UFC Fight Night 53 - Nelson vs Story

That_Guy

"Give us a smile there Rick"

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Glock Lesnar

Gunnar is one fighter that will get technically better every fight but I'm not sure he'll ever be good enough to make up for his disadvantages in size. Even Machida had to drop a division.

Gumbi

Glock Lesnar wrote: »

Gunnar is one fighter that will get technically better every fight but I'm not sure he'll ever be good enough to make up for his disadvantages in size. Even Machida had to drop a division.

He's still small for MW, he weighed 202 for LHW and had more fat on him. He weighed about 190 when he fought Weidman (see embedded) and it showed. He could easily fight at WW and not lose any muscle mass (which is a terrifying prospect - but doesn't have to, his TDD is unreal and he has nasty striking). Weidman is a huge MW though and weighs about 210 in the cage.

Kev M

Crazy scorecards, but good decision. Story won that fight. Pretty impressed with Story, very strong for a smaller guy, solid wrestling, solid chin, can punch... Once it was apparent Gunny couldn't bully him grappling, it was always an uphill battle.

JacksonHeightsOwn

Glock Lesnar wrote: »

Gunnar is one fighter that will get technically better every fight but I'm not sure he'll ever be good enough to make up for his disadvantages in size. Even Machida had to drop a division.

Fair point and id tend to agree. If i was Gunni id have an out of competition go at making 155.

I know it's easy for me to say it while I'm sitting down drinking beer and eating crisps but I've seen the grub gunni puts away for lunch first hand in a cafe around the corner from sbg, and the man can down his grub!!

CurryFlavoured

I wonder what Gunni walks around at. He isn't completely lean and I don't think he cuts much weight so I imagine he could drop a division possibly, or alternatively spend some time putting on a bit of extra muscle for power. Might seem a bit knee-jerk but things aren't going to get any easier from here.

IrishSkyBoxer

Couple of lucky wins for Connor are making sbg look much better than they are. Kavanagh has a lot to learn. Pendred looked like dog shiit tonight and Gunnar was septic. Dave Jones will be smiling tonight.

Glock Lesnar

Gumbi wrote: »

He's still small for MW, he weighed 202 for LHW and had more fat on him. He weighed about 190 when he fought Weidman (see embedded) and it showed. He could easily fight at WW and not lose any muscle mass. Weidman is a huge MW though and weighs about 210 in the cage.

He's very cut at MW, I can't imagine him losing another 15 lbs without dropping some size.

Gumbi

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

I wonder what Gunni walks around at. He isn't completely lean and I don't think he cuts much weight so I imagine he could drop a division possibly, or alternatively spend some time putting on a bit of extra muscle for power. Might seem a bit knee-jerk but things aren't going to get any easier from here.

Easily. He weighed 175 in a CW bout recently where his opponent weighed 183.

peteeeed

Ufc fight night Stockholm , curse of the Vikings

Glock Lesnar

IrishSkyBoxer wrote: »

Couple of lucky wins for Connor are making sbg look much better than they are. Kavanagh has a lot to learn. Pendred looked like dog shiit tonight and Gunnar was septic. Dave Jones will be smiling tonight.

I know you're trolling but I don't think you're totally wrong with regards to SBG, calling Conor's wons lucky is making anything you say invalid though.

CurryFlavoured

It was a bit weird how calm Kavanagh was. It was obvious by round 3 that Gunni was in for a massive battle.

mailburner

Glock Lesnar wrote: »

50-44 wasn't that outrageous, the knockdown was worthy of a 10-8 and I don't think Gunnar won any rounds clearly.

agreed

far more scandalous was one judge giving gunni the verdict
that to me would have been one of the worst calls of all time

darced

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Mr. CooL ICE

Credit where credit is due, Story looked fantastic. He had a perfect gameplan and stuck to it. Disagree with the 50-44 though

Glock Lesnar

I can't understand why everyone at SBG isn't a top level boxer, it's something that serves McGregor so well and there's a great boxing tradition in this country. Pendred's striking is glacial, it's slow and it's not technical. Gunnar's unorthodox style works but if he could switch it up to a traditional boxing style he could catch opponents off guard.

darced

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darced

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Glock Lesnar

darced wrote: »

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I'm not sure he's as athletic or really as physically gifted in any way. He's not as intimidating either, Story would never have imposed himself on Conor like that.

Gumbi

Glock Lesnar wrote: »

He's very cut at MW, I can't imagine him losing another 15 lbs without dropping some size.

People are weighing more than Machida when they fight at WW by cutting lots of water.

mailburner

think this win will make gunni better but not sure he will ever be a top 5 guy
that imo was evident against cummings
story the first big test and by far the best he has faced so far

must admit when story beat hendricks and alves I honestly thought he was 2/3 fights away from fighting for the belt, takes a fight against brenneman
at short notice which he lost and loses a couple more fights to opponents like
pyle who he's much better than
always wondered what happened to story, really hope he goes on a run now

Glock Lesnar

He looks very dry at 185, the cut to 170 would leave him drained.

Gumbi wrote: »

People are weighing more than Machida when they fight at WW by cutting lots of water.

Gumbi

Nope. Check him at LHW. He would weighed in at 202. Some WWs are WEIGH 200 in the cage. And Machida weighs less than he did at LHW (less fat on him). He would FOR SURE be able to fight WW IF he wanted. But he does rely on his speed so maybe he doesn't want to.

Dtp1979

Did paddy hoolihan win?

Gumbi

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Did paddy hoolihan win?

That card hasn't even started yet.

Dtp1979

Gumbi wrote: »

That card hasn't even started yet.

Oh. He's on tonight's card? I thought it was the Sweden card

Gumbi

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Oh. He's on tonight's card? I thought it was the Sweden card

Yep. Nope.

riffmongous

Siver and Rosa got FOTN surprise surprise

http://mmajunkie.com/2014/10/ufc-fight-night-53-bonuses-siver-and-rosa-earn-50000-fotn-awards

Zero-Cool

Saipanne

sheehy83 wrote: »

You'd swear nelson won.

mailburner

riffmongous wrote: »

Siver and Rosa got FOTN surprise surprise

http://mmajunkie.com/2014/10/ufc-fight-night-53-bonuses-siver-and-rosa-earn-50000-fotn-awards

I wouldnt argue with that but for a fight like the story nelson one not to get it when it went the distance and being a great fight surprises me very much
It's happened so often in the past where main events have got it for just going the distance ahead of 3 round classics, gsp title fights the best example I can think of
not sure which ones exactly but the gsp fitch was one of them which was anything but fotn

mailburner

paddys on in about 7 mins

can't wait

Wrongway1985

mailburner wrote: »

I wouldnt argue with that but for a fight like the story nelson one not to get it when it went the distance and being a great fight surprises me very much
It's happened so often in the past where main events have got it for just going the distance ahead of 3 round classics, gsp title fights the best example I can think of
not sure which ones exactly but the gsp fitch was one of them which was anything but fotn

Maybe GSP Koscheck? One sided affair GSP winning all 5 rounds. On that card here was some unknown who stepped on short notice on the prelims lost first 2 rounds but came back in the third and got a draw no bonus for efforts.

mailburner

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Maybe GSP Koscheck? One sided affair GSP winning all 5 rounds. On that card here was some unknown who stepped on short notice on the prelims lost first 2 rounds but came back in the third and got a draw no bonus for efforts.

absolutely, gsp kos another perfect example
remember backing fights on these cards and feeling like I was robbed
the reason why I don't touch the fotn market anymore

Wrongway1985

mailburner wrote: »

absolutely, gsp kos another perfect example
remember backing fights on these cards and feeling like I was robbed
the reason why I don't touch the fotn market anymore

I'd find it a tough nut to crack without obstacles in the way even, who woulda thought Kennedy Romero would have been FOTN at UFC178.

darced

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mailburner

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

I'd find it a tough nut to crack without obstacles in the way even, who woulda thought Kennedy Romero would have been FOTN at UFC178.

exactly, reason why its a market to avoid
everyone expected a borefest, reminds me of when fitch/penn got fotn

Gumbi

darced wrote: »

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Ya he took a lot of punishment there. He was doing OK in the standup as he was faster and he has a decent style. But he was too eager to grapple with yer man.

He recovered really well between rounds 2 and 3, I have to say I was impressed with that.

Not really next FlyW champ material though:rolleyes:

JacksonHeightsOwn

I think the sbg guys where believing in their own hype just a wee bit.

Hopefully this will give them a kick up the arse, in the right way.

Photo-Sniper

As a bit of a UFC noob (well not really) I just havent watched it in a long time. Why is Nelson fighting out of SBG? Hes Icelandic?

bgrove

Rough night for SBG,......worse f####n night for my bet365 account!

ps3man

bgrove wrote: »

Rough night for SBG,......worse f####n night for my bet365 account!

Just goes to show the difference having your home crowd behind you actually does make.

bgrove

ps3man wrote: »

Just goes to show the difference having your home crowd behind you actually does make.

Ya, if it was a three round fight I'd say nelson could have pulled it out. Not much seemed to go his way, the low hands and vulnerability to leg kicks all combined to scupper him? Nice wedge gone....ah well

johnpro

El Guapo! wrote: »

I'm waiting for a miraculous flying triangle from Gunni.

I'm Still waiting....clutching a paddy power slip full of broken dreams....can't believe it, he just didn't seem to flip the kill switch like in previous fights

pedro1234

bgrove wrote: »

Rough night for SBG,......worse f####n night for my bet365 account!

Mine too man. Such is life though!

Mellor

chrisbonnie wrote: »

I think the sbg guys where believing in their own hype just a wee bit.

Hopefully this will give them a kick up the arse, in the right way.

The above might make sense, if they got into a fight vastly out of their depth, or had a lax approach to preparing. But I've no reason to thin they weren't committed to training and simply lost to closely match opponents.

Garseys

I think the SBG guys were given well matched opponents. Gunni, Paddy & Cathal all went to decision.

Really enjoyed Story vs Nelson. Story put in a great performance.

adamski8

The score in nelsons favour was much worse than the 50-44. I would have said 49-46 was a fair reflexion which is what the 2nd judge scored it. Always going to be tough for nelson against a huge ww with good wrestling as a defense.

I know john said he believed gunni was winning but a lot of coaches lie to their fighters about that. What was john to say. Gunni just needed to recover and not hear he needed to KO rick as i dont think thats gunnis game really. Commentators were so bias towards gunni as well!

scudzilla

I just can't get my head around 1 judge giving it 50-44, and people here saying that could well have been a 10-8 round.

C'mon, you don't get a 10-8 for just knocking someone on their arse, a 10-8 is dominance for the full 5mins, which IMO it wasn't

monkey8

Very poor performances from pendred and nelson.
Both have terrible stand up.
Couldn't believe pendred didn't adapt his gameplan when it was obvious that leading with huge easily telegraphed uppercuts and hooks was not working.

Nelson's stand up has never looked crisp.
He has machida's style without any of the accuracy.
Thought he struggled against a very average Cummings in his last fight.

Talk of him becoming champion was very premature IMO.
His game is not well rounded enough.

To be honest I think neither guy will ever be top 5
If their stand up has not reached a decent level by this stage it will never be good enough to break into the top 5