Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP 28/8

Dickerty

Knex. wrote: »

I'd take Soldado, no problem.

Sandro too. Dembele I really like, but we have enough in that department.

Surprised if they sell Chiriches and Capoue, as well as the above, though.

Haven't seen much of Chiriches. But like 2/3 of them, probably not on huge wages and young, I wouldn't see the point in selling unless for a profit?

Dickerty

Knex. wrote: »

Andros 'shoooooot' Townsend irritates me more than most players in the league.

Don't want him.

Me neither, but I don't see why Spurs be pushing him out, he was a good news story last season, and has come through the ranks. It would be like us trying to sell Flanno because he had one good season...

D'Agger

mormank wrote: »

Honestly don't think Soldado would suit us. Didn't Valencia used to cross alot during his most prolifif period for them?? I'd love Dembele tho. He has all the attributes to be a very good midfielder imo. Also Chiriches would be an interesting option. Still doubt they would sell to us.

I used to love Dembele but he's regressed hugely in the last two years.

Vanolder

i heart chewy louie wrote: »

Had you heard of him 2 months ago? I've been asking since our interest about him and no one has said anything but are creaming themselves now the transfer has finally been completed.

That's the way it works around here... Fella's get very excited/upset when a player they know nothing about is signed/not signed. Ayre is usually hailed as a hero or his head wanted on a stick depending on how it goes...Football in the internet age :rolleyes:

slingerz

I think the centre half Chriches will become a fine player

Underpaid Mike

Eto'o will hold second round of LFC talks tomorrow. Wants a basic salary of £135k-a-wk. LFC offering lower package closer to £90k

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2014/08/13/5030643/etoo-set-for-second-round-of-liverpool-talks?ICID=HP_HN_HP_RI_1_1

Kirby

I get that he is on a free but that is quite a high wage demand for a man that will be ostensibly be backup to Sturridge.

rob316

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Eto'o will hold second round of LFC talks tomorrow. Wants a basic salary of £135k-a-wk. LFC offering lower package closer to £90k

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2014/08/13/5030643/etoo-set-for-second-round-of-liverpool-talks?ICID=HP_HN_HP_RI_1_1

Ridiculous money for him but we appear to be desperate unless we can pull off something big in the next few weeks.
We appear to have wanted Sanchez to replace Suarez but really had no fall back when that failed. Remy was more opportunistic due to the low risk.
Its shocking that we still haven't replaced our best player with a few days to the new season, he should have been priority number 1.

rob316

Kirby wrote: »

I get that he is on a free but that is quite a high wage demand for a man that will be ostensibly be backup to Sturridge.

Also Sturridge is on 65k per week, we are going to pay his backup 135k per week, I would be pissed if I was Daniel and this happened.

Boom_Bap

Doesnt look like we will be getting Victory Moses back, quotes from Jose suggest he's required to make up the home grown players rule.

He's been talking about this alot lately, these new rules in football appear to be against his likings.


In relation to Eto'o, I think I'd be open to getting him for a season. I'd rather see us getting Falcao, but if he's unattainable, Eto'o would be a decent shout.

I recall last summer we were talking about him on here, lots of people against it, and he changed our minds pretty quickly once he started playing for CFC.

I still think that we are goign to sign Action Jackson Martinez. All the other striker talk is just a press smokescreen.
He's South American, so he fits in with the Journo rumour.

Kirby

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Doesnt look like we will be getting Victory Moses back, quotes from Jose suggest he's required to make up the home grown players rule.

How many do you think will show up for the celebratory parade around Liverpool?

klose

rob316 wrote: »

Ridiculous money for him but we appear to be desperate unless we can pull off something big in the next few weeks.
We appear to have wanted Sanchez to replace Suarez but really had no fall back when that failed. Remy was more opportunistic due to the low risk.
Its shocking that we still haven't replaced our best player with a few days to the new season, he should have been priority number 1.

But who do we replace him with? We don't in honesty. No matter who we sign we wont hit the amount of goals we did last year but if we conceade 20~ less goals due to improving the defence we will be doing brilliant.

I guess we could have payed 50+ mill on another attacker to directly replace him but then the squad suffers as a result as we would not have spend as much on it. Now we have a big squad of quality players ready to go into a 50+ game season and not a "marquee" replacement. I still expect is to buy another striker fwiw but not a major household name, there is plenty of good strikers around europe who would do a job for us.

Dickerty

rob316 wrote: »

Also Sturridge is on 65k per week, we are going to pay his backup 135k per week, I would be pissed if I was Daniel and this happened.

This is a big thing, they cannot bust the pay-scale in this way for a back up player. They have done a fine job in getting players on incentivised contracts, so unless they give him a decent basic and lots of extras for goals/appearances, I don't think it'll happen. Surely some team in Turkey or Middle East would be willing to pay the silly money...

Underpaid Mike

rob316 wrote: »

Ridiculous money for him but we appear to be desperate unless we can pull off something big in the next few weeks.
We appear to have wanted Sanchez to replace Suarez but really had no fall back when that failed. Remy was more opportunistic due to the low risk.
Its shocking that we still haven't replaced our best player with a few days to the new season, he should have been priority number 1.

People were happy to pay £20m for a season long loan of Falcao but £5m for Etoo is ridiculous ?
Etoo will score 10+ goals this season, for 4x the money is Falcao worth it? Id struggle to see how personally.

Harry Palmr

Sad about Moses!


News from within the club

Liverpool FC @LFC

#LFC have today announced a new role for Alex Inglethorpe, who now becomes the Reds' Academy director
Coach Michael Beale will now take charge of the #LFCU21s team, while a number of new football and administration appointments have been made.

Michael Beale was the U16s coach, his replacement is Pepijn Lijnders ex Porto and Ajax

Article about him here http://bentocorner.blogspot.ie/2011/04/pepijn-lijnders-further-implements-his.html

Also defender Yalany Baio released from the club is off to Palma, so not making it at youth level at a given club does not have to mean its the end (see Ricky Lambert!).

Dickerty

klose wrote: »

But who do we replace him with? We don't in honesty. No matter who we sign we wont hit the amount of goals we did last year but if we conceade 20~ less goals due to improving the defence we will be doing brilliant.

We added 30 goals last season compared to the season before, so I think it's reasonable to think we could concede a significant number less.

But both things have to happen in meaningful games. No point in having a 6-3 one week and losing 1-0 to Chelsea. We need to be able to go full-pelt for a win when needed, but also be able to shut up shop when the games demands it...

jcsoulinger

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

People were happy to pay £20m for a season long loan of Falcao but £5m for Etoo is ridiculous ?
Etoo will score 10+ goals this season, for 4x the money is Falcao worth it? Id struggle to see how personally.

People? Imo only a tiny minority would think its ok to spend that sort of money on a falcao loan.

rob316

klose wrote: »

But who do we replace him with? We don't in honesty. No matter who we sign we wont hit the amount of goals we did last year but if we conceade 20~ less goals due to improving the defence we will be doing brilliant.

I guess we could have payed 50+ mill on another attacker to directly replace him but then the squad suffers as a result as we would not have spend as much on it. Now we have a big squad of quality players ready to go into a 50+ game season and not a "marquee" replacement. I still expect is to buy another striker fwiw but not a major household name, there is plenty of good strikers around europe who would do a job for us.

Ya, I keep asking myself who can replace him but there is very little quality strikers out there available at present.

We have built a very strong squad IMO and you need that to win a league but you also need a quality defence and brilliant forwards, right now we are ticking 2 of those boxes.

Strikers above all will win you a league, we almost proved it last season by having the best.

There has been two occasions 09 and last season where we almost won it, both times we fell short because we were short of quality in one position. 09 - forwards to turn those draws to wins and last season we leaked too many goals.

A genuine top forward in this squad could go on to do great things.

daRobot

Bringing in a jaded mercenary like Eto'o, on huge wages (in comparison to our lead striker) could really upset the apple cart in terms of what players feel they deserve.

I hope to god we don't sign him, and one of the three fabled south americans are on the way.

Underpaid Mike

Since im in a random mood im gonna say we should sign Timo Wener as our 4th/3rd choice striker
19 years old and plays up front for Stuttgart. Can also play anywhere across the front 3.
He is tall, strong, very very fast and two footed. He has been compared to Sterling in Germany but he looks more a raw version of Sturridge for me. Of course strongly linked to Bayern this summer. This year is expected to be his breakout season having scored 5 and got 5 assists last season. Transfermaket.de reckons he is worth around 11m euro which would be a snip considering BR warchest.
Obligatory youtube skills and goals video

Dickerty

With all the talk of our striker options - are we ignoring the possibility that, after the Remy deal collapse, we may be happy to keep Borini? He is quick, hard working, mentally tough and he has a few goals in him. If they did a Scout Nation on him and he was a Sunderland player, I think most on here would go for him!

So maybe we stick instead of twist?

Underpaid Mike

Dickerty wrote: »

With all the talk of our striker options - are we ignoring the possibility that, after the Remy deal collapse, we may be happy to keep Borini? He is quick, hard working, mentally tough and he has a few goals in him. If they did a Scout Nation on him and he was a Sunderland player, I think most on here would go for him!

So maybe we stick instead of twist?

I would have said no no no to keeping Borini but this makes very interesting reading. Makes horrific reading when you consider we could/should/would have signed Remy for a pack of crisps and a few quid. That ship has unfortunately sailed.
Never realised just how direct and mobile Borini is, he is obviously quick its just his finishing repeatedly lets him down. His conversion rate was 14% in the first half of the season and was up to 17% in the second half. Perhaps not a bad shout but for 14m it might be too hard to turn down.

http://www.statsbomb.com/2014/07/what-type-of-striker-do-you-want-pre-shot-dribble-distance-metric-can-help/

Dickerty

Dickerty wrote: »

With all the talk of our striker options - are we ignoring the possibility that, after the Remy deal collapse, we may be happy to keep Borini? He is quick, hard working, mentally tough and he has a few goals in him. If they did a Scout Nation on him and he was a Sunderland player, I think most on here would go for him!

So maybe we stick instead of twist?

Tbh, I'd have no problem keeping Borini as long as another quality forward is brought in

DrumSteve

rarnes1 wrote: »

Tbh, I'd have no problem keeping Borini ad long as another quality forward is brought in

I'd reckon he'll be gone as soon as we get another forward in.

5live

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I predicted this about two years ago I think! (not Palace though, I reckoned Championship was his level - hang on Palace were championship two years ago!) Its been clear as day for a long while that he wasn't going to make it, and not because of his injury record. Getting a few bob counts as a success I'd say.

Do you have a link for that?












:P

Mickalus

DrumSteve wrote: »

I'd reckon he'll be gone as soon as we get another forward in.

Same here. If you look at the timing, Borini deal announced and soon thereafter Remy was due to sign. You'd presume all that work was being done in the background to make them happen round the same time.
Remy didn't sign, Borini didn't go.... yet

gafferino

rarnes1 wrote: »

Tbh, I'd have no problem keeping Borini as long as another quality forward is brought in

Yes I agree.
Unfortunately there doesnt seem to be a lot going on at the moment with strikers apart from Eto links which to me is not really good enough (maybe all that is available at the moment though and is seen as a 1 season solution).

As I said yesterday if we can add a top class striker this window it has the potential to be our best transfer window in years and set us up for the season ahead.

Underpaid Mike

gafferino wrote: »

Yes I agree.
Unfortunately there doesnt seem to be a lot going on at the moment with strikers apart from Eto links which to me is not really good enough (maybe all that is available at the moment though and is seen as a 1 season solution).

As I said yesterday if we can add a top class striker this window it has the potential to be our best transfer window in years and set us up for the season ahead.

Hard to argue that it hasnt been our best window in years
Squad looks very impressive and a quality striker would be the GIANT cherry on top

Fescue

gafferino wrote: »

Yes I agree.
Unfortunately there doesnt seem to be a lot going on at the moment with strikers apart from Eto links which to me is not really good enough (maybe all that is available at the moment though and is seen as a 1 season solution).

As I said yesterday if we can add a top class striker this window it has the potential to be our best transfer window in years and set us up for the season ahead.

Maybe I'm being pessimistic or negative but I'm beginning to have one or two doubts Reus will join. Especially after signing Moreno.

Cjs21

Hate saying it but really would not have minded Shane Long for 12 million

Underpaid Mike

Cjs21 wrote: »

Hate saying it but really would not have minded Shane Long for 12 million

Good god above, twitter would have broken permanently had that happened.
No a million times no for 12m

Also looks like Toure is staying. Im more happy about another 12 months of memes than actually having him in the squad to be honest. Means Coates and Llori will definitely leave

Kolo Toure has told Sport Ivoire that he turned down the chance to join Trabzonspor: "I have expressed my pleasure at being a #LFC player."

mormank

D'Agger wrote: »

I used to love Dembele but he's regressed hugely in the last two years.

Tis a shame really. Pretty sure he was a striker or at least a withdrawn striker when he first came to the PL, I remember thinking he looked very good as a midfielder tho. Very dynamic. No real loss I suppose seeing as I don't support Spurs or Belgium.

mormank

rob316 wrote: »

Also Sturridge is on 65k per week, we are going to pay his backup 135k per week, I would be pissed if I was Daniel and this happened.

Well he might be pissed or he may be gleefull at the thought of a well deserved raise! :P

Harry Palmr

Cjs21 wrote: »

Hate saying it but really would not have minded Shane Long for 12 million

Ah now! Jordan Rhodes money that is.

Cjs21

Cjs21 wrote: »

Hate saying it but really would not have minded Shane Long for 12 million

Really?

I think he's quite average tbh.

Also, 12m is mental for him imo. Half that is overpriced

googled eyes

Fescue wrote: »

Maybe I'm being pessimistic or negative but I'm beginning to have one or two doubts Reus will join. Especially after signing Moreno.

ben.schlomo

Cjs21 wrote: »

Hate saying it but really would not have minded Shane Long for 12 million

Id sooner give Etoo a 12million signing on fee.

That gif is right up there with the best

punk_one82

Etoo, Long...what happened to our desire? We should be signing a striker to compete with/play alongside Sturridge. We do not need another 12million pound backup - we already have Borini to fill this space. We need a clinical striker which will show our intent to try and win the league(and at least get top 4).

Gbear

rarnes1 wrote: »

Really?

I think he's quite average tbh.

Also, 12m is mental for him imo. Half that is overpriced

**** that.

He's an excellent player. Just not at our level.

ASOT

Im delighted Kolo is staying, considering all the games we have to play he will be perfect cover for both cups!

Gbear

Gbear wrote: »

**** that.

He's an excellent player. Just not at our level.

Let me consult my levels chart

ASOT

ASOT wrote: »

Im delighted Kolo is staying, considering all the games we have to play he will be perfect cover for both cups!

He's staying? Balls

Surely Agger is better cover?

Boom_Bap

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Also looks like Toure is staying. Im more happy about another 12 months of memes than actually having him in the squad to be honest. Means Coates and Llori will definitely leave

I've no problem with Toure sticking around, from what I know, he is a good character around the dressing room, commited in training, good role model.
If the academy or younger centre halves have someone like him around, it would do them no harm. He would also be able to be thrown into a game if we get hit with injuries to our centre backs.

I read something about Illori going to Cardiff on loan. I'd have no issue with this, he got game time last season, no games in the more physical English league would help his growth.

Dickerty

rarnes1 wrote: »

Let me consult my levels chart

The P-richter scale?

(not directed at anyone here!!)

Raif Severance

punk_one82 wrote: »

Etoo, Long...what happened to our desire? We should be signing a striker to compete with/play alongside Sturridge. We do not need another 12million pound backup - we already have Borini to fill this space. We need a clinical striker which will show our intent to try and win the league(and at least get top 4).

Yup.

Would rather keep Borini, than go for Eto'o. Then get another WF/Striker.

That way will have, Sturridge, New WF/Striker, Borini, and Lambert as our Strike Force.

ASOT

rarnes1 wrote: »

He's staying? Balls

Surely Agger is better cover?

He is but if we can get 12-15m for him and he wants to leave theres no point in keeping him imo. Bar the passback last season i taught Kolo was pretty solid.

Harry Palmr

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I've no problem with Toure sticking around, from what I know, he is a good character around the dressing room, commited in training, good role model.

If the academy or younger centre halves have someone like him around, it would do them no harm. He would also be able to be thrown into a game if we get hit with injuries to our centre backs.

I read something about Illori going to Cardiff on loan. I'd have no issue with this, he got game time last season, no games in the more physical English league would help his growth.

Bordeaux.

As for Toure, smacks of having a handy gig to be honest. Hope he doesn't actually play much.

Dickerty

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I read something about Illori going to Cardiff on loan. I'd have no issue with this, he got game time last season, no games in the more physical English league would help his growth.

I think that would work better than Bordeaux. He could spend time with his LFC pals when he's free, able to improve his English and how the game is played there.

I happen to think there is a holding CM in him, has the pace, passing and comfort on the ball to do itt. Maybe next year, we can have him and Can in front of Lovren and Sakho, that would be quite a wall to get through...

slingerz

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

Hard to argue that it hasnt been our best window in years
Squad looks very impressive and a quality striker would be the GIANT cherry on top

Not sure i agree totally.

Mignolet - Jones (Need a better first choice IMO not to mention backup

Manquillo - Johnson
Moreno - Enrique - Flanagan

Lovren - Sakho - Skrtel - Agger - Toure - Coates - Ilori (need to offload a few)

Gerrard - Hendo - Can - Allen - Lucas (possibly OK but i'd like to upgrade Lucas)

Lallana -Coutinho - Sterling - Markovic - Ibe

Sturridge - Lambert - Borini

I'd like an additional striking option but not sure we have had links with any of real quality, I think 4 strikers is needed for any squad. A new GK would be useful as well as replacing Lucas.