Scottie dogs at Commonwealth Games ceremony were 'disrespectful' to Muslims

rubadub

bluewolf wrote: »

Nobody was forcing them to touch the dogs

Exactly, the person holding the dog does not look to be doing it under duress or to be anyway stand-offish

http://static1.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1884105.1406652311!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/britain-commonwealth-games.jpg

I expect many people who call themselves Muslims would have not bother. Just like I imagine many catholic competitors availed of the free condoms handed out at the olympics.

Donkey Oaty

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Unless this guy registered his complaint with the games organisers.

No, he contacted the Daily Telegraph.

Hogzy

We have two dogs at home and had a guy (who is muslim) stay in our house for a few weeks. He was from a small town in Oman so wouldnt be familiar with western customs. He was perfectly happy petting, walking and playing with our dogs and regularly had them on the couch asleep on top of him.

He did mention that in Oman dogs are not kept as pets and are considered dirty. I totally understand this as nearly all the dogs in Oman would be a street dogs and would be filthy and probably dangerous as its essentially a wild animal. He was shocked when he saw the treatment our dogs got. Wouldnt stop taking videos of the dogs following simple commands like "sit", "Paw" etc. He was shocked that we had such control over them.

He was an absolute gent of a guy and goes to show the importance of seeing other peoples culture before you go judge someone.

BeerWolf

So ridiculous...

I know plenty of MODERN Muslims, in Malaysia, that owned dogs...

This is just the few, at the ceremony, taking offence for the sake of it.

Buzz Killington the third

They should have dressed the dogs like ninjas to cater for the Muslims.

Larbre34

Candie wrote: »

No one would give pigs a prominent position in a ceremony featuring a large number of Jews.

What, like Miss Piggy hosting the Oscars?

Larbre34

BeerWolf wrote: »

taking offence for the sake of it.

And there my friend, is extremism in religion in a nutshell.

Bog Standard User

Buzz Killington the third wrote: »

They should have dressed the dogs like ninjas to cater for the Muslims.

the bitches would need to wear doggie burkas

ART6

Remmy wrote: »

The dog is a scottish terrier and his name is Jock . I'm quite easily amused.

So was his leash called Jock strap?

Donkey Oaty

BeerWolf wrote: »

This is just the few, at the ceremony, taking offence for the sake of it.

It's even less than that - nobody at the ceremony complained, as far as I know - it was two Malaysian Islamists trying to make a name for themselves.

Nodin

mad muffin wrote: »

One gobshîte?

He represents a sizeable Muslim population :rolleyes:
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Bit odd him and his mate are the only ones mouthing off then, isn't it?

mad muffin

Nodin wrote: »

Bit odd him and his mate are the only ones mouthing off then, isn't it?

Not did at all. It's the heat. Makes people say stupid shït

Pumpkinseeds

I seriously doubt most muslims gave a damn about dogs at the Common Wealth games. Fecks sake, people seem determined to demonise all muslims because of the extremism of some muslims. I'm not sure if many muslims even watched the games, I know I didn't.

darkpagandeath

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I seriously doubt most muslims gave a damn about dogs at the Common Wealth games. Fecks sake, people seem determined to demonise all muslims because of the extremism of some muslims. I'm not sure if many muslims even watched the games, I know I didn't.

Well TBH these went to the paper, It's not one of them made up stories. If you go to the paper and go on about stupid things to do with your sky wizards/spaghetti monster people will call you up on it. Esp if it’s not even in your country, It’s just looking for offence. Most Muslims probably laugh at these lot just like the rest of us.

muddypaws

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Well TBH these went to the paper, It's not one of them made up stories. If you go to the paper and go on about stupid things to do with your sky wizards/spaghetti monster people will call you up on it. Esp if it’s not even in your country, It’s just looking for offence. Most Muslims probably laugh at these lot just like the rest of us.

Or the paper went to them. This was published in the Torygraph on the same day Cameron announced the new proposals for fracking licences. The opening ceremony was last Wednesday, the paper published the story on Monday, thats some delay.

Some of my British friends put links up to this story and were up in arms about it, not one said anything about fracking, so I guess it worked. Muslims are a very, very easy target in the UK if another story needs to be hidden.

Donkey Oaty

It was the Malay Mail [comments are worth a look] that broke the story, as far as I know, following a text message from Mr Outraged.

I get the impression from their story that he called the Telegraph, not the other way around.

Regardless, he has his five minutes of West-baiting.

ART6

I wonder if there will ever arise a non-PC culture where people will simply tell deeply offended Moslems and the followers of all other archaic beliefs to simply f**k off and stop being a pain in the ass?

darkpagandeath

ART6 wrote: »

I wonder if there will ever arise a non-PC culture where people will simply tell deeply offended Moslems and the followers of all other archaic beliefs to simply f**k off and stop being a pain in the ass?

Nope as you will never find "Religions" on the list of inciting hate crimes. Any people mouthing off Religious views regardless of Religion that is designed to incite hatred should be done for it under the law. If you standing on the street spouting hate, That's incitement to hatred. Not everyone believes in your particular brand of sky wizards, And what he may have said thousands of years ago.

Rezident

They hate dogs as well!? Why are dogs more unclean than other animals? Do they like anybody that's not exactly the same as they are!?

Karl Stein

Rezident wrote: »

They hate dogs as well!? Why are dogs more unclean than other animals? Do they like anybody that's not exactly the same as they are!?

In Europe and America,
there's a growing feeling of hysteria
Conditioned to respond to all the threats
In the rhetorical speeches of the Islamists
The Imam said we will bury you
I don't subscribe to this point of view
It would be such an ignorant thing to do
If the Muslims love their children too

RDM_83 again

I never knew dogs were considered unclean by Muslims at all :-\ in fact I thought they were important with breeds like the Saluki.

Wibbs wrote: »

Exactly. Even though dogs are considered "unclean", even very devout Muslims are allowed by their religion to keep dogs for protection and hunting IIRC. While cats have been seen as both gods and devils at various times in various cultures, dogs being seen as unclean is well odd in human culture. I can't think of another that thinks like that. We wouldn't be where we are as a species without them.

Most Muslims are like most Christians, pretty a la carte about much of their religions tenets.

Took a quick wiki/google of it and it seems there is basically a lot of argument and none of the anti-dog stuff is from the Qu'an itself but from the ḥadīths and even then it doesn't seem like whats being described at the commonwealth ceremony would be considered offensive to even a hardcore fundamentalist Muslim as the dogs are presumably being handled and kept by non-Islamic People of the Book and the Islamic athletes are not in direct contact with them particularly not their saliva.
I'm sure some one with actual knowledge of Islamic jurisprudence could correct me (but this is AH so they probably won't and I can rest assured that my 5 minutes of research will make me seem like an intellectual :P )

Nodin

RDM_83 again wrote: »

.................
I'm sure some one with actual knowledge of Islamic jurisprudence could correct me (but this is AH so they probably won't and I can rest assured that my 5 minutes of research will make me seem like an intellectual :P )

That's five minutes more than most put in.

RDM_83 again

RDM_83 again wrote: »

I never knew dogs were considered unclean by Muslims at all :-\ in fact I thought they were important with breeds like the Saluki.



Took a quick wiki/google of it and it seems there is basically a lot of argument and none of the anti-dog stuff is from the Qu'an itself but from the ḥadīths and even then it doesn't seem like whats being described at the commonwealth ceremony would be considered offensive to even a hardcore fundamentalist Muslim as the dogs are presumably being handled and kept by non-Islamic People of the Book and the Islamic athletes are not in direct contact with them particularly not their saliva.
I'm sure some one with actual knowledge of Islamic jurisprudence could correct me (but this is AH so they probably won't and I can rest assured that my 5 minutes of research will make me seem like an intellectual :P )

Yeah in seriousness I think it came from when dogs maybe were hanging around eating rubbish and actually being unclean. There's no basis for a lot of the dog hatred except some hadiths at most

Nodin

bluewolf wrote: »

Yeah in seriousness I think it came from when dogs maybe were hanging around eating rubbish and actually being unclean. .............

I'd say the tendency to lick you occasionally within scant seconds of licking their asses may have something to do with it as well.

RDM_83 again

bluewolf wrote: »

Yeah in seriousness I think it came from when dogs maybe were hanging around eating rubbish and actually being unclean.

Also when they do this

Spunge

Isnt it a primarily muslim region or culture that uses their actual hands to wipe themselves ?

mad muffin

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Also when they do this

Oh Jesus! :eek:

Unclean! Unclean!

magentis

Nodin wrote: »

I'd say the tendency to lick you occasionally within scant seconds of licking their asses may have something to do with it as well.

True.
Reminds me of that old joke.
Why does a dog lick his balls?
Because he can.

BrokenArrows

It saddens me that this even made the papers.

Nodin

BrokenArrows wrote: »

It saddens me that this even made the papers.

Romanians had the day off.

kylith

Spunge wrote: »

Isnt it a primarily muslim region or culture that uses their actual hands to wipe themselves ?

No. They use paper, there's a commandment regarding which hand they are allowed to hold the paper in which is where the confusion comes from.

preston johnny

kylith wrote: »

No. They use paper, there's a commandment regarding which hand they are allowed to hold the paper in which is where the confusion comes from.

Bet they don't use Andrex!

Nodin

preston johnny wrote: »

Bet they don't use Andrex!

That's one to fire at the Rabbi Imam.

preston johnny

Nodin wrote: »

That's one to fire at the Rabbi Imam.

What would he suggest you wipe your arse on............. Jews?

Nodin

preston johnny wrote: »

What would he suggest you wipe your arse on............. Jews?

Is there some reason you fired that ignorant remark at me?

BreadnBuddha

Nodin wrote: »

Is there some reason you fired that ignorant remark at me?

I thought it amusing, personally.

Is it that time of the month?

LizT

BreadnBuddha wrote: »

I thought it amusing, personally.

Is it that time of the month?

Really, is that the level of discussion we've sunk to?

BreadnBuddha

LizT wrote: »

Really, is that the level of discussion we've sunk to?

Really?

In a thread about two right wing Malaysian politicians getting the hump about a short legged dog named Jock who needed to be carried because he was bolloxed while in the same stadium as some people who happen to be Muslims and could possibly have been offended by the terriers presence?

Somehow Nodin decides to also be offended?

You're asking ME about the level of discussion? In some kind of incredulous or perhaps offended tone?

Jesus. Sorry....eh....Jeepers. How's that? Wouldn't want to cause any more misplaced umbrage.

I'm off to have a bacon sandwich, let the dog lick the frying pan afterwards, then I'll probably have a crap sometime later and wipe my arse with the correct hand in case I shake hands with any Muslims and after watching some Billy Connolly on YouTube. Don't worry though.... The rashers won't be offered to any Muslims, Jews or Jehovah's Witnesses, I'll keep the volume down on Billy in case delicate souls overhear his crude humour, I won't laugh out loud and I'll wash my face after kissing the dog goodnight.

I'll punt an oul prayer out there too and ask for forgiveness, as it'll make me feel good for no valid reason.

Yeah. Really.

biko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-IX69mjpcA

Arthur Beesley

Doesn't take much to offend them

Next we'll be expected to get rid of all dogs.

Health and safety gone mad.

SeanW

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

Doesn't take much to offend them

Next we'll be expected to get rid of all dogs.

Health and safety gone mad.

It being Scotland I wouldn't be surprised if they put the dogs to sleep over this ...

Bog Standard User

BreadnBuddha wrote: »

Really?

In a thread about two right wing Malaysian politicians getting the hump about a short legged dog named Jock who needed to be carried because he was bolloxed while in the same stadium as some people who happen to be Muslims and could possibly have been offended by the terriers presence?

Somehow Nodin decides to also be offended?

You're asking ME about the level of discussion? In some kind of incredulous or perhaps offended tone?

Jesus. Sorry....eh....Jeepers. How's that? Wouldn't want to cause any more misplaced umbrage.

I'm off to have a bacon sandwich, let the dog lick the frying pan afterwards, then I'll probably have a crap sometime later and wipe my arse with the correct hand in case I shake hands with any Muslims and after watching some Billy Connolly on YouTube. Don't worry though.... The rashers won't be offered to any Muslims, Jews or Jehovah's Witnesses, I'll keep the volume down on Billy in case delicate souls overhear his crude humour, I won't laugh out loud and I'll wash my face after kissing the dog goodnight.

I'll punt an oul prayer out there too and ask for forgiveness, as it'll make me feel good for no valid reason.

Yeah. Really.

dont ya mean Mohammad?

Reindeer

SeanW wrote: »

It being Scotland I wouldn't be surprised if they put the dogs to sleep over this ...

Or fry them.

BreadnBuddha wrote: »

Really?

In a thread about two right wing Malaysian politicians getting the hump about a short legged dog named Jock who needed to be carried because he was bolloxed while in the same stadium as some people who happen to be Muslims and could possibly have been offended by the terriers presence?
...
Somehow Nodin decides to also be offended?

There's a complete difference between being offending due to sensibilities, and being disappointed due to discourse.

Having said that, I am not sure one should be surprised at the level of discourse provided herein.

My issues with PC, especially religious PC, is there seems to be a recent detachment between being sensitive and being respectful. To remain secular, the respect has to be mutual. This is something religion , rife with it's ideas of entitlement, has been woefully inadequate at since it's inception. I really do not expect any sort of remedy, nor will I pretend there is one.

As far as sensitivity is concerned, I also find this varies to such a degree that there is no winning. Sure, give it a try. I do. Afterall, I have to share the world with everyone else, and I just do not have the energy to fight everyone. It seems to me that no one has maturity any more. I mean, you bring a dog to a pitch, say something off-colour about women or gays, etc, and the crowd piles on you. Sure, you probably deserve it. But the thing about it that bothers me is if you intend to parade about how you feel and what you think, that you should be prepared to hear someone else tell you to shove it. At which point, the proper response is to either tell them "Yor Ma" or "Fair enough". What bothers me is the crowd that comes crying to mother. This Malaysian crowd, the religious crowd, et al are no different. Stop being little babies, suck it up, respect yourself and others as much as you can, and don't go crying when someone tells you something you disagree with. That sort of behaviour is for children.

The_Captain

Tbh, if my religion forbade me from touching dogs and some goon handed me a dog, I'll tell him to jog on.

Its the second biggest religion in the world, it's not like its some tinpot religion confined to an island in the middle of the Pacific, not that hard to find out what animals are considered acceptable.

rubadub

The_Captain wrote: »

Tbh, if my religion forbade me from touching dogs and some goon handed me a dog, I'll tell him to jog on.

Nobody was handed a dog in this case. The person who picked up the dog of their own free will did not appear to be in anyway upset or under duress. They were holding the dog closely with a big smile on their face, I wouldn't even be like that holding a dog.

The_Captain wrote: »

Its the second biggest religion in the world, it's not like its some tinpot religion confined to an island in the middle of the Pacific, not that hard to find out what animals are considered acceptable.

Its not just animals, they would have to trace every law going. I doubt people are aware of a fraction of the laws of their OWN religion, which some gob****e could say will cause offence.

I mentioned condoms being handed out at the olympics, the poor catholic competitors must have been holed up in their rooms shaking with fear & stress after that fucking ordeal.

hairybelly

To be fair, scotties are pretty crap dogs.

Celly Smunt

Lads i can guarentee muslims are not offended by this nor did most of them even take notice. Nothing more than "get my name in the paper" attempt. Think of it as Nadia Forde saying everybody in Ireland is offended that Ireland didn't win the eurovision.

Madam

hairybelly wrote: »

To be fair, scotties are pretty crap dogs.

Your reason for that assertion?

darkpagandeath

Ha "Respect my right to be offended" Love that kind of phrase, I'm sorry you have no right to be offended. Anyone using them kind of terms should be told to jog on. Offence can be personal, It can be a social idea, What offends me may not offend you. You cant complain about hurt feelings or ideals. And I love this day and ages entitlement to respect like it's some kind of gangster film.