Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP 28/8

Vinz Mesrine

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Hmmmm, dirty Riri or classy Linda, I'm conflicted.

There wouldn't be any clean sheets anyway

Vinz Mesrine

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

I have stated numerous times that I don't believe a striker is necessary to the club. A player who has the ability to play up front while being comfortable behind is what I want and am hoping for. Other posters will complain if that kind of player is brought in instead of having faith in the manager.

I probably should have worded that original post better, I apologise for that. I don't want us to sign an out and out striker because I don't think it's necessary, in Sturridge we have one of the best in the league, why would we replace him? We won't be playing with 2 strikers much this season, that much should be obvious.

Not sure where to start. Bullet points(with no bullets)

The manager himself says we need a striker.

Why can't we sign someone to play as a partner /wing forward whatever with Sturridge?

How do you know how we'll line up this season?

Who's saying they want to replace Sturridge?

Vinz Mesrine

I give up, I'm not mentioning the word striker until September.

taidghbaby

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

They have lost a lot of experience from their defence and haven't shown signs of replacing it. I'll put it to you like this, would you be happy having Smalling, Evans and Jones as our 3 first choice centre halves?

I don't think the current version of Ferdinand or Vidic (including their experience) would be an upgrade on the above! No, I wouldn't be happy if they were our CB's but I don't think united are happy with the above trio, and I would be very surprised if they do not bring in at least one more body!

They will be better than last year though!

Fescue

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I honestly just can't make any sense out of what you're saying...we're going to play over 50 games this year. If Sturridge doesn't start up front - who starts in his place? Seriously, we have no-one who can do the same job as him in reserve. Even if he was fit for the whole season, he cant start every game - and we already know that he'll likely miss a month or so at some point with an injury - as he does every season. Christ, he's only just coming back from another injury right now.

As for the "instead of having faith in the manager" comment - the manager very obviously feels the same as I do. He's already tried to sign Remy to fill that exact position, and has also stated we need to bring in another striker.

Starting with only one man who can fulfill that role would be negligence.

It looks like Borini is going to stay. How would people feel about him stepping into the firing line?

Me...

MD1990

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

I have stated numerous times that I don't believe a striker is necessary to the club. A player who has the ability to play up front while being comfortable behind is what I want and am hoping for. Other posters will complain if that kind of player is brought in instead of having faith in the manager.

I probably should have worded that original post better, I apologise for that. I don't want us to sign an out and out striker because I don't think it's necessary, in Sturridge we have one of the best in the league, why would we replace him? We won't be playing with 2 strikers much this season, that much should be obvious.

What if Sturridge is out for 6 weeks which could easily happen. We would be stuck with Lambert who is a good player but too slow to suit our style of play & doesn't have the greatest fitness either & doesn't move the ball qick enough either. Or Borini who lacks the techique to play up top on his own. Its critical we get another top class striker

~Rebel~

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

Over 50 games? We could end up with an extra 8 games on top of the 38 league games.

The manager tried to bring in Remy, a signing I would have been very happy with as he fills the criteria I mentioned earlier in that he could play behind Sturridge aswell as up front on his own, that's the kind of signing I want.

Well, with your plan of not worrying about a backup striker, you're probably right, we probably will be limited to the minimum number of cup games possible.

I still don't understand your point though. You're arguing against buying a striker, yet advocating the buying of a striker who can also play wide. I mean, no shit, that's exactly what everyone wants - the key part of what this proposed purchase can do is the striker bit though. That's where we're short staffed.

In the supporting role we're pretty well stocked as it is - where we're weak is up front. Sure, it'd be great to have one who can one who can play with, as well as instead of, Sturridge - but the key attribute needed is someone who is comfortable playing up front on their own and scoring goals in that role. I can't understand how you can't agree with this.

~Rebel~

Fescue wrote: »

It looks like Borini is going to stay. How would people feel about him stepping into the firing line?

Me...

He'd be ok. He'd be perfectly adequate. He'd be grand. But he would also be a definite drop from the man he'd be replacing. I'd be fine with having Borini as an option, but he's not the man i'd like to rely on for a month or two.

Fescue

~Rebel~ wrote: »

He'd be ok. He'd be perfectly adequate. He'd be grand. But he would also be a definite drop from the man he'd be replacing. I'd be fine with having Borini as an option, but he's not the man i'd like to rely on for a month or two.

I still think Bony would do really well for Liverpool.

Vinz Mesrine

Fescue wrote: »

It looks like Borini is going to stay. How would people feel about him stepping into the firing line?

Me...

I would have no problem whatsoever with him being the backup for Sturridge.

Vinz Mesrine

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

I would have no problem whatsoever with him being the backup for Sturridge.

Ah here, full sure you're not serious now

5starpool

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

I would have no problem whatsoever with him being the backup for Sturridge.

I'd be very underwhelmed if our backups to a player who is very unlikely to stay fit for the season were Borini and Lambert.

Vinz Mesrine

rarnes1 wrote: »

Ah here, full sure you're not serious now

He has never had a run up front for us. What's the problem?

Mr Alan

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

He has never had a run up front for us. What's the problem?

The manager clearly doesn't think him currently good enough, hence us accepting Sunderlands offer earlier in the summer.

Fescue

Mr Alan wrote: »

The manager clearly doesn't think him currently good enough, hence us accepting Sunderlands offer earlier in the summer.

And what an offer!

~Rebel~

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

He has never had a run up front for us. What's the problem?

Maybe some or our hopes and expectations are higher than a guy who, as you said, has never had a run up front for us. I want a guy who I know can fill in successfully. i want a guy who can reasonably be expected to start in a league chasing team.

Borini is a good footballer, he works very hard, but he just won't score the number of goals that you want from your front man. He showed a lot of commendable traits at Sunderland, but at the end of the day he scored 7 goals - including a number of penalties - in 32 games. That's a significant drop off from the man he'd be replacing.

Hangballlouie

Mr Alan wrote: »

The manager clearly doesn't think him currently good enough, hence us accepting Sunderlands offer earlier in the summer.

And the manager would be right IMO. Borini is a good player, just not good enough for where we wanna be going forward.

michael999999

Rihanna buying the club eh?

What i want to know is, at a rainy night in Stoke who'll be under her umbrella?

googled eyes

We're the new hipsters club !

LeBron
Rihanna
James Bond

They all wanna piece

Vinz Mesrine

Vinz Mesrine wrote: »

He has never had a run up front for us. What's the problem?

He did well for Sunderland and was hardly prolific there. I think he's a few levels below what we need if we want to challenge for top honours

Vinz Mesrine

Chances at Sunderland V chances at Liverpool.

Do I need to point out the glaring issue there?

Underpaid Mike

Andy hunter reporting that we are interested in etoo. I said it here a while back, he would be a super signing for us for the short term. Low risk but high wages. He would score bags of goals in our system

~Rebel~

Borini is a guy i'd be only too happy to have come on after 60 minutes when we're 4-0 up, and want to give Sturridge a break

What I want is a guy who, at 1-0 down after 60 minutes, can come on for Sturridge when he's having one of his "ineffective days" (and lets not forget that he does have ineffective days!), and who's introduction you get excited about.

We have that depth now in the wide positions, where we could bring on Markovic for example, and get excited about what he'll bring to the game. We just don't have that up front.

MD1990

Eto'o wouldn't be a good idea. Look how Toure turned out.

rob316

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Andy hunter reporting that we are interested in etoo. I said it here a while back, he would be a super signing for us for the short term. Low risk but high wages. He would score bags of goals in our system

Jesus what a disappointing signing that would be if he is the only cf we bring in.

~Rebel~

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Andy hunter reporting that we are interested in etoo. I said it here a while back, he would be a super signing for us for the short term. Low risk but high wages. He would score bags of goals in our system

Not ideal, but certainly an interesting option. The longer the season went on with him at Chelsea, the sharper he looked. Suits our system a lot better than Chelsea's too.

MD1990

Eto's wouldn't be a bad option IF we signed another striker. Eto'o is 33 & also injury prone. Having 2 30+ strikers wouldn't be ideal either.

michael999999

No no no no no no no no no Eto!

Etoo as 3rd striker I could live with instead of Borini.

Sappy404

It's not just Hunter that's reporting Eto'o, the usuals have been briefed it seems.

Hotfail.com

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Andy hunter reporting that we are interested in etoo. I said it here a while back, he would be a super signing for us for the short term. Low risk but high wages. He would score bags of goals in our system

Get him away!

I'd prefer to resign Anthony Le Tallec.

KingJamsie

MD1990 wrote: »

Eto'o wouldn't be a good idea. Look how Toure turned out.

Think Toure worked out great for a free. Just the back pass at west brom stands out

5live

Hotfail.com wrote: »

Get him away!

I'd prefer to resign Anthony Le Tallec.

...or Sean Dundee!

kfallon

KingJamsie wrote: »

Think Toure worked out great for a free. Just the back pass at west brom stands out

*cough* *cough* OG at Fulham *cough*

klose

Eto'o? We have a 32 y/o back up to our excellent but some times injury prone striker , we dont need a 33 y/o injury prone back up striker on top of that again. Go again....

Harry Palmr

I just spent three hours watching Battle of the Bulge, I get back to Battle of Bullsh1t!

MD1990

KingJamsie wrote: »

Think Toure worked out great for a free. Just the back pass at west brom stands out

He started well & seems a great character. But the the 2nd half of the season he was poor & capable of huhe errors.

ricero

if we got eto in and sold borini and also bring in Bony i would be quite happy

MD1990

With us considering Eto'o & Remy was going to be given the #7 shirt. I think we can rule out a big name signing happening before the end of the window.

Harry Palmr

So this is the player Tim Vickery's mystery agent was talking about, Eto'o. Samuel "age undisclosed" Eto'o

Hotfail.com

ricero wrote: »

if we got eto in and sold borini and also bring in Bony i would be quite happy

The most we'll get out of Etoo is a year, and I don't even think he's much better than Borini. At least there's a chance Borini could come good this year and prove to be a valuable asset, whilst Etoo is on his last legs.

~Rebel~

MD1990 wrote: »

Eto'o wouldn't be a good idea. Look how Toure turned out.

It's all about expectation. Toure is a good example - as a first choice player, he's underwhelming, whereas under the actual circumstances, he was probably the best 4th choice CB we've had for a very very long time. Usually our 4th choice is some kid who's shakey as ****. Toure made a few high profile mistakes, but by and large was a perfectly good 4th choice option. It's just a shame that we had so many injuries at centre back so he was relied upon waaaay more than he should have been.

For what he is, Eto'o could add something. He's amongst the most natural finishers i've ever seen, and still has terrific movement. I also have a personal bias towards him, as he's one of my favorite strikers of all time. For all the issues of his age, he still scored 9 in 21 appearances in the league last year. If we had 4 striker options - Sturridge, 2nd Choice, Eto'o and Lambert, i'd be ok with that.

MD1990

~Rebel~ wrote: »

It's all about expectation. Toure is a good example - as a first choice player, he's underwhelming, whereas under the actual circumstances, he was probably the best 4th choice CB we've had for a very very long time. Usually our 4th choice is some kid who's shakey as ****. Toure made a few high profile mistakes, but by and large was a perfectly good 4th choice option. It's just a shame that we had so many injuries at centre back so he was relied upon waaaay more than he should have been.

For what he is, Eto'o could add something. He's amongst the most natural finishers i've ever seen, and still has terrific movement. I also have a personal bias towards him, as he's one of my favorite strikers of all time. If we had 4 striker options - Sturridge, 2nd Choice, Eto'o and Lambert, i'd be ok with that.

One of mine too but he has struggled with injuries last few years especially his knee.

Sappy404

It's likely we're trying for a short term deal for a striker so that Origi can take his place next year. So basically our choices are apparently Falcao or Cavani on loan or Eto'o on a one-year deal.

Harry Palmr

~Rebel~ wrote: »

aaaay more than he should have been.

For what he is, Eto'o could add something. He's amongst the most natural finishers i've ever seen, and still has terrific movement. I also have a personal bias towards him, as he's one of my favorite strikers of all time. If we had 4 striker options - Sturridge, 2nd Choice, Eto'o and Lambert, i'd be ok with that.

Suppose its Sturridge, Eto and Lambert though? Liverpool have 50-60 million quid burning a hole, there must be more to this. Another wide man maybe - someone like Lavezzi or Volland

Or as we've discussed before is there in fact a cunning plan to turn Sterling into a withdrawn striker?

~Rebel~

MD1990 wrote: »

One of mine too but he has struggled with injuries last few years especially his knee.

Wouldn't worry too much about that to be honest - his role with us shouldn't be more than 20 or 30 minutes here and there. Would be reasonably easy to manage his fitness I think. At the end of the day, when you need a goal, there are few people you want the ball to fall to in the box more than Samuel Eto'o.

marno21

Can't wait for much more of this this season

Kerrigooney

Eto'o? Someone's havin a laugh,yeah?

Calvin

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Eto'o? Someone's havin a laugh,yeah?

He lost all my respect after this

~Rebel~

Calvin Leong wrote: »

He lost all my respect after this
www.imgur.com/bpifwWe

I literally could not care less about stuff like that if he were to join. Christ, i'd have bitey mcbiterson back in a heartbeat if he'd come! Same goes for the likes of Diego Costa.

Bottom line for me is - if they can do a job with the right attitude, bring em in. If they can't, don't.