Israel - Palestine Conflict. **Mod note in OP - updated 1st August**

TommyKnocker

Israel's Humanitarian side -- NOT

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/starve-or-surrender-cut-all-food-and-water-gaza-says-israeli-general

old_aussie

RustyNut wrote: »

Do you not think both sides should be investigated for war crimes and those found guilty brought to justice?

Most certainly, both sides should be brought to account.

end of the road

getzls wrote: »

A rocket is fired into Israel every ten minutes.
Come on folks, what response would you have?

it certainly wouldn't be raping and slaughtering women and children, bombing UN facilities and then crying anti-cemitism when people don't agree

Awkward Badger

old_aussie wrote: »

Most certainly, both sides should be brought to account.

Yet you think it ironic they will sign up to the ICC while Israel won't ? Given the acts, the attempts at diplomacy the view of the UN resolutions its becoming ever more apparent to the world that while certain people argue Hamas and Palestinians are the terrorists its Israel that are the major problem here not the Palestinians.

eeepaulo

old_aussie wrote: »

Most certainly, both sides should be brought to account.

Both israel and the united states have withdrawn from the icc and continuosly deny any attempt to monitor or investigate

'truth never damagaed a just cause'

Son Of A Vidic

old_aussie wrote: »

Nearly choked on my egg and bacon roll when I read they wanted to join the ICC. oh the irony

The only person really choking on their breakfast here is Netanyahu. If Hamas are willing to sign up to the ICC, they are agreeing to face ICC investigation. But the lions share of such investigations, would undoubtedly target the IDF and their multitude of flagrant breaches of the Geneva Conventions.

TommyKnocker

This is the second time in the last few days I have read that Israel made up the story of Hamas rockets breaking the ceasefire last week as they had received information on the whereabouts of Mohammad Al-Diaf, the Hamas leader and wanted to take him out.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/13686-former-israeli-ag-our-government-staged-the-assassination-of-al-daif

Tuisceanch

This is a very hard hitting piece from Haaretz.

The difference between children

It is human that the killing of an Israeli boy, a child of ours, would arouse greater identification than the death of some other child. What is incomprehensible is the Israeli response to the killing of their children.


http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.612085


"After the first child, nobody batted an eye; after the 50th not even a slight tremor was felt in a plane’s wing; after the 100th, they stopped counting; after the 200th, they blamed Hamas. After the 300th child they blamed the parents. After the 400th child, they invented excuses; after (the first) 478 children nobody cares. "

It's a pity this sentiment is not reflected in the western mainstream media or at least not that I'm aware of.

Tuisceanch

The general son ,his father was Israeli general and he became an activist pro Palestine .Miko Peled .

Tuisceanch

In the biggest blow to Israeli propaganda, which claimed that Hamas broke the ceasefire, former Israeli Attorney General Michael Ben Yair has said that "it was Israel who staged the alleged Hamas breach of the ceasefire in order to create the conditions for assassinating Muhammad Al-Daif, Commander-in-Chief of Hamas's military wing, Al-Qassam Brigades.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/13686-former-israeli-ag-our-government-staged-the-assassination-of-al-daif

Sorry just realized it was already posted. So good it had to be posted twice!

Son Of A Vidic

Tuisceanch wrote: »

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.612085


"After the first child, nobody batted an eye; after the 50th not even a slight tremor was felt in a plane’s wing; after the 100th, they stopped counting; after the 200th, they blamed Hamas. After the 300th child they blamed the parents. After the 400th child, they invented excuses; after (the first) 478 children nobody cares. "

It's a pity this sentiment is not reflected in the western mainstream media or at least not that I'm aware of.

When the traditional pro-Zionist media can't spin or sell their lies, best not to say anything at all. Say nothing and it never happened.

Tuisceanch

‘Ads Against Apartheid’ is going national


http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/against-apartheid-national.html

Tuisceanch

old_aussie wrote: »

hamas admits kidnapping and killing three Israeli teens

http://www.npr.org/2014/08/22/342318367/hamas-finally-admits-to-kidnapping-and-killing-israeli-teens

hamas kill 18 Suspected Informants

https://news.vice.com/article/hamas-kills-18-suspected-informants-a-day-after-israel-killed-three-hamas-leaders


and they want to join the International Criminal Court(ICC)

Nearly choked on my egg and bacon roll when I read they wanted to join the ICC. oh the irony

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2014/positive-development-2/

"Since the start of the Gaza war, Abbas has come under growing domestic pressure to pave the way for a possible war crimes investigation of Israel. Last month, he told senior PLO officials and leaders of smaller political groups he would only go ahead if Hamas supported the bid.
If Abbas were to turn to the court, Hamas could be investigated for indiscriminate rocket fire at Israel since 2000. Israel could come under scrutiny for its actions in the current Gaza war as well as decades of settlement building on war-won lands the Palestinians seek for a state.
Izzat Rishq, a senior Hamas official, said on Saturday that Hamas was not concerned about becoming a target of a war crimes investigation and urged Abbas to act “as soon as possible”.
“We are under occupation, under daily attack and our fighters are defending their people,” he said in a phone interview from Qatar. “These rockets are meant to stop Israeli attacks and it is well known that Israel initiated this war and previous wars.”
But it is uncertain whether such arguments would hold up in court. After the last major round of Israel-Hamas fighting more than five years ago, a UN fact-finding team said both Israel and Hamas violated the rules of war by targeting civilians.
The Hamas decision to back a court bid came after meetings on Thursday and Friday in Qatar between Abbas and the top Hamas leader in exile, Khaled Mashaal."

bumper234

Another day another family murdered by the worlds most moral.army

http://www.imemc.org/article/68944?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PalestineNews+%28Palestine+News%29

Mother killed in her home, along with 4 of her children, by Israeli airstrike

Tuisceanch

TommyKnocker wrote: »

I would be really interested in hearing the military significance of that apartment block

It was acting as a human shield.

TommyKnocker

89 Palestinian families, yes, you read right, entire families, have be wiped off the face of the earth since the Israeli onslaught on Gaza started on July 8th.No member of these poor families are left alive.

According to Charlie Flannigan the Irish government would only consider sending the Israeli Ambassador packing in exceptional circumstances.

I would love to know what constitutes exceptional circumstances in the eyes of the Irish Government.

Israeli Ambassador, OUT OUT OUT!!!!

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.612255

eeepaulo

TommyKnocker wrote: »

I would love to know what constitutes exceptional circumstances in the eyes of the Irish Government.

America says we can,

tayto lover

Tuisceanch wrote: »

‘Ads Against Apartheid’ is going national


http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/against-apartheid-national.html

Amazed that Dundalk F.C. were fined 20 thousand euro by EUFA because their fans displayed a Palestinian flag at a soccer game.
Can you imagine that happening if fans displayed a U.S. or Israeli flag? Pure nonsense.

Tuisceanch

Tuisceanch wrote: »

Interesting article that might interest you.

How Politics and Lies Triggered an Unintended War in Gaza

Read more: http://forward.com/articles/201764/how-politics-and-lies-triggered-an-unintended-war/?p=all#ixzz3B870MDU1

"But Netanyahu had no such intention. The last attack on Gaza, the eight-day Operation Pillar of Defense in November 2012, targeted Hamas leaders and taught a sobering lesson. Hamas hadn’t fired a single rocket since, and had largely suppressed fire by smaller jihadi groups. Rocket firings, averaging 240 per month in 2007, dropped to five per month in 2013. Neither side had any desire to end the détente. Besides, whatever might replace Hamas in Gaza could only be worse.

The kidnapping and crackdown upset the balance. In Israel, grief and anger over the boys’ disappearance grew steadily as the fabricated mystery stretched into a second and third week. Rallies and prayer meetings were held across the country and in Jewish communities around the world. The mothers were constantly on television. One addressed the United Nations in Geneva to plead for her son’s return. Jews everywhere were in anguish over the unceasing threat of barbaric Arab terror plaguing Israel.


This, too, was misleading. The last seven years have been the most tranquil in Israel’s history. Terror attacks are a fraction of the level during the nightmare intifada years — just six deaths in all of 2013. But few notice. The staged agony of the kidnap search created, probably unintentionally, what amounts to a mass, worldwide attack of post-traumatic stress flashback."




"Amid the rising tension, cabinet meetings in Jerusalem turned into shouting matches. Ministers on the right demanded the army reoccupy Gaza and destroy Hamas. Netanyahu replied, backed by the army and liberal ministers, that the response must be measured and careful. It was an unaccustomed and plainly uncomfortable role for him. He was caught between his pragmatic and ideological impulses."

Here is an interview between J.J Goldberg (the author of the above article) and Ali Abunimah of Electronic Intifada.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olsgHPHf_mQ

Now,in fairness, J.J Goldberg author of the quoted article is not the most unreasonable apologist for Israel that has darkened the door of humanity, but as is shown here he has some way to go before he sees that any distortion,lies and euphemisms are no longer acceptable. However you get the sense that he knows this as is shown by his discomfort, as at heart I think he's a decent man trying to defend the indefensible. I think it's clear that there are large cracks appearing in the US.

As an example look at this video which is quite funny because just as they think they've got rid of one bunch of protesters...

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Jewish Voice for Peace-Chicago disrupt Stand with Israel fundraiser


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98LkxgwxjXE

Son Of A Vidic

tayto lover wrote: »

Can you imagine that happening if fans displayed a U.S. or Israeli flag?

They'd probably get a joint UEFA/EU development grant for 100K......:pac:

WakeUp

IDF leveling an entire 12 story building , 44 apartments it just crumbles. apparently they were targeting one apartment. yet leveled the entire building. is this now the shape of things to come .
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-24/stunning-footage-israeli-strike-leveling-12-story-gaza-building

hju6

http://www.rnw.nl/data/files/imagecache/must_carry/images/lead/israel%20flag%20ajax.jpg

Ajax unfined

hju6

WakeUp wrote: »

IDF leveling an entire 12 story building , 44 apartments it just crumbles. apparently they were targeting one apartment. yet leveled the entire building. is this now the shape of things to come .
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-24/stunning-footage-israeli-strike-leveling-12-story-gaza-building

Creche on the ground floor,

woodoo

People need to hold America responsible for what is happening in Gaza too. They are the great enabler. If people started boycotting american goods in any significant way over this they would drop Israel like a hot stone.

Nodin

WakeUp wrote: »

IDF leveling an entire 12 story building , 44 apartments it just crumbles. apparently they were targeting one apartment. yet leveled the entire building. is this now the shape of things to come .

Its the shape of things as they have been for a long time. Its just a good example.

TommyKnocker

hju6 wrote: »

http://www.rnw.nl/data/files/imagecache/must_carry/images/lead/israel%20flag%20ajax.jpg

Ajax unfined

If this is recent and not an International match featuring Isreal, then this should be emailed to Dundalk FC to use in any appeal.

bumper234

TommyKnocker wrote: »

If this is recent and not an International match featuring Isreal, then this should be emailed to Dundalk FC to use in any appeal.

Israel really cracking down on those terrorists :mad:

http://www.imemc.org/article/68945?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PalestineNews+%28Palestine+News%29

Killed Sunday, August 24

Yahia Saber Abu al-‘Omarein, Gaza.
Bader Hashem Abu Mnei’, 18, Gaza.
Mohammad Tal’at al-Ghoul, 30, Gaza City.
Zeinab Bilal Abu Taqiyya, 18 months, Gaza City.
Mohammad Wa’el al-Khodary, 17, Gaza City.
Mohammad Ibrahim al-Louqa, 21, Beit Lahia.
Mo’ayyad al-A’raj, 3, Khan Younis.
Adam Ahmad Khattab, 26, Deir al-Balah.
Mahmoud Ahmad al-‘Attar, 30, Deir Al-Balah.
Tasneem Essam Juda’,Tal al-Zatar.
Rawiya Juda’, son of Tasneem,Tal al-Zatar.
Raghad Juda’, son of Tasneem,Tal al-Zatar.
Osama Juda’, son of Tasneem,Tal al-Zatar.
Mohammad Juda', son of Tasneem,Tal al-Zatar.
Yassin Ibrahim al-Biltaji, 23, Gaza.
Yahia Abu Daqen, 27, Northern Gaza.

hju6

TommyKnocker wrote: »

If this is recent and not an International match featuring Isreal, then this should be emailed to Dundalk FC to use in any appeal.

Its double standards,

Many Tottenham fans maintain a Jewish identity, and the Israeli flag is a familiar sight on the sidelines. It's a similar phenomenon to what one sees among Ajax Amsterdam fans in the Netherlands. Fans there have dubbed their club "Super Jews" and sing songs with lyrics such as, "Anyone who doesn't jump isn't a Jew." Some fans even have tattoos of the Star of David.


http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/football-why-tottenham-and-ajax-fans-have-a-jewish-identity-a-926095.html

TommyKnocker

Yep, it's all too easy. A 7 storey office block and a 2 storey shopping mall were obliterated yesterday as according to the Israeli ITF (T=Terrorist) "both buildings contained facilities linked to militants", though no further details were provided. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

They have also warned Palestinian civilians to evacuate out of areas used by "militants". Just where the fup are they supposed to evacuate to?


http://www.independent.ie/world-news/middle-east/palestinian-civilians-told-to-vacate-militant-areas-30533447.html

Tuisceanch

Tuisceanch wrote: »

Here is an interview between J.J Goldberg (the author of the above article) and Ali Abunimah of Electronic Intifada.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olsgHPHf_mQ

Now,in fairness, J.J Goldberg author of the quoted article is not the most unreasonable apologist for Israel that has darkened the door of humanity, but as is shown here he has some way to go before he sees that any distortion,lies and euphemisms are no longer acceptable. However you get the sense that he knows this as is shown by his discomfort, as at heart I think he's a decent man trying to defend the indefensible. I think it's clear that there are large cracks appearing in the US.

As an example look at this video which is quite funny because just as they think they've got rid of one bunch of protesters...

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Jewish Voice for Peace-Chicago disrupt Stand with Israel fundraiser


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98LkxgwxjXE

Here is a very interesting video highlighting more of the actions undertaken by JVP.

"On August 6, Rabbi Susan Talve of the Central Reform Congregation invited five members of Jewish Voice for Peace to express their opposition to the Gaza massacre in her sanctuary. I have been very critical of Talve for serving as a conduit for AIPAC’s rightwing garbage, but she must be celebrated for inviting these Jews into her shul after she saw the local Jewish Federations giving JVP the bums rush."

‘We made a mistake. There is a sickness inside our community’ — Jacob Ari Labendz in the synagogue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQJMjTCIexU

"Data also show that our youths tend not to identify strongly with Israel. Its simple nationalism alienates those of us who think about belonging on more nuanced terms. Israel has driven us into the streets to protest atrocities carried our in our name and without our consent. And there, heartbreakingly, we face counter-protests from our own community in defense of occupation, in support of the ethnic division of society, and, this time, in favor of a bloody war of choice. If we have placed Israel at the center of our identities and if Israel now stands on the wrong side of history, what future can we expect? Support for Israeli politics–even if accompanied by prayers for peace–threatens to extinguish much of what is worthy of preserving in our tradition. If we do not speak, we risk not only complicity, but the alienation of future our generations."


Here is the article with the context and transcript of the speech.

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/sickness-community-synagogue.html

Son Of A Vidic

TommyKnocker wrote: »

Yep, it's all too easy. A 7 storey office block and a 2 storey shopping mall were obliterated yesterday as according to the Israeli ITF (T=Terrorist) "both buildings contained facilities linked to militants", though no further details were provided.

I'd sooner believe the words uttered from the mouth of Satan, than the military wing of Zionism. The latest key piece of civilian infrastructure attacked, was an important food market place and business area in Gaza. It was an attack purely designed to increase suffering, particularly the economic suffering in Gaza. And their crimes keep mounting.

ScumLord

WakeUp wrote: »

IDF leveling an entire 12 story building , 44 apartments it just crumbles. apparently they were targeting one apartment. yet leveled the entire building. is this now the shape of things to come .
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-24/stunning-footage-israeli-strike-leveling-12-story-gaza-building

Seems a bit odd that there were two camera men in postition to watch the strike. Unless Israel warned everyone the strike was coming which makes the strike a bit pointless as the people they're trying to kill can just flee before the strike.

Nodin

ScumLord wrote: »

Seems a bit odd that there were two camera men in postition to watch the strike. Unless Israel warned everyone the strike was coming which makes the strike a bit pointless as the people they're trying to kill can just flee before the strike.

The point is to inflict suffering on the civilian population, really. Blowing up homes is a good way to do so.

Manic Moran

Awkward Badger wrote: »

Yet you think it ironic they will sign up to the ICC while Israel won't ? Given the acts, the attempts at diplomacy the view of the UN resolutions its becoming ever more apparent to the world that while certain people argue Hamas and Palestinians are the terrorists its Israel that are the major problem here not the Palestinians.

Not really, ICC would never get a conviction against Hamas either. It's not as if Hamas have a central archive of military records which keeps unit identifiers, gun cameras, operations orders, targeting orders etc. How would one go about identifying a suspect, and then obtaining evidence to charge? It's a political offer which seems devoid of practical effect.

tayto lover

woodoo wrote: »

People need to hold America responsible for what is happening in Gaza too. They are the great enabler. If people started boycotting american goods in any significant way over this they would drop Israel like a hot stone.

I sent loads of e-mails to both the Israeli and U.S. embassies regarding the conflict and their part in it and neither had the decency to reply. I would agree with boycotting their goods and have being doing this already.

TommyKnocker

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

I'd sooner believe the words uttered from the mouth of Satan, than the military wing of Zionism. The latest key piece of civilian infrastructure attacked, was an important food market place and business area in Gaza. It was an attack purely designed to increase suffering, particularly the economic suffering in Gaza. And their crimes keep mounting.

In case it was not clear, I am in no way condoning this atrocity. I think it is absolutely horrendous that all that is needed is for Israel's ITF to announce that a building has links to "Militants" so that they can obliterate it and the world says nothing. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

This was yet another War Crime, as targeting the offices on the Hamas interior ministry (government office) cannot be considered as a military target, unless they have resistance fighters firing from the windows. And the shopping center was just evil for evils sake and nothing else.

Also the crap about the civilians vacating anywhere the militants might be active. Vacate to f&*king where??? :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Vandango

TommyKnocker wrote: »

It case it was not clear, I am in no way condoning this atrocity. I think it is absolutely horrendous that all that is needed is for Israel's ITF to announce that a building has links to Militants so that they can obliterate it and the world says nothing. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Also the crap about the civilians vacating anywhere the militants might be active. Vacate to f&*king where??? :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Dude, imo, I think you completely misinterpreted that post.

Son Of A Vidic

Manic Moran wrote: »

It's not as if Hamas have a central archive of military records which keeps unit identifiers, gun cameras, operations orders, targeting orders etc.

No, but the IDF do and since the vast majority of atrocities and breaches of the Geneva Convention throughout the years has come from them. I don't think the ICC would be to dissuaded.

Awkward Badger

Manic Moran wrote: »

Not really, ICC would never get a conviction against Hamas either. It's not as if Hamas have a central archive of military records which keeps unit identifiers, gun cameras, operations orders, targeting orders etc. How would one go about identifying a suspect, and then obtaining evidence to charge? It's a political offer which seems devoid of practical effect.

Not really what ?

The chances of conviction don't change the fact that simply signing up to the jurisdiction of the ICC is a huge step forward. Both for the Palestinian people in taking this conflict beyond violence and into the realm of international courts. And it will free all ICC member states of the gag the US has placed on them by not allowing the UN to determine what has been happening in this conflict.

Tuisceanch

An Israeli Soldier's Story - Eran Efrati

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93hqlmrZKd8

Eran Efrati, 28, was born and raised in Jerusalem. After graduating high school he enlisted in the IDF, where he served as a combat soldier and company sergeant in Battalion 50 of the Nachal Division. He spent most of his service in Hebron and throughout the West Bank. ....

http://www.soldierandrefusenik.com/

His father having served in the military is now a chief investigator in the Jerusalem police. This is a very emotional and heartfelt account of his upbringing and experiences as a soldier. He also raises some pertinent warnings to the US citizenry about the collaboration between the American police forces and the Israeli army and the fate that may await them if they ignore,as a retired colonel in the US marines has pointed out recently,the creation of a domestic army on American soil.

bumper234

On twitter

@dancohen3000


Israel has threatened to destroy another building called the Italy Compound in Gaza City. Residents are evacuating now.

@dancohen3000

I"m told the Italy Compound has been hit.

shedweller

Nodin wrote: »

The point is to inflict suffering on the civilian population, really. Blowing up homes is a good way to do so.

I've been saying this for a while now.
It isn't about taking out hamas, it's about taking Palestine.

user2011

The ceasefire being proposed by Egypt..

17:12: Cairo is awaiting an Israeli response on an Egyptian proposal to secure a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip, Egyptian sources told Ma’an.The proposal includes opening the Rafah crossing, expanding the fishing area to six miles and opening Gaza’s trade crossings to allow reconstructing the enclave.

The sources added that Egypt presented the ceasefire proposal to Israel on Monday and that Israel promised to respond. Israeli officials showed “initial acceptance,” one source said.

http://jpupdates.com/2014/08/25/live-blog-israelunderfire-hamas-willing-accept-new-cease-fire-proposal/

In the fishing sector, the three nautical miles limit enforced by the blockade inhibits fishermen from catching sardines, which are usually found five to eight miles offshore. The sardine market used to represent the main element of the Gaza fishery. The potential catch lost as a result of access restrictions is estimated at approximately 7,000 metric tons, with a related income loss of some USD 26.5 million over a period of five years.

http://www.ochaopt.org/annual/c3/8.html

Very nice of them to let the fishermen in by a mile of the good fishing area.

user2011

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/palestinian-american-israels.html

I don't know what to say to any of the stuff in that piece. Big eye opener and very sad is all I can say.

user2011

Rubble bucket challenge anyone?

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/From-Jordan-to-Morocco-the-pro-Gaza-Rubble-Bucket-challenge-goes-viral-372129

The trend quickly caught on in, and beyond, Gaza.

Among those taking the challenge include Jordanian comedian Mohammed Darwaza, who said it enabled him to feel the pain felt by children in Gaza.

I'll be interested to see how far and wide this spreads..

TommyKnocker

Wow, How messed up are the israeli zionists?

http://972mag.com/nstt_feeditem/israelis-on-facebook-wish-death-for-holocaust-survivors-against-protective-edge/

bumper234

user2011 wrote: »

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/palestinian-american-israels.html

I don't know what to say to any of the stuff in that piece. Big eye opener and very sad is all I can say.

I dare ANY of the Israeli apologists to read that and then explain how that is not blatant ****ing racism :mad:

old_aussie

user2011 wrote: »

Rubble bucket challenge anyone?

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/From-Jordan-to-Morocco-the-pro-Gaza-Rubble-Bucket-challenge-goes-viral-372129

I'll be interested to see how far and wide this spreads..

Maybe Bowie could do a promo song for the rubble bucket challenge

rubble rubble your face is a mess

bumper234

user2011 wrote: »

Rubble bucket challenge anyone?

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/From-Jordan-to-Morocco-the-pro-Gaza-Rubble-Bucket-challenge-goes-viral-372129



I'll be interested to see how far and wide this spreads..

I would love to see this take off, The howls from all the pro Israeli quarters as millions of euro flood into Palestinian aid relief coffers would be music to my ears.

TommyKnocker

Article from Pink Floyd's Roger Waters

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/25/pink_floyds_roger_waters_why_moral_perversity_of_u_s_position_in_gaza_is_stunning/


And a response from Rabbi Shmuley Boteach :rolleyes::rolleyes:

http://observer.com/2013/12/the-anti-semitic-stench-of-pink-floyd/