Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP 28/8

livinginkorea

Oh and the shoulder on Balotelli might be some revenge thing too as he scored against Germany to knock them out of Euro 2012. Germans don't forget things like that

Daemonic

Not the first time Can has nudged a player off the ball with ease in pre-season. Think he did the same to Richards against Man City. Seems to have very quick feet too. Looking forward to seeing more of him.

Agent Coulson

I think Can will be the much needed muscle we have been missing in midfield since Mascherano left.

He looks like he will be a very top box to box midfielder is he keeps learning and improving under Rodgers.

There won't be many midfields around Europe that will cover as much ground as ours with Henderson, Lallana & Can in it.

rob316

tok9 wrote: »

Posts like this should be bookmarked.

The amount of times I or someone else has said this most be close to the bull**** transfer stories we hear.

Twitter isn't a source it's a medium. Plenty of good people to follow on it Barrett, Smith, pearce etc. Just ignore the Anfield mole, indykalia and anyone called agent or self confessed itk.

Vinz Mesrine

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

In terms of risk versus potential rewards, I would be all over Balotelli.

The risk is far too great IMO.
He has been shipped out of 3(including Milan, prematurely maybe) big clubs already. There is something seriously wrong in the lads head and I don't think any manager will be able to bring it under control. It would be akin to signing Ravel Morrison in my eyes.

jesus_thats_gre

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

It would be akin to signing Ravel Morrison in my eyes.

I would take the risk on him too.

michael999999

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

I would take the risk on him too.

Even after being arrested last week?

Calvin

So, Arsenal lose the cup they invented and Chelsea got beat 3-0 by Werder Bremen...well then :rolleyes:

rob316

Calvin Leong wrote: »

So, Arsenal lose the cup they invented and Chelsea got beat 3-0 by Werder Bremen...well then :rolleyes:

Our year

whatawaster

Wouldn't take Morrisson or Balotelli at this stage.

Morrisson looks talented, but has a terrible attitude and we are fully loaded in the positions in which he operates. Sterling, Coutinho and Lallana are better than him, Markovic probably is too.

Balotelli is a good player, but don't think he is as crazy talented as some people are making out. If we can't find anyone else, I wouldn't mind going back in for Remy on a season long loan.

Agent Coulson

Calvin Leong wrote: »

So, Arsenal lose the cup they invented and Chelsea got beat 3-0 by Werder Bremen...well then :rolleyes:

And either Liverpool or Utd will loss on monday night and City got knocked out of that cup.

So what I take from all these friendlies is who ever wins on monday wins the PL come next May. :pac:

garra

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Someone (maybe Can) will have to give Gerrard a nice big bump tackle before the season starts

I'm already sold on the German, he'll be a right crowd rouser, crash! bang! wallop! out of defence, pass forward to Sterling jinking pass to Sturridge goal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best fans in the world

rob316

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

I would take the risk on him too.

Morisson is a criminal. He has the world at his feet and would prefer to be a gangster. Big difference between him and balotelli.

garra

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

In terms of risk versus potential rewards, I would be all over Balotelli.

I take it you are not a very good gambler?

Agent Coulson

Sterling was in court after being arrested this time last year for assault as well lets not forget.

Yes the charges were dropped.

Maybe the same will happen with Morisson and he will change his life around like Sterling.


I wouldn't want Morisson at the club as we have better players in the same age bracket and we need an experienced forward player.

rob316

I wouldn't have morrisson near the club he's a nasty piece of work. He was arrested last week for assaulting 2 women and wasn't even granted bail. He has also been involved in witness intimidation.

Chucky the tree

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Sterling was in court after being arrested this time last year for assault as well lets not forget.

Yes the charges were dropped.

Maybe the same will happen with Morisson and he will change his life around like Sterling.


I wouldn't want Morisson at the club as we have better players in the same age bracket and we need an experienced forward player.

Sterling never needed to change his life around. He's never really been in trouble before. Morrison has a history of bad behaviour and having a poor attitude. His situation is close to Sterling.

garra

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I think Can will be the much needed muscle we have been missing in midfield since Mascherano left.

He looks like he will be a very top box to box midfielder is he keeps learning and improving under Rodgers.

There won't be many midfields around Europe that will cover as much ground as ours with Henderson, Lallana & Can in it.

Am not sold on Can yet. Watched him last night and he is impressive in 50:50s with his size, but still not sure about his ability to change direction quickly and to distribute under pressure, two assets that Allen / Henderson / the Count have - this allows quick interchange from front to back on the ground. He's not in tune passing wise or closing down, but i suppose its his pre -season also.. Let's wait and see what he's got when it matters.

Agent Coulson

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Sterling never needed to change his life around. He's never really been in trouble before. Morrison has a history of bad behaviour and having a poor attitude. His situation is close to Sterling.

He was twice charged with assaultwhich leads me to believe he was in trouble before and was heading the wrong way if he didn't change his life around.

I rememebr Kess saying he was seen in Liverpool hanging out in the wrong areas and mixing with people who were not good for him.

What we forget is these guys are millionaires nearly before they are 18 if they don't have the right people around them alot of bad things can happen.

Agent Coulson

garra wrote: »

Am not sold on Can yet. Watched him last night and he is impressive in 50:50s with his size, but still not sure about his ability to change direction quickly and to distribute under pressure, two assets that Allen / Henderson / the Count have - this allows quick interchange from front to back on the ground. He's not in tune passing wise or closing down, but i suppose its his pre -season also.. Let's wait and see what he's got when it matters.

He is 20 years old and far from the complete package that's why I said if keeps learning and improving under Rodgers who has shown himsef to be a very good coach of young players he can (pun not intended) become a top midfielder.


I think there could be a lot of Can/ can be going on in the next while :pac:

garra

Agent Coulson wrote: »

He was twice charged with assault that leads me to believe all is was in trouble before and was heading the wrong way if he didn't change his life around.

I rememebr Kess saying he was seen in Liverpool hanging out in the wrong areas and mixing with people who were know good for him.

What we forget is these guys are millionaires nearly before they are 18 if they don't have the right people around them alot of bad things can happen.

I remember that also, he had come to a cross-roads in his life with a young kid and he himself was just a kid too.. he realised what was important and knuckled down, he's got a lot of balls that lad.

klose

Rumour ilori is off on loan to deportivo, good move. I would expect a clear out of defenders soon enough when manquillo and hopefully moreno signs. Robinson and kellys time at the club is probably coming to an end. Be interesting to see what happens with agger/toure and coates. Ideally we will keep one to be 4th choice behind sakho/lovren and skrtel.

Harry Palmr

Tiago Ilori off to Deportivo de La Coruña subject to Liverpool signing it off.

Agent Coulson

Kelly for the sake of his own career needs to move on. Robinson I don't think will make the grade for a CL team.

Agger looks like he is on his way and I think everyone will wish him the besta nd I hope he gets his move to Barca.

I would keep Coates if he wants to stay he has had a good pre season and has in the past showing good potential as a footballing CB.

Sell Renia as well.



Moreno, Manquillo, Flanagan, Enrique, Johnson, Skrtel, Coates, Sakho & Lovren.

I'd like to add a RB like Clyne to those and I'd be happy enough with those players.

Chucky the tree

Agent Coulson wrote: »

He was twice charged with assaultwhich leads me to believe he was in trouble before and was heading the wrong way if he didn't change his life around.

I rememebr Kess saying he was seen in Liverpool hanging out in the wrong areas and mixing with people who were not good for him.

What we forget is these guys are millionaires nearly before they are 18 if they don't have the right people around them alot of bad things can happen.

He needed to avoid hanging around with liars, that's about it. Morrison was convicted of witness intimidation and has been unwilling to dedicate himself to football as well. Sterling never a problem on the field or in training which is a big difference. Morrison doesn't really seem that bothered about football.

Amirani

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Moreno, Manquillo, Flanagan, Enrique, Johnson, Skrtel, Coates, Sakho & Lovren.

I'd like to add a RB like Clyne to those and I'd be happy enough with those players.

Surely Johnson, Manquillo, Flanagan + Clyne would be overkill at RB?

garra

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Kelly for the sake of his own career needs to move on. Robinson I don't think will make the grade for a CL team.

Agger looks like he is on his way and I think everyone will wish him the besta nd I hope he gets his move to Barca.

I would keep Coates if he wants to stay he has had a good pre season and has in the past showing good potential as a footballing CB.

Sell Renia as well.



Moreno, Manquillo, Flanagan, Enrique, Johnson, Skrtel, Coates, Sakho & Lovren.

I'd like to add a RB like Clyne to those and I'd be happy enough with those players.

Yep I would have Clyne or similar instead of Johnson, get his wages off the books and his apathy / lack of focus / lack of confidence off the pitch.

I would wish him well though.

Harry Palmr

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Surely Johnson, Manquillo, Flanagan + Clyne would be overkill at RB?

Clyne in would be Johnson out I imagine. Not that Clyne is being signed as Soton have taken out a restraining order on Ian Ayre.

Agent Coulson

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Surely Johnson, Manquillo, Flanagan + Clyne would be overkill at RB?

I can't see Manquillo being a starter.

Flanagan can be used as cover for both left and right.

Johnson well I won't go there :pac:

Clyne would be my choice if we went looking for another right back.

LuckyLloyd

Augmerson wrote: »

Roy Curtis....Jesus. How is he a journo?

In the Gerrard retires from International thread TheDoc posted the Curtis position on Gerrard almost verbatim. He is a journalist because football fans are generally not the most objective or discerning bunch, and agendas and strong opinions will always find a home along partisan lines.

Francie Barrett

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Tiago Ilori off to Deportivo de La Coruña subject to Liverpool signing it off.

Season long loan before people start giving out!

jesus_thats_gre

garra wrote: »

I take it you are not a very good gambler?

Don't gamble with money myself.

Balotelli in particular will likely become less of a gamble as he gets older and matures a bit.

Losing Suarez is a massive deal. He causes chaos on the pitch and it is very hard to replace a player who has that effect when he gets on the ball.

If he was a CB or MF, I would be a whole lot more hesitant about Balotelli but given he is a striker, I really do think he is worth the risk once you factor in just what he can bring.

Vinz Mesrine

I can't believe I'd forgotten the chemistry between Coutinho and Sturridge while Suarez was out. Those 2 were on the exact same wavelength and played very well together, looking forward to seeing more of it this season.

Vicxas

Dortmund bet some team 10-0 earlier.


Next Sunday should be fun

Francie Barrett

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Don't gamble with money myself.

Balotelli in particular will likely become less of a gamble as he gets older and matures a bit.

Losing Suarez is a massive deal. He causes chaos on the pitch and it is very hard to replace a player who has that effect when he gets on the ball.

If he was a CB or MF, I would be a whole lot more hesitant about Balotelli but given he is a striker, I really do think he is worth the risk once you factor in just what he can bring.

Agree completely. If we're going to try and replace Suarez, we're not going to do it with a player like Remy. When you look at Sturridge and Coutinho, both were players who had not done the business at their respective clubs. Balotelli is another one of these players, except we know that he has world class ability. If Rodgers can straighten him out, then we have a player who could be a potential legend at this club and may even go close to replacing Suarez.

Vinz Mesrine

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Agree completely. If we're going to try and replace Suarez, we're not going to do it with a player like Remy. When you look at Sturridge and Coutinho, both were players who had not done the business at their respective clubs. Balotelli is another one of these players, except we know that he has world class ability. If Rodgers can straighten him out, then we have a player who could be a potential legend at this club and may even go close to replacing Suarez.

I hope you don't mind me asking and I don't mean any offence but what has he done throughout his career to justify this kind of praise? He has always looked a very ordinary player who has a great game every now and again. His off field antics far outweigh his on field performances.

martyos121

Balotelli would be a terrible influence on our team. He doesn't take the sport seriously, he's clearly more concerned about dollar signs, and he couldn't be a worse fit for our system. No thanks, I'd rather stick with our 2 strikers than this clown coming in.

LuckyLloyd

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

I hope you don't mind me asking and I don't mean any offence but what has he done throughout his career to justify this kind of praise? He has always looked a very ordinary player who has a great game every now and again. His off field antics far outweigh his on field performances.

You're entitled to your opinionI suppose, but saying Balotelli has always looked 'very ordinary' is pure nonsense. It has always been clear that he is an immense talent (physically and technically) with screws loose.

People on here talk about youth and value all the time. The prices being quoted for Balotelli represent huge value. Most definitely a risk I'd be willing to take anyway. Having that X Factor in your squad can be huge.

KingJamsie

Rodgers just said we are not in for Balotelli. End of!

martyos121

KingJamsie wrote: »

Rodgers just said we are not in for Balotelli. End of!

Thank God, and source?

Vinz Mesrine

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

You're entitled to your opinionI suppose, but saying Balotelli has always looked 'very ordinary' is pure nonsense. It has always been clear that he is an immense talent (physically and technically) with screws loose.

People on here talk about youth and value all the time. The prices being quoted for Balotelli represent huge value. Most definitely a risk I'd be willing to take anyway. Having that X Factor in your squad can be huge.

14m on Balotelli or 14m on Konoplyanka? It's no contest in my mind.

dundalkfc10

martyos121 wrote: »

Balotelli would be a terrible influence on our team. He doesn't take the sport seriously, he's clearly more concerned about dollar signs, and he couldn't be a worse fit for our system. No thanks, I'd rather stick with our 2 strikers than this clown coming in.

All his flaws he has many, The bit in bold is 100% not true

daRobot

Ballotelli may be getting close to the realisation that he's going to end up somewhat unbuyable and finish up in a mid-table Italian team, if he doesn't sort out his act soon.

And part of me can see that it might be a good time to take a chance on him now due to this.

But his attitude as a professional has been disgraceful thus far, and great man managers such as Mourihno have failed with him, so you just have to wonder if he's beyond repair.

LuckyLloyd

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

14m on Balotelli or 14m on Konoplyanka? It's no contest in my mind.

lol, as I say - you're entitled to an opinion.

Dont be at yourself

Id take Balotelli for 14m in a heartbeat. It's pure moneyball; his ability and potential are huge, and even if he's hot and cold, he'll outperform other strikers for the same money. We'd probably have to give Steve Peters a raise though.

billy2012

martyos121 wrote: »

Balotelli would be a terrible influence on our team. He doesn't take the sport seriously, he's clearly more concerned about dollar signs, and he couldn't be a worse fit for our system. No thanks, I'd rather stick with our 2 strikers than this clown coming in.

Perhaps Liverpool would have a hugely positive influence on him??

Vinz Mesrine

Lads, if we signed him for 14m and he reverts back to type what do we do then? He could end up sitting at the club for years being a drain on expenses

Pilsbury Doughboy

Is that Hulk lad still available, throw £45m at it, now's the time to get aggressive.

Dont be at yourself

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

Lads, if we signed him for 14m and he reverts back to type what do we do then? He could end up sitting at the club for years being a drain on expenses

Even if he reverted to type, I'll be delighted for 14m, tbh. His 'type' is below, FYI:

Man City 10/11: 17 games, 6 goals
Man City 11/12: 23 games, 13 goals
Milan 12/13: 13 games, 12 goals
Milan 13/14: 30 games, 14 goals

KingJamsie

martyos121 wrote: »

Thank God, and source?

He just did a presser with Hendo on LFCTV GO