Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

humanji

TommyKnocker wrote: »

Article from Pink Floyd's Roger Waters

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/25/pink_floyds_roger_waters_why_moral_perversity_of_u_s_position_in_gaza_is_stunning/


And a response from Rabbi Shmuley Boteach :rolleyes::rolleyes:

http://observer.com/2013/12/the-anti-semitic-stench-of-pink-floyd/

That response is to the previous article Waters made.

Son Of A Vidic

TommyKnocker wrote: »

Wow, How messed up are the israeli zionists?

http://972mag.com/nstt_feeditem/israelis-on-facebook-wish-death-for-holocaust-survivors-against-protective-edge/

Once again these Zionist nut jobs, emphasis the correlation between extreme psychotic ideologies like Zionism & Nazism. So it's no surprise to see Zionists abusing Holocaust survivors like that. After all, the Holocaust survivors made the grave mistake of standing up for common humanity, justice and reason. And such tenets are completely anathema to Zionists.

Fiolina

Just hearing news that a ceasefire has been agreed......

bumper234

Let's see how long this lasts

http://news.sky.com/story/1324992/hamas-claims-open-ended-ceasefire-agreed

An agreement has been reached between Israel and the Palestinian authorities over a ceasefire in Gaza, a Hamas spokesman has said.

The official claimed that an "open-ended" ceasefire has been agreed to end the seven week long war that has led to the deaths of more than 2,000 people.

There was no Israeli comment.

PLUG71

http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/hamas-gaza-ceasefire-agreed-640232.html

eeepaulo

bumper234 wrote: »

Let's see how long this lasts

http://news.sky.com/story/1324992/hamas-claims-open-ended-ceasefire-agreed

It is worrying that israeli sources are not commenting, i hope they are not going to punish the palestinians more before accepting.

Son Of A Vidic

eeepaulo wrote: »

i hope they are not going to punish the palestinians more before accepting.

In keeping with their previous patterns, you can be sure they will be intensifying their airstrikes before the ceasefire kicks in.

user2011

The objectors to military service in Israel.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/18/world/meast/israel-refusers/index.html

The usual nonsense in it, the hate the threats of death for them refusing to serve their country.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

In keeping with their previous patterns, you can be sure they will be intensifying their airstrikes before the ceasefire kicks in.

In fairness I've never seen them do that, it serves little purpose.

I've seen them intensify artillery as part of a tactical withdrawal from an area prior to a ceasefire but never aerial bombardment (its rather expensive, even if someone else is supplying it stocks are limited).

eeepaulo

Aurelia Melted Surfer wrote: »

In fairness I've never seen them do that, it serves little purpose.

I've seen them intensify artillery as part of a tactical withdrawal from an area prior to a ceasefire but never aerial bombardment (its rather expensive, even if someone else is supplying it stocks are limited).

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/aug/31/israelandthepalestinians.syria

"What's shocking - and I would say to me completely immoral - is that 90% of the cluster bomb strikes occurred in the last 72 hours of the conflict, when we knew there would be a resolution," Mr Egeland said. "Every day people are maimed, wounded and are killed by these ordnance."

DarkyHughes

wendell borton wrote: »

A bit apples and oranges, The IRA weren't exactly an existential threat to the UK, well the "mainland" anyway, while hamas want the complete destruction of Israel.

Wanting and doing are two different things. The IRA actually did cause a good deal of destruction to the UK mainland (Bishopsgate, Deal barracks, center of Manchester. Docklands, the Old bailey, countless pubs etc...) You'll be waiting a while before Hamas manage to even vandalize a lamppost in any major Israel city.

And when Hamas entered into a coalition with the PNA they were basically accepting the fact Israel has a right to exist in peace. but sure don't let the Zionist lobby propaganda cloud your judgement

Son Of A Vidic

Aurelia Melted Surfer wrote: »

In fairness I've never seen them do that it serves little purpose.

I have and and I've seen it reported on France 24, Al Jazerra and even Sky News. And if you monitored previous reports following the last ceasefires, you would have noticed it. And course it serves a purpose. The IDF always welcomes an opportunity to up their Palestinian kill ratio. Also note, my mentioning airstrikes in my last post, may have been interpreted as excluding other methods of IDF attack - artillery, AH-64 Apaches ect, ect. That wasn't my intention, because I expect that all methods of attack, could be utilised before the next ceasefire kicks in.

Son Of A Vidic

Awkward Badger wrote: »

And yet you here the same idiotic drivel pumped out again and again (particularly in the US media by utter simpletons like Sean Hannity etc)

In fairness, Sean Hannity probably can't spell his own name. You're more likely to get reasoned political thought coming from a carrot, than from the likes of him.

tayto lover

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

I have and and I've seen it reported on France 24, Al Jazerra and even Sky News. And if you monitored previous reports following the last ceasefires, you would have noticed it. And course it serves a purpose. The IDF always welcomes an opportunity to up their Palestinian kill ratio. Also note, my mentioning airstrikes in my last post, may have been interpreted as excluding other methods of IDF attack - artillery, AH-64 Apaches ect, ect. That wasn't my intention, because I expect that all methods of attack, could be utilised before the next ceasefire kicks in.

The blood lust has to be satisfied.

Fiolina

Watching the celebrations in Gaza it's amazing how bloody resilient the people are. Hope people here will continue to boycott israeli goods.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

I have and and I've seen it reported on France 24, Al Jazerra and even Sky News. And if you monitored previous reports following the last ceasefires, you would have noticed it. And course it serves a purpose. The IDF always welcomes an opportunity to up their Palestinian kill ratio. Also note, my mentioning airstrikes in my last post, may have been interpreted as excluding other methods of IDF attack - artillery, AH-64 Apaches ect, ect. That wasn't my intention, because I expect that all methods of attack, could be utilised before the next ceasefire kicks in.

So you have seen this first hand?.

You see its very hard to debate these things with people who want to believe this ~ how do I disprove it to you?.. Tbh I don't try, instead I just type up what I've seen myself over the last 20+ years.

And tbh if you know there's a prospect of a ceasefire looming its no reason is ease off on the fighting, I'm sure Hamas didn't let off on the rocket strikes. Politics isn't watch military tacticians do ~ they fight until the bell, and includes Hamas leaders too.

conditioned games

Bad day for israel, gave into terrorists. They won our respect and now they drop their guard. Taking a soft approach is inviting trouble. They need to protect their borders or they will be wiped out. Get it together israel your better than this.

pajor

I should be more eloquent and make more of a contribution - but simply thank fúck there's a proper ceasefire.

Nodin

conditioned games wrote: »

Bad day for israel, gave into terrorists. They won our respect and now they drop their guard. Taking a soft approach is inviting trouble. They need to protect their borders or they will be wiped out. Get it together israel your better than this.

I'm glad they have loyal supporters in you and your goldfish.

arybvtcw0eolkf

conditioned games wrote: »

Bad day for israel, gave into terrorists. They won our respect and now they drop their guard. Taking a soft approach is inviting trouble. They need to protect their borders or they will be wiped out. Get it together israel your better than this.

Says you from the comfort of where?.

Tuisceanch

Nodin wrote: »

I'm glad they have loyal supporters in you and your goldfish.

Hey! Lay off the goldfish.

Nodin

Tuisceanch wrote: »

Hey! Lay off the goldfish.

He knew what he was supporting for the 5 seconds it was in his brain.

bumper234

conditioned games wrote: »

Bad day for israel, gave into terrorists. They won our respect and now they drop their guard. Taking a soft approach is inviting trouble. They need to protect their borders or they will be wiped out. Get it together israel your better than this.

Idiotic post is idiotic

bumper234

Good write up here

Israel's Military Plan in Gaza, and the Strengthening of Hamas

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5709143?utm_hp_ref=tw

Israel believes if it squeezes hard it will win. Israel's intention is clear: weaken Hamas and never give them the credit of ending the siege. To pursue this goal, Israel is killing more children, women, and elderly, completely destroying whole parts of Gaza and its infrastructure.

Tuisceanch

“Outstanding Psychopath of the Year” at the 2014 Emmy Awards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss4Tq6BC_Tg#t=255

woodoo

Fiolina wrote: »

Watching the celebrations in Gaza it's amazing how bloody resilient the people are. Hope people here will continue to boycott israeli goods.

Absolutely this is not over. If you murdered someone the long arm of the law would still be after you. The same applies to the murdering IDF/Israel. Just because they have stopped killing (for now) doesn't mean all is la dee da. I'm as angry tonight at Israel as i have been over the last 5 weeks or even 5 years.

Son Of A Vidic

Aurelia Melted Surfer wrote: »

So you have seen this first hand?.

Is there a more sanitised expression you'd prefer me to use? Maybe a more IDF friendly expression one could use? Sorry, for me I'm afraid there really isn't. Someone would need to be extremely blinkered, to try and excuse the indiscriminate IDF 'war' on the civilians of Gaza and the causalities inflicted upon them. The casualty data below speaks for itself.

Aurelia Melted Surfer wrote: »

You see its very hard to debate these things with people who want to believe this ~ how do I disprove it to you?

Debate what? Hard data like casualty lists? The appalling casualties incurred by the civilian population of Gaza cannot be excused away.

Last updated: 07:00 GMT, 24 August 2014
Total killed: 2122
Total civilians killed: 1633
Total children killed: 507
Total women killed: 292
Total Militants killed: 489

http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10491:statistics-victims-of-the-israeli-offensive-on-gaza-since-08-july-2014&catid=145:in-focus#

There is no debating the killing and wounded of 3731 children by the IDF. When you compare the Palestinian civilian deaths to Israeli civilians deaths, the results are simply horrifying - 408 Palestinian civilians dead for every Israeli. 507 Palestinian children for one Israeli child. Even Himmler would be impressed with such a ratio.

The deaths of all civilians, Israeli or Palestinian is tragic and utterly contemptible to me. And maybe I need to revise my earlier 'Kill ratio' comments. Because when I look at the comparative causalities, I think 'bloodlust’ is probably a much more suitable expression.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Is there a more sanitised expression you'd prefer me to use? Maybe a more IDF friendly expression one could use? Sorry, for me I'm afraid there really isn't.

All you had to say was "no".

Continue to get your views and opinion from media sources, in the mean time I'll do the dirty work.

Goodnight.

ahmdoda

every time there is a conflict Hamas have gotten stronger and more advanced its great to finally hear about the truce but the next time a conflict erupt Hamas will be stronger again and in a couple of decades Israel will cease to exist ~ probably by 2027

Nodin

ahmdoda wrote: »

every time there is a conflict Hamas have gotten stronger and more advanced its great to finally hear about the truce but the next time a conflict erupt Hamas will be stronger again and in a couple of decades Israel will cease to exist ~ probably by 2027

They have the bomb and are a US ally - they aren't going anywhere.

JC01

ahmdoda wrote: »

every time there is a conflict Hamas have gotten stronger and more advanced its great to finally hear about the truce but the next time a conflict erupt Hamas will be stronger again and in a couple of decades Israel will cease to exist ~ probably by 2027

You think that in 13 years Hamas will be able to wipe out one of the most powerful militaries in the world?

If anything comes out of this conflict I think it will be an increase of momentum on Gazas part to abandon terrorist organisations in place of more moderate politicians and in doing so the opening of doors leading to proper international (and Isreali) recognition as a state.

In an admittedly messed up way, I think if this were to happen it would actually prove Israel right in their actions, I.e they have shown military resistance is utterly useless and in doing so "helped" Gaza advance as a "state"

* before anyone jumps down my throat I am not justifying the killing of babies, wiping out of families etc but I think my point is fairly clear

Tuisceanch

ahmdoda wrote: »

every time there is a conflict Hamas have gotten stronger and more advanced its great to finally hear about the truce but the next time a conflict erupt Hamas will be stronger again and in a couple of decades Israel will cease to exist ~ probably by 2027

Any other predictions?

Nodin

JC01 wrote: »

You think that in 13 years Hamas will be able to wipe out one of the most powerful militaries in the world?

If anything comes out of this conflict I think it will be an increase of momentum on Gazas part to abandon terrorist organisations in place of more moderate politicians and in doing so the opening of doors leading to proper international (and Isreali) recognition as a state.

In an admittedly messed up way, I think if this were to happen it would actually prove Israel right in their actions, I.e they have shown military resistance is utterly useless and in doing so "helped" Gaza advance as a "state"

* before anyone jumps down my throat I am not justifying the killing of babies, wiping out of families etc but I think my point is fairly clear

They couldn't give a crap. They'll stop when either (a) something stops them or the more likely (b) they'll stop when they've grabbed enough of Arab East Jerusalem and the West Bank. Gaza and whatever is left will be made semi-autonomous Bantustans.

Son Of A Vidic

Aurelia Melted Surfer wrote: »

All you had to say was "no".

Continue to get your views and opinion from media sources, in the mean time I'll do the dirty work.

Goodnight.

Say 'No' and what? Play down and trivialise the deaths and suffering of innocent civilians. Sorry that's not from me, I don't engage in tabloid style, monosyllabic posting. I am not going to speak of the suffering of Palestinian civilians and not reference the medical data (The Causalities).

Media sources? Sorry, I try to avoid cowboy sources. Which is why I referenced the globally recognised and respected PCHR......

The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) is a Non-Governmental Organisation (NGO) based in Gaza City. The Centre is a non-profit company, dedicated to protecting human rights, promoting the rule of law and upholding democratic principles in the Occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT). It holds Special Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) of the United Nations. It is an affiliate of the International Commission of Jurists-Geneva, the International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH) – Paris, the Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Network - Copenhagen, the International Legal Assistance Consortium (ILAC) – Stockholm, the World Coalition against the Death Penalty, and the Arab Organization for Human Rights – Cairo. PCHR is a recipient of the 1996 French Republic Award on Human Rights, the 2002 Bruno Kreisky Award for Outstanding Achievements in the Area of Human Rights, the 2003 International Services Human Rights Award (UNAIS) and the 2009 Human Rights Prize of Andalucia. The Centre was established in 1995 by a group of Palestinian lawyers and human rights activists in order to:

http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3027&Itemid=182


Surely you of all people, know the importance of backing up a statement or any claim during a discussion? Which is precisely what I did in my last post. I'm not going to insult you or myself, but spewing out unverifiable nonsense.

ahmdoda

JC01 wrote: »

You think that in 13 years Hamas will be able to wipe out one of the most powerful militaries in the world?

If anything comes out of this conflict I think it will be an increase of momentum on Gazas part to abandon terrorist organisations in place of more moderate politicians and in doing so the opening of doors leading to proper international (and Isreali) recognition as a state.

In an admittedly messed up way, I think if this were to happen it would actually prove Israel right in their actions, I.e they have shown military resistance is utterly useless and in doing so "helped" Gaza advance as a "state"

* before anyone jumps down my throat I am not justifying the killing of babies, wiping out of families etc but I think my point is fairly clear

Israel was a country created out of oppression to people that did no harm to the Jews but were in fact living peacefully with them until this Zionist agenda rose and just like every system & nation that rose out of oppression and transgression the end result would be its destruction even if it had the present power to continue its existence.
Just like a child growing from weakness into a strong adult and then a weak old man and history is enough to prove this.
As for 2027 i believe that generations change every 40 years. The Jews wondered the desert for 40 years before entering the promised land in order to change the old,tired and weak generation with a new stronger generation. 1948 marked the Palestinian exodus the next 40 years it was an Intifada and a resistance and next 40 years will mark significant advances in the resistance.
During only 5 years between the last and the current conflict Hamas have advanced further, 13 years is a lot of time and while the future for a Palestinian state my be bleak if Israel doesn't enter Gaza and wipe out every bit of resistance the future will belong to Palestine.

shedweller

ahmdoda wrote: »

Israel was a country created out of oppression to people that did no harm to the Jews but were in fact living peacefully with them until this Zionist agenda rose and just like every system & nation that rose out of oppression and transgression the end result would be its destruction even if it had the present power to continue its existence.
Just like a child growing from weakness into a strong adult and then a weak old man and history is enough to prove this.
As for 2027 i believe that generations change every 40 years. The Jews wondered the desert for 40 years before entering the promised land in order to change the old,tired and weak generation with a new stronger generation. 1948 marked the Palestinian exodus the next 40 years it was an Intifada and a resistance and next 40 years will mark significant advances in the resistance.
During only 5 years between the last and the current conflict Hamas have advanced further, 13 years is a lot of time and while the future for a Palestinian state my be bleak if Israel doesn't enter Gaza and wipe out every bit of resistance the future will belong to Palestine.

And wipe out Palestine they will. While telling the world they aren't. And are such nice people.
Which is why we need to be wide to their (the zionists)tricks. I personally regard their eurovision entrant as being part of that. I mean, who would dare say anything bad about a gay jew (i know; jews are not always zionists)singing for their country?
They had that one sewed up thats for sure!

AngryHippie

ahmdoda wrote: »

I The Jews wondered the desert for 40 years before entering the promised land in order to change the old,tired and weak generation with a new stronger generation. 1948 marked the Palestinian exodus the next 40 years it was an Intifada and a resistance and next 40 years will mark significant advances in the resistance.

Do you believe what is written in the old testament as a statement of fact?
Or are you just using it as a convenient children's story to back up your fanciful view of the situation in the Levant as being part of some sort of cycle ???

Statements like this really don't add to any sort of intelligent discussion or debate about the situation. I'm not saying your not entitled to your opinion, but if you are going use a book as credible as Lord of the Rings as the basis for your opinions, then be prepared for everyone not to take you seriously...

Tuisceanch

ahmdoda wrote: »

Israel was a country created out of oppression to people that did no harm to the Jews but were in fact living peacefully with them until this Zionist agenda rose and just like every system & nation that rose out of oppression and transgression the end result would be its destruction even if it had the present power to continue its existence.
Just like a child growing from weakness into a strong adult and then a weak old man and history is enough to prove this.
As for 2027 i believe that generations change every 40 years. The Jews wondered the desert for 40 years before entering the promised land in order to change the old,tired and weak generation with a new stronger generation. 1948 marked the Palestinian exodus the next 40 years it was an Intifada and a resistance and next 40 years will mark significant advances in the resistance.
During only 5 years between the last and the current conflict Hamas have advanced further, 13 years is a lot of time and while the future for a Palestinian state my be bleak if Israel doesn't enter Gaza and wipe out every bit of resistance the future will belong to Palestine.

4,5,11,13 ..Numerology bingo and the prize is that you can join us in the next dimension:cool:

shedweller

AngryHippie wrote: »

Do you believe what is written in the old testament as a statement of fact?
Or are you just using it as a convenient children's story to back up your fanciful view of the situation in the Levant as being part of some sort of cycle ???

Statements like this really don't add to any sort of intelligent discussion or debate about the situation. I'm not saying your not entitled to your opinion, but if you are going use a book as credible as Lord of the Rings as the basis for your opinions, then be prepared for everyone not to take you seriously...

See, this is where education is turning this kind of thing on its head. Most rational people think "this is a trailer load of bollix" quite early in their lives when it comes to religion.

But not our middle eastern brethren.

Tuisceanch

Blood On Our Hands - Chris & Sheree Geo - GAZA Graphic Video MUSIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZYOubgAKsE

"Would you support genocide, if you had to pull the trigger
Look into the eyes of a child then kill her
Would you still want to lynch me, when I step in and stop it
or would you then admit, you're being led like a puppet?"

shedweller

Tuisceanch wrote: »

Blood On Our Hands - Chris & Sheree Geo - GAZA Graphic Video MUSIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZYOubgAKsE

"Would you support genocide, if you had to pull the trigger
Look into the eyes of a child then kill her
Would you still want to lynch me, when I step in and stop it
or would you then admit, you're being led like a puppet?"

I do think there is a type of us that is more easily brainwashed.
This type is the type that can rationalise killing people just to expand its borders. Of course, it wont be said like that to them. It'll have savage passion and biblical sh1t going on. Perfectly designed to garner maximum support.
(A bit like hollywood used to)
But people are becoming more educated nowadays. Less likely to go snackbarring like theres no tomorrow. Education could be said to be the enemy to these zionists then, couldn't it?
Which, to me anyway, puts the degeneration of the education system into perspective.

Anyway, i digress. Back to pointless anger and rage at whats going on in Palestine!

Because it really is pointless unless we wake the feck up and start sh1t like buycott israeli goods etc.

DarkyHughes

Great interview here with Norman Finkelstein about the Gaza massacre, Blair the vampire, Obama the enabler, the Hamas upgraded fireworks & the myth of the Iron dome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvBZhe7nU2M

DarkyHughes

conditioned games wrote: »

Bad day for israel, gave into terrorists. They won our respect and now they drop their guard. Taking a soft approach is inviting trouble. They need to protect their borders or they will be wiped out. Get it together israel your better than this.

Maybe you haven't looked outside your window but there's been nothing but protests against Israel since the start of their massacre up & down the length of this country. If anyone has won any new respect it's Hamas & the people of Gaza for their show of courage & bravery in the face of such aggression.

Although I was a little disappointed they recognized the state of Israel. I don't recognize it just like I didn't recognize the apartheid South Africa state.

conditioned games

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Maybe you haven't looked outside your window but there's been nothing but protests against Israel since the start of their massacre up & down the length of this country. If anyone has won any new respect it's Hamas & the people of Gaza for their show of courage & bravery in the face of such aggression.

Feckin Clowns is what they are. 15 times as many been killed in Syria and Iraq, Christians and Druze's been surrounded and massacacred and not a peep out of the dumb Irish. Easily known Israel have to use a heavy hand to protect themselves as Hamas/Jihadist's/ Palestine's lie outside their border ready to do the same to them. Israel stand up for yourself, last time they tried appeasement in 1942 their people paid a heavy price.

JC01

ahmdoda wrote: »

Israel was a country created out of oppression to people that did no harm to the Jews but were in fact living peacefully with them until this Zionist agenda rose and just like every system & nation that rose out of oppression and transgression the end result would be its destruction even if it had the present power to continue its existence.
Just like a child growing from weakness into a strong adult and then a weak old man and history is enough to prove this.
As for 2027 i believe that generations change every 40 years. The Jews wondered the desert for 40 years before entering the promised land in order to change the old,tired and weak generation with a new stronger generation. 1948 marked the Palestinian exodus the next 40 years it was an Intifada and a resistance and next 40 years will mark significant advances in the resistance.
During only 5 years between the last and the current conflict Hamas have advanced further, 13 years is a lot of time and while the future for a Palestinian state my be bleak if Israel doesn't enter Gaza and wipe out every bit of resistance the future will belong to Palestine.

Who wer these people that did no harm to the Jews? Because from my understanding of it the majority of the Arab world has tried to annihilate Israel at one point or another. Israel basically spent the period of the mid 40s to the late 60s fighting for survival on all sides.

Il ignore the whole Bible thing.

But back to my original question, do you think that in 13 years Hamas will be able to destroy one of the most powerful militaries in the world?

wes

JC01 wrote: »

Who wer these people that did no harm to the Jews?

I assume the poster you replied was referring to the period before Zionist colonists started to arrive in Palestine.

JC01 wrote: »

Because from my understanding of it the majority of the Arab world has tried to annihilate Israel at one point or another. Israel basically spent the period of the mid 40s to the late 60s fighting for survival on all sides.

Hardly an accurate description. The 1948 conflict was started by Israel, as the Arab states didn't attack until Zionists started expelling Palestinians. In 1956 Israel, France and UK, attacked Egypt due to Egypt nationalizing the Suez canal, and in 1967 Israel again attacked first claiming it was a pre-emptive strike, and the only time the Arabs states attacked Israel first was the Yom Kippur war.

Israel's versions of events basically makes them out to be completely innocent, when the simple fact is that Israel is a state founded by European colonists quoting bits of the bible to justify there land claim.

wes

conditioned games wrote: »

Feckin Clowns is what they are. 15 times as many been killed in Syria and Iraq, Christians and Druze's been surrounded and massacacred and not a peep out of the dumb Irish.

There is another thread discussing ISIS. Suffice to say the 2 conflicts are rather different. For example ISIS are being actively bombed, aid being provided to there victims and weapons provided to those fighting them from the international community. We see no such action being taken in regards to Israel, and hence the rather large difference. In fact Israel was given weapons to continue there slaughter of Palestinians during the most recent conflict, which of course displays the utter hypocrisy of the West, bombing ISIS on the one hand, and giving weapons to Israel to murder Palestinians with.

conditioned games wrote: »

Easily known Israel have to use a heavy hand to protect themselves as Hamas/Jihadist's/ Palestine's lie outside their border ready to do the same to them.

Thats an interesting thing to say. Seeing as Israel are the ones invading Palestinian land in the West Bank and have put Gaza under siege. The entire notion that Israel an occupying power that is actively stealing land on a daily basis is some how engaged in self defense is laughable fiction that far to many seems to come out with time and again.

conditioned games wrote: »

Israel stand up for yourself, last time they tried appeasement in 1942 their people paid a heavy price.

Israel didn't exist in 1942...... Also comparing an occupied people to Nazi's is complete and utter nonsense.

Tuisceanch

conditioned games wrote: »

Feckin Clowns is what they are. 15 times as many been killed in Syria and Iraq, Christians and Druze's been surrounded and massacacred and not a peep out of the dumb Irish. Easily known Israel have to use a heavy hand to protect themselves as Hamas/Jihadist's/ Palestine's lie outside their border ready to do the same to them. Israel stand up for yourself, last time they tried appeasement in 1942 their people paid a heavy price.

wes wrote: »

Israel didn't exist in 1942...... Also comparing an occupied people to Nazi's is complete and utter nonsense.

And it's a knockout. Sorry to our viewers for this poor contest.

DarkyHughes

conditioned games wrote: »

Feckin Clowns is what they are. 15 times as many been killed in Syria and Iraq, Christians and Druze's been surrounded and massacacred and not a peep out of the dumb Irish. Easily known Israel have to use a heavy hand to protect themselves as Hamas/Jihadist's/ Palestine's lie outside their border ready to do the same to them. Israel stand up for yourself, last time they tried appeasement in 1942 their people paid a heavy price.

Antisemitism (you basically called Jews cowards), racism (you called Irish people dumb) & bigotry (against Muslims) all in the one post. They did stand up for themselves in WW2, ever hear of an event called the Warsaw Uprising? Well it's pretty similar to what the people of Gaza were doing, The occupiers of Warsaw called the resistance their terrorists just like the occupiers of Gaza call the resistance terrorists.

And for the record Hamas fighters are not terrorists or militants they are the legit government of Gaza, they are soldiers & unlike Israel they only have small arms to fight with.

Well done Hamas & to the people of Gaza for your victory in the face of such overwhelming aggression, you've paid a heavy price but won the respect of all decent humans around the world.

NotASheeple

JC01 wrote: »

Because from my understanding of it the majority of the Arab world has tried to annihilate Israel at one point or another.

And reading that, it is my understanding that you have absolutely no understanding. If anything, it looks like someone has been swallowing too many Zionist fairytales.