

dogbert27

jonny24ie wrote: »

One thing about Sturridge last season was Suarez could have played him in numerous times but chose to go alone and more often than not Suarez didnt score those chances. I have faith that if Sturridge was passed to even 50% of those times he would have stuck it in the back of the net so we will see alot more from him this season.

I'm thinking along those lines that more faith needs to be shown with Sturridge.

I'm wondering what it would do to the guys confidence if we go out and buy a big name striker to go immediately into the team.

That's why I liked the link to Lacazette. He's not a big name who will over shadow Sturridge but looks the business when we need him.

Underpaid Mike

Good read on our new left back (hopefully)

Alberto Moreno vs. Jose Enrique: Could this Liverpool target address Brendan Rodgers big problem?
By Jack WatsonPosted on August 1, 2014
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Liverpool are close to signing Alberto Moreno from Sevilla, according to reports, which all but confirms Brendan Rodgers is looking for an upgrade at left-back in order to improve on last season’s embarrassing defensive displays, which saw the Reds conceded 50 Premier League goals.

Liverpool, of course, finished second in the division, just behind Manchester City and were fantastic in attack, scoring 101 goals. It was the defence that ultimately cost them the title, though, and Rodgers has clearly set about improving that through signing centre back Dejan Lovren from Southampton. Meanwhile, the Reds are close to wrapping up deals for Atletico Madrid Javier Manquillo, as well as the aforementioned Moreno from Sevilla.

Manquillo, 20, will likely arrive on a two-year loan and could compete with naturally right-sided Jon Flanagan to address Glen Johnson’s alarming decline over the past 18 months, while Moreno will almost certainly start at left-back.


Moreno made 29 La Liga appearances last season.
Moreno has been a regular for Sevilla over the past couple of years and playing a starring role in their Europa League triumph last season. He will cost the Reds around £16 million and should slot straight in at left-back on the opening weekend of the season against Southampton – should he sign before.

However, with Rodgers having spent heavily on improving the squad, and having chased Moreno for so long, is he right to look at the Spaniard while he already has a now match-fit Jose Enrique?

The Spaniard has declined, like Johnson, over the past year and only appeared eight times in the Premier League last season after a strange knee injury sidelined him for the vast majority of the campaign.

He wasn’t fantastic in his last full season in 2012-13, either, but having returned to full fitness, it is only fair to compare him to the player being bought in as his replacement.

So, how much of an improvement is Moreno on Enrique?

Moreno played 29 games in La Liga last season, the same number Enrique managed in England during 12/13 and their statistics are quite similar in some areas.

This is not the case in one particular area, though. The Defence Performance Score, averaged out over 90 minutes, is vastly greater in Enrique’s favour. He averaged 14.46 while Moreno was sat at a paltry 2.85 last season.

This could say a couple of things, though: either Moreno didn’t need to defend as much so scored fewer points, or his defending last season was poor. That Moreno transitioned from a winger to a full-back during his development could also represent a key factor.

One way to shed more light, though, could be to take a look at the rest of his defensive statistics.

Only Federico Fazio (88) performed more interceptions than Moreno (73) at Sevilla last season. Moreno’s figure is actually more than double Enrique’s (35) from the 2012-13 season.



Moreno actually cut out one more opposition pass than Sergio Ramos last season.

Enrique was stronger tackling in this comparison, though. He averaged 2.43 successful tackles in 12-13, much more than Moreno (1.42) and even won 75% of his tackles that season, compared to Moreno’s poor 40%.


Could Moreno be the answer to solve Liverpool’s problems at left-back?
He also failed in fewer tackles, averaging just 0.8 per 90 mins in that regard, while Moreno lost 2.16 in La Liga last season. However, in terms of aerial duels, Moreno came out on top despite his smaller stature. He won an average of 0.9 headed duels last season, while Enrique’s average stood at just 0.52.

One thing Enrique has always been criticised for is his lack of ability on the ball and moving forward. He plays the odd decent pass but Moreno’s passing accuracy of 79% is just better than the Liverpool man (76%).

The 22-year-old also completed more take-ons per 90 minutes last season, averaging 1.23 compared to Enrique’s 1.2.

In truth, there isn’t a lot to separate to the two players. Enrique was much better tackling, but Moreno dominated in interceptions, headed duels and just edged his fellow Spaniard out in terms of passing and take-ons.

It must be taken into account also that Enrique has declined since the 12-13 season and is not at the level he was then. Moreno would be a strong addition to the Liverpool side and could solve what is arguably the key issue within Liverpool’s squad. With age on his side, what’s more, Moreno can progress and improve under Brendan Rodgers.

Agent Coulson

Fescue wrote: »

I get his point. I definitely think Sturridge will be better up front by himself, as the focus of the attack, rather than with someone else.

Or he won't have someone to motivate him to be a better player and he will just drop back a level.

Fescue

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Or he won't have someone to motivate him to be a better player and he will just drop back a level.

No, that's not plausible. Strikers want goals, he'll probably look at this season as an opportunity to score even more.

Agent Coulson

Fescue wrote: »

No, that's not plausible. Strikers want goals, he'll probably look at this season as an opportunity to score even more.

It's very plausible.

It may not happen but it is very plausible there are plenty of strikers in the history of the game once they lost their striking partner never matched the same heights again.

Fescue

Agent Coulson wrote: »

It's very plausible.

It may not happen but it is very plausible there are plenty of strikers in the history of the game once they lost their striking partner never matched the same highs again.

Such as...

D'Agger

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Or he won't have someone to motivate him to be a better player and he will just drop back a level.

Possible....but I think Sturridge has shown how serious he is about being a really great striker. His workrate & mentality have been spot on since he joined.

amber69

Suarez is a big loss but I believe that barring injury Sturridge will score 20 plus goals this season

dogbert27

Agent Coulson wrote: »

It's very plausible.

It may not happen but it is very plausible there are plenty of strikers in the history of the game once they lost their striking partner never matched the same heights again.

I get what you're saying but I don't really think Suarez and Sturridge were a partnership.

I mean, how many of each others goals did they actually set up for each other?

And Sturridge was doing great at the start of last season when Suarez was out.

When Suarez came back Sturridge got injured for a number of weeks.

brevity

Or all the focus will be on him now and defenders will be able to mark him more closely.

They both have their greedy streaks but to say that Sturridge wont miss a player like Suarez is all sorts of wrong.

Luckycharms_74

rarnes1 wrote: »

Two weeks tomorrow!

Two weeks and a day from tomorrow

Fescue

dogbert27 wrote: »

I get what you're saying but I don't really think Suarez and Sturridge were a partnership.

I mean, how many of each others goals did they actually set up for each other?

And Sturridge was doing great at the start of last season when Suarez was out.

When Suarez came back Sturridge got injured for a number of weeks.

The entire team was shifted tactically to get the two of them into the team. I would imagine we will see less of the diamond this year and more of the 4-3-3/4-2-3-1.

dogbert27

Last season a number of players stepped up. Henderson, Sturridge, Sterling, Flanagan, Skrtel.

You can't say that this was down to Suarez being in the team. If so we might as well just throw in the towel now.

I believe the reason that these players stepped up is down to the management and the philosophy for the team. Clearly losing a player like Suarez leaves a hole in the first team but I don't think it's going to affect the players attitudes the way some are saying here.

Agent Coulson

Fescue wrote: »

Such as...

Fowler/Collymore. things other than football got in there way.

Torres without Gerrard not the classic stricking partners.

Shearer/Sutton. Sutton was never as good without Shearer

Mark Bright /Ian Wright. Bright the same as Sutton

As pairs they were top class when split only one of each pair really kept up the level.

Sturridge benefited last season from the freedom he got having Suarez taking the pressure off him.



As I said it may not happen but for you to say No, that's not plausible.

I ask you to prove why it's not's plausible.

Morzadec

Twitter ITK rumblings:

Bony being targeted as Remy alternative.

Ayre played a blinder waiting Sevilla out and saved us £6m on the Moreno fee.

Cjs21

jasonb wrote: »

How many goals do you think we need from one player, that you think Sturridge can't get?

Sturridge has scored 31 goals in 43 games for us, and scored 21 last season, the second highest scorer in the league. A fair few of them where when Suarez wasn't on the pitch. That's more goals last season than RvP, Rooney, Touré, Aguêro, Giroud etc. etc.

I get that Suarez is a big loss, and there's no guarantee that Sturridge will score over 20 again, but he's clearly more than capable of it, and I just don't understand the lack of faith in him that quite a few Boardsies seem to have. I think it is the Suarez effect, if we never had Suarez and Sturridge got his 21 goals last season, he'd be a hero and we'd be delighted to have him leading the line this season. Instead he's almost viewed as also-ran.

J.

You literally just posted my reply in your own post.

The Suarez effect. The same Suarez effect that probably set up play for alot of the 21 goals he got/

I have faith in Sturridge as a player, I just don't have the faith in him to carry the goal burden that we face.

If it stays the same squad for the season then Hendo and whoever starts in mid will have to pick up the pace on scoring more goals.

Kimbot

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Fowler/Collymore. things other than football got in there way.

Torres without Gerrard not the classic stricking partners.

Shearer/Sutton. Sutton was never as good without Shearer

Mark Bright /Ian Wright. Bright the same as Sutton

As pairs they were top class when split only one of each pair really kept up the level.

Sturridge benefited last season from the freedom he got having Suarez taking the pressure off him.



As I said it may not happen but for you to say No, that's not plausible.

I ask you to prove why it's not's plausible.

What if Suarez is the one that suffers from not playing with Sturridge though.

dogbert27

Fescue wrote: »

The entire team was shifted tactically to get the two of them into the team. I would imagine we will see less of the diamond this year and more of the 4-3-3/4-2-3-1.

Or go 4-1-3-2 with Sturridge and Sterling ahead of Markovic, Coutinho and Llalana depending on the opposition.

The 1 could be a rotation of Gerrard and Can.

The positive with this summers transfers is we have a lot of options from midfield and attack that we can compensate for the loss of Suarez (but not replace him).

My main concern for the season is a consistent defence. Lovren and Sahko would be my starting CB. Skrtel was good last year but he still hung out of players jerseys game after game and is liable to give a penalty away.

If we get Moreno we're sorted for LB so as the discussion has been going, who will be the starting RB??

Agent Coulson

jonny24ie wrote: »

What if Suarez is the one that suffers from not playing with Sturridge though.

Well then we £100m from a Spanish club or PSG for Sturridge next season :pac:

NyOmnishambles

Fescue wrote: »

Such as...

Chris Sutton was the first one that sprung to mind, never seemed as dangerous as when he was playing with Shearer

Whilst Suarez might not have directly set up Sturridge for goals and vice versa as someone else mentioned jsut having the threat of Suarez on the pitch would have worried defenders and taken some of the focus off Sturridge

That plus Suarez's determination to win and necessary selfish streak spurred Sturridge on imo

Now I don't think Sturridge will regress but you can't say it isn't a possibility

celt262

jonny24ie wrote: »

What if Suarez is the one that suffers from not playing with Sturridge though.

The same as he suffers for Uruguay?

Underpaid Mike

dogbert27 wrote: »

Last season a number of players stepped up. Henderson, Sturridge, Sterling, Flanagan, Skrtel.

You can't say that this was down to Suarez being in the team. If so we might as well just throw in the towel now.

I believe the reason that these players stepped up is down to the management and the philosophy for the team. Clearly losing a player like Suarez leaves a hole in the first team but I don't think it's going to affect the players attitudes the way some are saying here.

Suarez scored or assisted half of our goals last season
HALF
Along with creating endless space for our other players because he was constantly double marked.
Please stop trying to downplay the contribution of what was arguably the best player to ever play for the club

Fescue

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Fowler/Collymore. things other than football got in there way.

Torres without Gerrard not the classic stricking partners.

Shearer/Sutton. Sutton was never as good without Shearer

Mark Bright /Ian Wright. Bright the same as Sutton

As pairs they were top class when split only one of each pair really kept up the level.

Sturridge benefited last season from the freedom he got having Suarez taking the pressure off him.



As I said it may not happen but for you to say No, that's not plausible.

I ask you to prove why it's not's plausible.

I certainly don't think it's plausible in this instance but I get your point.

dogbert27

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Suarez scored or assisted half of our goals last season
HALF
Along with creating endless space for our other players because he was constantly double marked.
Please stop trying to downplay the contribution of what was arguably the best player to ever play for the club

Okay Mike, I'll throw in the towel then. We're fcuked this year. :rolleyes:

Oranage2

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Suarez scored or assisted half of our goals last season
HALF
Along with creating endless space for our other players because he was constantly double marked.
Please stop trying to downplay the contribution of what was arguably the best player to ever play for the club

Gerrard, Owen?

Kimbot

Oranage2 wrote: »

Gerrard, Owen?

Gerrard/Kenny/Rush/Barnes/Fowler - LFC has been graced with some amazing players over the years

Fescue

NyOmnishambles wrote: »

Chris Sutton was the first one that sprung to mind, never seemed as dangerous as when he was playing with Shearer

Whilst Suarez might not have directly set up Sturridge for goals and vice versa as someone else mentioned jsut having the threat of Suarez on the pitch would have worried defenders and taken some of the focus off Sturridge

That plus Suarez's determination to win and necessary selfish streak spurred Sturridge on imo

Now I don't think Sturridge will regress but you can't say it isn't a possibility

Sure everything is a possibility. The question is if it's plausible. ((of an argument or statement) seeming reasonable or probable)

BeepBeep67

NyOmnishambles

Fescue wrote: »

Sure everything is a possibility. The question is if it's plausible. ((of an argument or statement) seeming reasonable or probable)

AAAAAAAnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnndddddddddddddddd you are just nit picking now

Anyway

Rumours of Lavezzi surfacing again, would love to see him join, very good player who we were interested in under Rafa if I remember rightly, would fit right in

That being said I would prefer to see an out and out striker join but I am in no position to suggest who
Lacazetta has been mentioned by some and I admit to knowing nothing about him before the links appeared but having looked into him since I think he would be a good signing, allow Sturridge the confidence of still being seen as the main man (and I think on pitch confidence is huge for him) and has the attributes to turn into a fine player

joe123

Bony talk started on twitter again. I really hope not. Will be very disappointed if we spunk 20 million on him.

Kess73

Just saw a stat bomb comparison of Johnson from last season versus Johnson from the 09/10 season. Is up on a couple of fan sites, so thought I would grab it and pop it up here.


Mad drop off in most areas.





http://www.statsbomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Glen-Johnson-10vs14.png

joe123

Morzadec wrote: »

Twitter ITK rumblings:

Bony being targeted as Remy alternative.

Ayre played a blinder waiting Sevilla out and saved us £6m on the Moreno fee.

You follow @GraemeKelly1 too I see

Fescue

NyOmnishambles wrote: »

AAAAAAAnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnndddddddddddddddd you are just nit picking now

Anyway

Rumours of Lavezzi surfacing again, would love to see him join, very good player who we were interested in under Rafa if I remember rightly, would fit right in

That being said I would prefer to see an out and out striker join but I am in no position to suggest who
Lacazetta has been mentioned by some and I admit to knowing nothing about him before the links appeared but having looked into him since I think he would be a good signing, allow Sturridge the confidence of still being seen as the main man (and I think on pitch confidence is huge for him) and has the attributes to turn into a fine player

If I was nit picking I would have said that Sutton scored 22 goals during the 2 years he played with Shearer and 35 the following two years.

Fescue

Kess73 wrote: »

Just saw a stat bomb comparison of Johnson from last season versus Johnson from the 09/10 season. Is up on a couple of fan sites, so thought I would grab it and pop it up here.


Mad drop off in most areas.





http://www.statsbomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Glen-Johnson-10vs14.png

I hope someone shows Glen Johnson this.

fred funk }{

Kess73 wrote: »

Just saw a stat bomb comparison of Johnson from last season versus Johnson from the 09/10 season. Is up on a couple of fan sites, so thought I would grab it and pop it up here.


Mad drop off in most areas.





http://www.statsbomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Glen-Johnson-10vs14.png

Have to say, I love those charts.

Kess73

fred funk }{ wrote: »

Have to say, I love those charts.

Same here, have spent way too much time on that site.