Liverpool Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP 28/8

Boom_Bap

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Bordeaux.

As for Toure, smacks of having a handy gig to be honest. Hope he doesn't actually play much.

There has been talk s of Bordeaux, but Cardiff now getting in the mix because they are losing someone....Medel maybe.

amber69

Dickerty wrote: »

I think that would work better than Bordeaux. He could spend time with his LFC pals when he's free, able to improve his English and how the game is played there.

I happen to think there is a holding CM in him, has the pace, passing and comfort on the ball to do itt. Maybe next year, we can have him and Can in front of Lovren and Sakho, that would be quite a wall to get through...

He speaks the Queens English. English mother born in London.

Dickerty

amber69 wrote: »

He speaks the Queens English. English mother born in London.

I meant Scouse English, la...

DrumSteve

Boom_Bap wrote: »

There has been talk s of Bordeaux, but Cardiff now getting in the mix because they are losing someone....Medel maybe.

Medel is already gone, is he not?

Cjs21

Long fits into our squad and style of play.

He would fit in perfectly up front in my opinion.

He's an honest hard worker who can score goals, look at him with the international team and previous clubs. He's always stood out to me.

Raif Severance

Cjs21 wrote: »

Long fits into our squad and style of play.

He would fit in perfectly up front in my opinion.

He's an honest hard worker who can score goals, look at him with the international team and previous clubs. He's always stood out to me.

Yup.

If we haven't gotten Lambert, Long would definitely have been a Good 3rd/4th-Choice Striker for us.

Dickerty

slingerz wrote: »

Mignolet - Jones (Need a better first choice IMO not to mention backup
Manquillo - Johnson
Moreno - Enrique - Flanagan
Lovren - Sakho - Skrtel - Agger - Toure - Coates - Ilori (need to offload a few)
Gerrard - Hendo - Can - Allen - Lucas (possibly OK but i'd like to upgrade Lucas)
Lallana -Coutinho - Sterling - Markovic - Ibe
Sturridge - Lambert - Borini

It's a very good squad, it missing some proven star quality. We expect a lot of Cout, Sterling, Markovic and Can, but these are all 20/21 year old guys. Most guys their age are still in college!

We can also supplement this with some guys from the youth teams, although I hope to see many of them out on loan


Lloyd Jones
McLoughlin
Rossiter
Trickett Smith
Brannagan
Teixeira (badly needs a loan)
Dunn
Lussey

(Paez & Brad Smith already out)

Their places in the reserves can be taken by the likes of Jordan Williams, Kent, Chivirella, Canos, Phillips, Wilson and Ojo coming up from the Academy, and the new arrivals from Spurs...

Dickerty

Remember when we were in Oz last summer, and they were talking about how our scouts had identified a kid playing locally that we had looked at while we were there? I always wondered what came of that...

Well - http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/football/melbourne-youngster-jake-brimmer-16-signs-threeyeardeal-with-english-premier-league-giants-liverpool/story-fnii0fc4-1226912371524?nk=3413d8f6dde8daf86231e098e4611e41

Tusky

Dickerty wrote: »

It's a very good squad, it missing some proven star quality. We expect a lot of Cout, Sterling, Markovic and Can, but these are all 20/21 year old guys. Most guys their age are still in college!
..

That's what I've been saying. It's a good squad buy sorely missing a star player. I'm over the moon at the development of Sterling, Coutiniho etc. But if we rely on them for the season it will come back to haunt us. We need a genuine Suarez replacement. Not Eto'o or any of the other recent links. Someone top quality.

Average-Ro

Does anyone know what the actual numbers were for the Suarez sale? (I might not be looking in the right place in my online search)

British papers say £75mil.

Spanish papers say £64mil.

If I remember correctly, Liverpool didn't release the figure themselves.

Dickerty

Tusky wrote: »

That's what I've been saying. It's a good squad buy sorely missing a star player. I'm over the moon at the development of Sterling, Coutiniho etc. But if we rely on them for the season it will come back to haunt us. We need a genuine Suarez replacement. Not Eto'o or any of the other recent links. Someone top quality.

Reus? What about him? Has he been mentioned?

Chip Whitley

Dickerty wrote: »

Remember when we were in Oz last summer, and they were talking about how our scouts had identified a kid playing locally that we had looked at while we were there? I always wondered what came of that...

Well - http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/football/melbourne-youngster-jake-brimmer-16-signs-threeyeardeal-with-english-premier-league-giants-liverpool/story-fnii0fc4-1226912371524?nk=3413d8f6dde8daf86231e098e4611e41

Ah jaysus, just when we started to have some good hair at the club.

djPSB

Raif Severance wrote: »

Yup.

If we haven't gotten Lambert, Long would definitely have been a Good 3rd/4th-Choice Striker for us.

Not for £12m though.

I am pie

djPSB wrote: »

Not for £12m though.

Long is far below the standard required. 96 games, 23 goals at his last two clubs in what should have been the peak of his career (2011 to today) is not good enough for a Liverpool back up. Take off the green specs. Is Lambert betteer? Yes.

Cjs21

I am pie wrote: »

Long is far below the standard required. 96 games, 23 goals at his last two clubs in what should have been the peak of his career (2011 to today) is not good enough for a Liverpool back up. Take off the green specs. Is Lambert betteer? Yes.

Hull and Ireland don't have the assistants that Liverpool have.

People look at stats rather than a player and it makes them look foolish.

Lambert is not a better player, that has been proven time and time again.

I've all the MOTD recordings from last season if you want a loan?

ASOT

Cjs21 wrote: »

Hull and Ireland don't have the assistants that Liverpool have.

People look at stats rather than a player and it makes them look foolish.

Lambert is not a better player, that has been proven time and time again.

I've all the MOTD recordings from last season if you want a loan?

But whats the main job as a Striker? To score goals. Lambert outscored long in every season they have played. He got 6 more last season.

He might not be a better player than long with his all around game but he is 100% the better striker out of the pair.

I am pie

Cjs21 wrote: »

Hull and Ireland don't have the assistants that Liverpool have.

People look at stats rather than a player and it makes them look foolish.

Lambert is not a better player, that has been proven time and time again.

I've all the MOTD recordings from last season if you want a loan?

Long is a poor enough striker in terms of his return. Plenty of other players who have scored goals outside of big teams.

Thankfully we'll not have to worry about seeing Long playing for Liverpool. Hard worker with a bit of pace, nowhere near the level required in terms of skill or finishing ability.

motd videos! :pac:

Cjs21

ASOT wrote: »

But whats the main job as a Striker? To score goals. Lambert outscored long in every season they have played. He got 6 more last season.

He might not be a better player than long with his all around game but he is 100% the better striker out of the pair.

How many times lads?

Southampton had a much stronger team than Hull.

More chances means more goals, give Long the chances we created last year he'd have 20-25 goals last season if not more.

Cjs21

I am pie wrote: »

Long is a poor enough striker in terms of his return. Plenty of other players who have scored goals outside of big teams.

Thankfully we'll not have to worry about seeing Long playing for Liverpool. Hard worker with a bit of pace, nowhere near the level required in terms of skill or finishing ability.

motd videos! :pac:

MOTD is a better source than wiki :rolleyes:

Pyjamarama

I think we have longs little brother on boards.

ASOT

Cjs21 wrote: »

How many times lads?

Southampton had a much stronger team than Hull.

More chances means more goals, give Long the chances we created last year he'd have 20-25 goals last season if not more.

Fair enough you can say that but hes only scored over 9 goals in a season once? Lamberts done it 9 times. I agree Long probally has a lot more to his game but theres no way hes a better striker. Sure look at his conversion rate even its alot poorer than rickies and that cant be down to his team mates not being as good...

Rayne Wooney

Cjs21 wrote: »

How many times lads?

Southampton had a much stronger team than Hull.

More chances means more goals, give Long the chances we created last year he'd have 20-25 goals last season if not more.

That's very simplistic, if Andy Carroll played for Barcelona would he score 40+ goals a season?

D'Agger

Cjs21 wrote: »

People look at stats rather than a player and it makes them look foolish.

Lambert is not a better player, that has been proven time and time again.

I've all the MOTD recordings from last season if you want a loan?

I'm sorry but what metric has been used 'over and over' again to prove Long is a better player? If you're not using the traditional statistics model which makes people look foolish, that is.

ASOT

D'Agger wrote: »

I'm sorry but what metric has been used 'over and over' again to prove Long is a better player? If you're not using the traditional statistics model which makes people look foolish, that is.

Hansen & Shearer said hes better on match of the day so its gospel.

SlickRic

Scudamore has said that Suarez 'hurt the Premier League's image'.

i don't think i've heard anyone at the FA say that about Joey Barton, Ben Thatcher, etc etc.

i find it incredible that they seem happy to have the pure box-office that was Luis Suarez out of England.

astounding.

D'Agger

ASOT wrote: »

Hansen & Shearer said hes better on match of the day so its gospel.

Well that's the solid proof I was looking for then, thanks for that

rossie1977

with all the talk of long here and across the web its nailed on he scores the winner on sunday.

MD1990

SlickRic wrote: »

Scudamore has said that Suarez 'hurt the Premier League's image'.

i don't think i've heard anyone at the FA say that about Joey Barton, Ben Thatcher, etc etc.

i find it incredible that they seem happy to have the pure box-office that was Luis Suarez out of England.

astounding.

Clown of a man. Don't know how u can say the PL is the best league either. Not many true World Class players left in the league. Only 4 of the 23 Ballon Do'r Nominees are in the PL.

Cjs21

Wow, you guys really don't know what your even replying to.

Before you quote something and reply read what it actually says.

Long is a better player than Lambert.

Lambert was probably much better value for what we paid for him, granted.

My original point is that Long is a better player and would fit into our squad and style of play, nobody has actually disputed this but went on about how many goals he's scored and bla bla bla

People like this give our supporters a bad name. "Our Year" supporters who don't bother going to a match only once every 5 years.

Knex*

Cjs21 wrote: »

Wow, you guys really don't know what your even replying to.

Before you quote something and reply read what it actually says.

Long is a better player than Lambert.

Lambert was probably much better value for what we paid for him, granted.

My original point is that Long is a better player and would fit into our squad and style of play, nobody has actually disputed this but went on about how many goals he's scored and bla bla bla

People like this give our supporters a bad name. "Our Year" supporters who don't bother going to a match only once every 5 years.

Thanks for the pontificating post, but just with regards to the bolded part; Since when, and according to what committee?

Long has to be one of the most overrated players of the last 5 years. People still talk about him like he's a young lad who is going to improve, as well, when the reality is that he is 27.

He is fast, industrious, and can every now and again put in a performance that makes you go, "wow". He is an above average forward, but little more than that, imo.

ratracer

Large popcorn please....

ASOT

Cjs21 wrote: »

Wow, you guys really don't know what your even replying to.

Before you quote something and reply read what it actually says.

Long is a better player than Lambert.

Lambert was probably much better value for what we paid for him, granted.

My original point is that Long is a better player and would fit into our squad and style of play, nobody has actually disputed this but went on about how many goals he's scored and bla bla bla

People like this give our supporters a bad name. "Our Year" supporters who don't bother going to a match only once every 5 years.

As a striker your suppose to score goals how can you not grasp this. Lambert scores goals, Long very rarely scores goals. Its quite simple really.

T-K-O

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

That's very simplistic, if Andy Carroll played for Barcelona would he score 40+ goals a season?

No. There is only one person who scores 40+ at Barca and he creates most of them himself.

It Long averages 7/8 goals a season with a team like West Brom scoring 15/16 at LFC or Barca is not an unrealistic shout.

Kerrigooney

We got a live one here

Pyjamarama

Defo under the bridge now!!!

ASOT

T-K-O wrote: »

No. There is only one person who scores 40+ at Barca and he creates most of them himself.

It Long averages 7/8 goals a season with a team like West Brom scoring 15/16 at LFC or Barca is not an unrealistic shout.

It is when his conversion rate is so low.

Knex*

ASOT wrote: »

It is when his conversion rate is so low.

And the fact that there is no way you could justify him starting the same amount of games, either.

Cjs21

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Defo under the bridge now!!!

Kerrigooney wrote: »

We got a live one here

ratracer wrote: »

Large popcorn please....

Can't believe it didn't take that long to prove my point.

Very funny lads, great football knowledge from you lot :rolleyes:

Rayne Wooney

T-K-O wrote: »

No. There is only one person who scores 40+ at Barca and he creates most of them himself.

It Long averages 7/8 goals a season with a team like West Brom scoring 15/16 at LFC or Barca is not an unrealistic shout.

If he played every game yeah maybe he would, but the amount of chances he would miss would see him dropped fairly quickly

Underpaid Mike

To all those talking madness about Shane Long being a good backup striker when Etoo, the same Etoo who has 30 champions league goals !!!!!!!! is not considering good enough then can I please have some of what ye are smoking ???

Shane Long is a journey man, 6 years older than Borini, slower and about as proficient. Borini is considered not good enough so how on earth is Long??

Boom_Bap

Want to see Moreno at Melwood?

https://twitter.com/Jay_78_/status/499527419033059328/photo/1

Cjs21

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

To all those talking madness about Shane Long being a good backup striker when Etoo, the same Etoo who has 30 champions league goals !!!!!!!! is not considering good enough then can I please have some of what ye are smoking ???

Shane Long is a journey man, 6 years older than Borini, slower and about as proficient. Borini is considered not good enough so how on earth is Long??

Go back to the past thread and you'll see what I have been saying about Borini, got slated for that too by the "Yes men" :rolleyes:

Knex*

Cjs21 wrote: »

Can't believe it didn't take that long to prove my point.

Very funny lads, great football knowledge from you lot :rolleyes:

I wasn't aware that we had received a football philosopher, a gift called down from Brendao himself, in order to enlighten us peasants.

However, what exact football related knowledge have you displayed?

ASOT

Knex. wrote: »

And the fact that there is no way you could justify him starting the same amount of games, either.

Dont worry we can start him in the cup, he might not score and we might lose but atleast he done all the running. :rolleyes:

ebbsy

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

To all those talking madness about Shane Long being a good backup striker when Etoo, the same Etoo who has 30 champions league goals !!!!!!!! is not considering good enough then can I please have some of what ye are smoking ???

Shane Long is a journey man, 6 years older than Borini, slower and about as proficient. Borini is considered not good enough so how on earth is Long??

+1

Shane Long is certainly not worth 15m, or anywhere near it.

rob316

Long a Liverpool player? The Hodgson days are over fella.

Lambert scored 13 goals and got 10 assists last season, there is no comparison, Long could only dream of reaching that.

mormank

ebbsy wrote: »

+1

Shane Long is certainly not worth 15m, or anywhere near it.

I believe a football player, much like most other things in this life, is worth exactly what someone else is willing to pay for it/him. There was a time Coutinho was 'worth' a mere 8.5million.

willowthewisp

Shane Long....Take off the green tinted spectacles lads.

Cjs21

Knex. wrote: »

I wasn't aware that we had received a football philosopher, a gift called down from Brendao himself, in order to enlighten us peasants.

However, what exact football related knowledge have you displayed?

Football Knowledge can be merely naming a player. Neither of the above posts that I have quoted done so.

This is beyond pointless. Liverpool FC is a football club, we are in a forum to speak about this football club, not speak about popcorn or bridges

Pyjamarama

mormank wrote: »

I believe a football player, much like most other things in this life, is worth exactly what someone else is willing to pay for it/him. There was a time Coutinho was 'worth' a mere 8.5million.

Ah there's no way that you think Carroll was worth 35m at any stage. If im willing to pay 200quid for a night of romance and dancing with you there's no guarantee you're worth that.. Tho you might be.. Any plans for the weekend?!?