Israel - Palestine Conflict. Mod note in OP - updated 1st August

Nodin · 15-08-2014 8:46pm

hju6 wrote: »

It's a very good explanation

David Duke is a vile scum bucket. Nothing that comes out of his filthy gob is "good". He devalues anything he touches, even if its correct.

This is not the first time you've strayed over into anti-semetic territory in this thread either. The Palestinian cause has enough obstacles in its way without more via you and duke.

hju6 · 15-08-2014 9:02pm

Nodin wrote: »

David Duke is a vile scum bucket. Nothing that comes out of his filthy gob is "good". He devalues anything he touches, even if its correct.

This is not the first time you've strayed over into anti-semetic territory in this thread either. The Palestinian cause has enough obstacles in its way without more via you and duke.

Yeah let's just dance round the elephant and politely smile

Nodin · 15-08-2014 9:03pm

hju6 wrote: »

Yeah let's just dance round the elephant and politely smile

What's "the elephant"?

shedweller · 15-08-2014 9:14pm

Nodin wrote: »

What's "the elephant"?

The elephant in the room, i suppose.

Nodin · 15-08-2014 9:14pm

shedweller wrote: »

The elephant in the room, i suppose.

That much I gathered.

shedweller · 15-08-2014 9:29pm

Nodin wrote: »

That much I gathered.

Ah yes. silly me! The elephant in the room would be (among other things) that here is a state illegally expanding past its agreed borders, shooting innocents while saying "damn, missed him!" and all the while, using mega expensive weapons that shouldn't miss, thereby implying that they are deliberately targeting innocent civilians.

And all the worlds leaders couldn't give a sh1t.:mad:

hju6 · 15-08-2014 9:29pm

Nodin wrote: »

David Duke is a vile scum bucket. Nothing that comes out of his filthy gob is "good". He devalues anything he touches, even if its correct.

This is not the first time you've strayed over into anti-semetic territory in this thread either. The Palestinian cause has enough obstacles in its way without more via you and duke.

You confuse anti Semite with anti Zionism , I have nothing against Jews or Arabs

Nodin · 15-08-2014 9:41pm

hju6 wrote: »

You confuse anti Semite with anti Zionism , I have nothing against Jews or Arabs

What's "the elephant" (presumably 'in the room') you were referring to earlier?

hju6 · 15-08-2014 9:49pm

Nodin wrote: »

What's "the elephant" (presumably 'in the room') you were referring to earlier?

The control the zionists have over the worlds media, military, banks etc,

Or is that being anti Semitic

Nodin · 15-08-2014 9:50pm

hju6 wrote: »

The control the zionists have over the worlds media, military, banks etc,

Or is that being anti Semitic

Given the earlier holocaust denial, the more recent david duke, as good as, yeah.

hju6 · 15-08-2014 9:51pm

Nodin wrote: »

Given the earlier holocaust denial, the more recent david duke, as good as, yeah.

More Zionist spin like the human skin lampshade story

Nodin · 15-08-2014 9:52pm

hju6 wrote: »

More Zionist spin

Well done, you have uncovered me, Shlomo Goldberg, Zionist infiltrator and agent of the NWO.

hju6 · 15-08-2014 9:54pm

Nodin wrote: »

Well done, you have uncovered me, Shlomo Goldberg, Zionist infiltrator and agent of the NWO.

I knew having 6 VPNs would come in useful one day

smurgen · 15-08-2014 11:45pm

hju6 wrote: »

I knew having 6 VPNs would come in useful one day

You're talking an awful load of Blarney! Anyhow back on track...I expect there to be another solidarity march again tomorrow in cork,I shall be out. Hopefully a good turnout once again.

Capt'n Midnight · 16-08-2014 2:30pm

Israel's style of public relations

A quick guide to Israel's PR methods:

1. We haven't heard reports of deaths, will check into it;

2. The people were killed, but by a faulty Palestinian rocket/bomb;

3. OK we killed them, but they were terrorists;

4. OK they were civilians, but they were being used as human shields;

5. OK there were no fighters in the area, so it was our mistake. But we kill civilians by accident, they do it on purpose;

6. OK we kill far more civilians than they do, but look at how terrible other countries are!

7. Why are you still talking about Israel? Are you some kind of anti-semite?

Test this against the next interview you hear or watch.

Adam Johannes, Secretary, Cardiff Stop the War Coalition

SeaBreezes · 16-08-2014 2:59pm

Class :-)

You forgot: "But we are entitled to defend ourselves"

Son Of A Vidic · 16-08-2014 3:29pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Israel's style of public relations

A quick guide to Israel's PR methods:

1. We haven't heard reports of deaths, will check into it;

2. The people were killed, but by a faulty Palestinian rocket/bomb;

3. OK we killed them, but they were terrorists;

4. OK they were civilians, but they were being used as human shields;

5. OK there were no fighters in the area, so it was our mistake. But we kill civilians by accident, they do it on purpose;

6. OK we kill far more civilians than they do, but look at how terrible other countries are!

7. Why are you still talking about Israel? Are you some kind of anti-semite?

Test this against the next interview you hear or watch.

Adam Johannes, Secretary, Cardiff Stop the War Coalition

That's the tried & tested repetitive formula alright and that pretty much nails it. Usually by the time any shift towards an admission occurs. Several days have passed and the story/atrocity has dropped off the media radar.

hatrickpatrick · 16-08-2014 3:36pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Israel's style of public relations

A quick guide to Israel's PR methods:

1. We haven't heard reports of deaths, will check into it;

2. The people were killed, but by a faulty Palestinian rocket/bomb;

3. OK we killed them, but they were terrorists;

4. OK they were civilians, but they were being used as human shields;

5. OK there were no fighters in the area, so it was our mistake. But we kill civilians by accident, they do it on purpose;

6. OK we kill far more civilians than they do, but look at how terrible other countries are!

7. Why are you still talking about Israel? Are you some kind of anti-semite?

Test this against the next interview you hear or watch.

Adam Johannes, Secretary, Cardiff Stop the War Coalition

I'm reminded irresistibly of a famous excerpt from Yes Prime Minister in which Humphrey explains to Bernard how to effectively deal with a politician who shows an interest in a foreign affairs situation:

We follow the four stage program.
In stage one, we say that nothing is going to happen.
In stage two, we say that something may be going to happen, but we don't need to do anything about it.
In stage three, we say maybe we should do something about it, but there's nothing we can do,
And finally in stage four we say, you know maybe there was something we could have done - but it's too late now.

:pac:

Nodin · 16-08-2014 3:39pm

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

That's the tried & tested repetitive formula alright and that pretty much nails it. Usually by the time any shift towards an admission occurs. Several days have passed and the story/atrocity has dropped off the media radar.

Meanwhile, in the haven of tolerance in the middle east......

"Some 350 demonstrators have been charged across Israel since the unrest began early in July; none are Jewish"
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.610828

Son Of A Vidic · 16-08-2014 4:06pm

Nodin wrote: »

Meanwhile, in the haven of tolerance in the middle east......

"Some 350 demonstrators have been charged across Israel since the unrest began early in July; none are Jewish"
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.610828

I expect nothing less from such a shinning bastion of 'democracy'. To read the full content, Boardsies will have to register with Haaretz.

Here's another snippet, from Nodin's original link.....

The demonstrations that took place in Israeli towns and cities within the Green Line were organized and mostly non-violent, and were attended by members of parliament and dignitaries. But the police didn't view them this way. The Israel Police's official website stated that "while the civilian front of Operation Protective Edge is being managed, the fight against violent riots across the country continues," as if the protests were another front on which the war in Gaza is being waged.

"The wave of arrests is intended to silence and crush the right of Arab citizens to protest, via police violence and hostility," says attorney Suhad Bishara from the Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel - Adalah, who represented many of the detained demonstrators. "The Israel Police treats the Arab community as a potential enemy, and unfortunately, the court approved many of the police's requests for extended remand, even when there was no ground for this."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.610828#

hju6 · 16-08-2014 5:27pm

Palestine solidarity protestors target smart bomb manufacturer in Fife

PNN/Solidarity

Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign has called for a halt to the manufacturing of components for Israeli bombs in Scotland. The US owned Raytheon plant in Glenrothes produces guidance electronics for the Paveway II bomb which has been used to kill innocent women, men and children in Gaza.

A demonstration on Saturday 16 August at 3pm in the Fife town is expected to be attended by thousands of protestors from across Scotland. The revelation about the company’s involvement in the horrendous massacre in Gaza came in press reports last weekend and follows calls from the Scottish government for an immediate arms embargo on Israel. The company boasts that they “can take a dumb bomb and turn it into a smart bomb”.

http://english.pnn.ps/index.php/nonviolence/7987-palestine-solidarity-protestors-target-smart-bomb-manufacturer-in-fife

Mainstream medias silence on the protests is deafening

shedweller · 16-08-2014 5:33pm

Well either israel got a bad batch of smart bombs, havent a clue how to operate them, or are deliberately targeting innocent civilians. I know where i'd put my money.

hatrickpatrick · 16-08-2014 10:11pm

shedweller wrote: »

Well either israel got a bad batch of smart bombs, havent a clue how to operate them, or are deliberately targeting innocent civilians. I know where i'd put my money.

The fourth option seems most likely to me, which is that they are targeting what they think are militants without giving civilians a second thought.
Not saying "There are a hundred innocent people there, let's kill them", but saying "there might be a target down there somewhere, let's just keep firing and hope we hit him. Collateral doesn't matter."

Contempt rather than hatred, which in my view is actually worse. Hatred is an emotion which requires some level of empathy, contempt is a complete lack of emotion towards a person.

hju6 · 16-08-2014 10:45pm

shedweller wrote: »

Well either israel got a bad batch of smart bombs, havent a clue how to operate them, or are deliberately targeting innocent civilians. I know where i'd put my money.

Would you trust a racist genocidist with a bomb made in Scotland?

shedweller · 16-08-2014 11:17pm

hju6 wrote: »

Would you trust a racist genocidist with a bomb made in Scotland?

I wouldnt trust a racist genocidist with a bomb, full stop. Where its made hardly makes a difference.

hju6 · 16-08-2014 11:35pm

hju6 wrote: »

Would you trust a racist genocidist with a bomb made in Scotland?

I'll rephrase

Would you trust an IDF with a bomb made in

?

shedweller · 16-08-2014 11:39pm

hju6 wrote: »

I'll rephrase

Would you trust an IDF with a bomb made in
?

No.

Dan_Solo · 16-08-2014 11:44pm

What I don't get about the "anti-Zionist equals anti-Semite" ****e that Zionists and their apologists keep rolling out is that at this stage it seems they really are trying to convince people that they do hate Jews. As the shadow of WWII and the holocaust fades from the collective consciousness, the original sin guilt card is a pretty weak one to play.

Tuisceanch · 17-08-2014 12:00am

I thought I would share this with those people who are interested and haven't seen it before.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/listen-love-time-genocide-performed-haidar-eid

In this video, the Palestinian intellectual and activist Haidar Eid, in Gaza, performs “Love in the Time of Genocide,” adapted from a poem by the late Egyptian poet Abdul Rahim Mansour.
The words are unadorned, but Eid’s performance is haunting, set against images from Israel’s most recent massacre in Gaza:

Between contractions and pain
We will be reborn
Between contractions and pain
Wisdom will be born
The song of freedom will be born
All that has passed and gone
Is still being born in your eyes

At the end of the video are these words from Eid himself:

The Palestinian people, and Gazans in particular, have been living an unending massacre since 1948. We can no longer negotiate about improving the conditions of oppression; it is either the full menu of rights, or nothing. And that means the end of occupation, apartheid and colonialism.

hju6 · 17-08-2014 2:00am

Dan_Solo wrote: »

What I don't get about the "anti-Zionist equals anti-Semite" ****e that Zionists and their apologists keep rolling out is that at this stage it seems they really are trying to convince people that they do hate Jews. As the shadow of WWII and the holocaust fades from the collective consciousness, the original sin guilt card is a pretty weak one to play.

Wow, that's consice

Highflyer13 · 17-08-2014 2:10am

1 word, Rothshild! Unfortunately, they have huge sway when it comes to these issues. Crazy, I know.:(

Tuisceanch · 17-08-2014 2:30am

A Young American Jewish woman asks her peer group some tough questions. Unfortunately they weren't up to the task.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLDE4mRwfSQ#t=515

Nodin · 17-08-2014 5:04am

Highflyer13 wrote: »

1 word, Rothshild! Unfortunately, they have huge sway when it comes to these issues. Crazy, I know.:(

1 Word - Bullshit.

shedweller · 17-08-2014 8:22am

Dan_Solo wrote: »

What I don't get about the "anti-Zionist equals anti-Semite" ****e that Zionists and their apologists keep rolling out is that at this stage it seems they really are trying to convince people that they do hate Jews. As the shadow of WWII and the holocaust fades from the collective consciousness, the original sin guilt card is a pretty weak one to play.

And yet it works so well for so many. Strength in numbers yes? Thats the uphill battle and the zionists know this all too well.

Playboy · 17-08-2014 9:08am

Essential viewing on the origins of the latest conflict and the historical context.

Sorry if posted already

http://youtu.be/UEpn68BZIOY

bumper234 · 17-08-2014 11:25am

Highflyer13 wrote: »

1 word, Rothshild! Unfortunately, they have huge sway when it comes to these issues. Crazy, I know.:(

*shakeshead*

Son Of A Vidic · 17-08-2014 11:31am

Highflyer13 wrote: »

1 word, Rothshild! Unfortunately, they have huge sway when it comes to these issues. Crazy, I know.:(

Crazy you say? You know we have a special forum for that kind of crazy.....:pac:

Nodin · 17-08-2014 8:43pm

A Palestinian man and his Jewish bride-to-be are facing hostile protests in the Israeli town of Rishon Letzion after Israel's high court refused their application to ban demonstrations outside their wedding reception.

Mahmoud Mansour, 26, a Palestinian from Jaffa, has had to hire dozens of security guards after an anti-Arab group, Lehava, published details of his wedding reception online and called for Israelis to come and picket the wedding hall.

The group, which campaigns against assimilation between Jews and Arabs in Israel, is angry that Mansour's bride-to-be, Moral Malka, 23, is Jewish, although local media reported that she has already converted to Islam and the couple have had an Islamic wedding.

Lehava, which campaigns under the slogan of 'saving the daughters of Israel', was revealed to have links with the Israeli government in a 2011 investigation by Haaretz, receiving up to $175,000 per year from the state, over half of its operational budget.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/17/israeli-court-protesters-picket-palestinian-jewish-wedding

Charming. Stated funded bigots.

Son Of A Vidic · 17-08-2014 9:31pm

Nodin wrote: »

Lehava, which campaigns under the slogan of 'saving the daughters of Israel', was revealed to have links with the Israeli government in a 2011 investigation by Haaretz, receiving up to $175,000 per year from the state, over half of its operational budget.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/17/israeli-court-protesters-picket-palestinian-jewish-wedding

Charming. Stated funded bigots.

A pillar, a bastion Israel, a shining light of democracy and tolerance in the Middle East.

Nodin · 17-08-2014 9:35pm

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

A pillar, a bastion Israel, a shining light of democracy and tolerance in the Middle East.

Absolutely. Any suggestion that the light source is burning Palestinian property, olive groves etc is clearly pro-terrorist propaganda.

FifaPlaya · 17-08-2014 9:37pm

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

A pillar, a bastion Israel, a shining light of democracy and tolerance in the Middle East.

Lol

Little CuChulainn · 17-08-2014 10:14pm

Israel, the Westboro Baptist Church of the Middle East

bumper234 · 18-08-2014 7:06am

So it turns out that the IDF actually were incompetent when it comes to shooting.

http://www.imemc.org/article/68870?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PalestineNews+%28Palestine+News%29

A report by the Israeli military on Sunday August 17th found that during the Israeli invasion of Gaza that began on July 8th, fifteen different incidents of ‘friendly fire’ occurred, killing 5 soldiers and wounding 23.

And in other news

Thousands block the unloading of Israeli ship in the USA.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/17/israeli-ship-remains-at-sea-thousands-protesters-gather?CMP=twt_gu

Israeli ship remains at sea as thousands of protesters gather in Oakland

Nodin · 18-08-2014 3:46pm

bumper234 wrote: »

So it turns out that the IDF actually were incompetent when it comes to shooting.

http://www.imemc.org/article/68870?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PalestineNews+%28Palestine+News%29

And in other news

Thousands block the unloading of Israeli ship in the USA.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/17/israeli-ship-remains-at-sea-thousands-protesters-gather?CMP=twt_gu

Blockage of that ship is heartening.

shedweller · 18-08-2014 3:55pm

Nodin wrote: »

Blockage of that ship is heartening.

They look like anti semites to me....

RustyNut · 18-08-2014 4:01pm

shedweller wrote: »

They look like anti semites to me....

And probably homosexual, provo supporting,blind,ignorant,hate filled anti semites.

hatrickpatrick · 18-08-2014 4:02pm

shedweller wrote: »

They look like anti semites to me....

How so? The word "Jewish" appears absolutely nowhere in the article.

shedweller · 18-08-2014 4:02pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

How so? The word "Jewish" appears absolutely nowhere in the article.

Sorry, i was being sarcastic!

FifaPlaya · 18-08-2014 4:03pm

shedweller wrote: »

They look like anti semites to me....

U know hating arabs or ethiopians is anti semetic cus theyre semites and a lot of palestinians are descended from jews who stayed in the roman palestine

hatrickpatrick · 18-08-2014 4:04pm

shedweller wrote: »

Sorry, i was being sarcastic!

Haha I'm notoriously bad at detecting sarcasm over the internet

The use of the

:pac: and :rolleyes: smileys helps considerably

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