The superhero movie thing needs to stop...

meoklmrk91

I am so sick of all the Superhero movies, it seems like ever second new release is a super hero movie and its getting old. We did not need a new Spider-Man series, we do not need Batman Vs. Superman. Superman, Iron Man, X Men, Thor, Captain America, The Incredible Hulk, The Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy, Ninga Turtles and now we have to look forward to the upcoming Ant Man, the Fantastic 4 reboot, the Justice League, the movie where the Guardians of the Galaxy team up with the Avengers, etc. etc. you get my drift.

It's has even gone over to TV, with Arrow, Flash, Gotham, the 4 shows Netflix are doing, again etc. etc.

Don't get me wrong they have a place but there is literally too many of these series and more coming all the time, and lets be honest how many of these are really any good, the only ones that I would seriously rate although I gave up watching most were Nolans Batmans. I can't be the only one who is seriously sick of the whole superhero thing, I get that they are pretty much guaranteed to make money but there just seems to be such a lack of innovation and its really boring.

Fysh

Seems to me that the simplest thing to do would be to just not watch them, if they're not your cup of tea.

FortuneChip

The reason there's so many, and the reason it's gone over to TV as well is because there's an incredible amount of source material available.
I think they're way overhyped, but Superhero movies have provided some of the better blockbusters over the last decade or so.
There's been some great complex characters, and they're well developed over the sequels. Bruce Wayne is the obvious journey, but even Tony Stark's development from Avengers to Iron Man 3 (although didn't like IM3). Steve Rogers embodies his role more through each appearance. I dunno, I just think there's a lot more scope of Superhero movies than say another derivative sequel to horror franchises (Saw 7 & Paranormal Activity 5), or the horrible trend of rom-coms that pit the male & female against eachother (Bounty Hunter, Killers, The Break-Up).

They have their faults; namely the ultimate destruction in the third act (especially when it's not needed like in The Winter Soldier).
Actually, I'd say the biggest fault is the ridiculous need to include a post-credits scene! In an internet age, we don't need to be shown a 30 second teaser after 5 minutes of credits just to let us know there will be a sequel.

Skerries

Yeah I'm completely sick of other genres of film such as Romance and Musicals and hate when I am forced to watch them all...oh wait I'm not!

CrazySka

Well....we don't really NEED to have any movies, studios keep making them cause people keep watching them so you are clearly in the minority here...
I really like this genre, has it's bad movies sure but I still wanna see more of them.
I especially like way the avengers universe has been built and connected and look forward to seeing more, so I'd echo the above, if you don't like em then don't watch em!!

jacksie66

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Sirsok

Yeah they are to many horror movies for my liking, and what is it with all these drama movies, remember those bloody westerns, so many of them to.... It's just a genre, that may go bust the way westerns did, but people seem to enjoy them. I don't understand why it bugs people when it doesn't directly effect your life. Obviously your entitled to voice your opinion on the matter, but for years people have only really had reeves superman movies and keatons batman movies, so for us fan of comic book characters it is so refreshing to see....

Mickeroo

Number of Superhero movies released so far this year - 3

Number of which were really any good - 2.

scouttio

Its just a trend that you get in film. Early cinema it was the musicals. In the 60s you had westerns. In the 70s it was the tense spy thrillers. In the 80s it was the one man killing machine action films. Now its superhero movies. Eventually another type of film will surpass it as the most popular genre

ps3lover

Mickeroo wrote: »

Number of Superhero movies released so far this year - 2.

Number of which were really any good - 2.

Isn't the number 3?
Captain America 2
Spider-Man 2
X-Men - Days Of Futures Past.

brianregan09

Mickeroo wrote: »

Number of Superhero movies released so far this year - 2.

Number of which were really any good - 2.

Spiderman 2, X-Men, Cap 2 makes 3

and in my opinion they were all good

Mickeroo

ps3lover wrote: »

Isn't the number 3?
Captain America 2
Spider-Man 2
X-Men - Days Of Futures Past.

My bad. Forgettable is exactly how I would describe Spider-Man 2 anyway.

szatan84

This trend is exactly why I stopped going to cinema and I don't have a tv at the house. All of this is so predictable it's boring.

Mickeroo

szatan84 wrote: »

This trend is exactly why I stopped going to cinema and I don't have a tv at the house. All of this is so predictable it's boring.

Because of superhero films? Why don't you just watch other stuff? There's loads of great films in the cinema at the moment that aren't superhero related.

Tipsy McSwagger

They can keep making crappy Spiderman movies as long as someone gives the green light to Hellboy 3.

e_e

szatan84 wrote: »

This trend is exactly why I stopped going to cinema.

You've stopped going to the cinema because the minority of what's on doesn't catch your fancy?

SnakePlissken

szatan84 wrote: »

This trend is exactly why I stopped going to cinema and I don't have a tv at the house. All of this is so predictable it's boring.

I really don't like mushrooms, this is exactly why I no longer buy any food as my local Tesco refuses to remove their mushrooms from sale.

meoklmrk91

Just to be clear, I do not watch them! The reason I am so sick of them is because it feels like every second release is a superhero movie. Like I have said they have there place but jeez things have gotten a bit stagnant with regards to cinema releases.

thebostoncrab

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Just to be clear, I do not watch them! The reason I am so sick of them is because it feels like every second release is a superhero movie. Like I have said they have there place but jeez things have gotten a bit stagnant with regards to cinema releases.

But as stated already, 4 films this year have been superhero flicks (Xmen, Spider-Man, Captain America and Guardians), how exactly is 4 films out of hundreds a problem?

e_e

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

Just to be clear, I do not watch them! The reason I am so sick of them is because it feels like every second release is a superhero movie. Like I have said they have there place but jeez things have gotten a bit stagnant with regards to cinema releases.

Not true at at all, I'd wager that for sheer variety the cinema is as good as it's ever been.

In fact I'm looking at the Cineworld page now and there isn't a single superhero movie on.

e_e

I mean superhero is far from my favorite genre but I still manage to see and enjoy at least 2 or 3 new releases a week regardless of their existence.

Harry Palmr

They need to stop but not because they are juvenile shiote but because the whole American film industry (I stress industry) is utterly in thrall to them. The sheer amount of resources being tied up in these films means money, time and effort that might be spent making other types of films (that are not rom-coms and goofball comedies) isn't available. So desperate are the majors to keep the edifice upright one or two big names are almost certainly going to come a cropper. Obviously it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people but still it would be a pity for all the grown ups to be squeezed out.

ancapailldorcha

Harry Palmr wrote: »

They need to stop but not because they are juvenile shiote but because the whole American film industry (I stress industry) is utterly in thrall to them. The sheer amount of resources being tied up in these films means money, time and effort that might be spent making other types of films (that are not rom-coms and goofball comedies) isn't available. So desperate are the majors to keep the edifice upright one or two big names are almost certainly going to come a cropper. Obviously it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people but still it would be a pity for all the grown ups to be squeezed out.

These films are made for profit, like it or not. Refusing to make a product that is likely to sell is poor business. There haven't been that many superhero flicks this year and it is a bubble that could easily burst but they are currently very lucrative.

endacl

I for one agree with the OP. I am in the process of drafting a strongly worded letter to Hollywood, outlining my displeasure at their failure to fulfil their obligation to me.

Who's with me?

:mad:

johnny_ultimate

The day superhero films genuinely dominate schedules, then there's cause for concern. We're a long long way from that - film is as vast and varied a medium as it has ever been, and there's never been more counter-programming available to everyone uninterested whatever mass-produced blockbusters are being released

As ever, if one dost feel the need to protest, go out of your way to check out the plethora of good stuff always out in the cinema. You have films as diverse as Boyhood, Joe, Mistaken for Strangers, Mood Indigo knocking around schedules at the moment, and August is looking like a great month for releases. Even if you don't have access to an independent or arthouse cinema (although there's been some superior multiplex fare released this season too!) if you're posting here I'd wager you have an endless supply of great new films to keep anyone occupied.

For every superhero film (and there's a few good ones amidst the noise) there's probably 100 or a 1000 alternatives - there's some way to go before I'd start consider it being worth eradicating for the greater good!

ScumLord

The worst thing about superhero movies is they keep rebooting, so their essentially telling the same part of the superhero story over and over again with different actors.

There's essentially no need to show the origins story for Batman, Superman or spiderman ever again. Any time I see reboot I lose interest because I've seen that film already.

ancapailldorcha

ScumLord wrote: »

The worst thing about superhero movies is they keep rebooting, so their essentially telling the same part of the superhero story over and over again with different actors.

There's essentially no need to show the origins story for Batman, Superman or spiderman ever again. Any time I see reboot I lose interest because I've seen that film already.

Yeah, and the longer a series goes on the sooner they break out nonsense like time travel, resurrections, clones, etc...

endacl

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Yeah, and the longer a series goes on the sooner they break out nonsense like time travel, resurrections, clones, etc...

Because the original premise isn't nonsensical?

Adamantium

At least the western was more grounded and (could) be a little less of a power fantasy.

Found this fantastic post on the Watchmen IMDB page summing up this era of popular cinema trends:

Because Marvel has decided to saturate the market of CBM and release 3-5 per year on top of DC who is planning a DCU ( at least 2 per year soon). This market will be flooded and die out in the next 10 years.

So lets pretend it's 2027 and CBM are starting to bomb at the Box Office and Disney pulls the plug on Marvel after it's milked it for everything it could for 15 years. DC has made it's version of the cash cow Marvelish Universe (Snyderverse) and we look back on the hundreds of CBM made at that point (most of them being the same format with the same scenarios over and over). People will look at "Watchmen" (2009) and realize how amazing it truly is. This film did something none of the others have, it was a successful rated "R" CBM.

It sticks out like a sore thumb when sitting next to Spider-Man, Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Guardians of the Galaxy, and other over the top one liner joke, good guys are good and bad guys are bad (black and white) white toast, cookie cutter films.

Every Generation has it's wave of success with certain genres of film.

In the late 1930s-1950s it was EPIC (4 hour) movies like "Lawrence of Arabia" "Gone with the Wind" "Ben-Hur" etc...
In the 1960s-1970s it was Westerns usually featuring John Wayne or Clint Eastwood
In the 1980s-1990s it was Cop/War Action Flicks usually featuring Stallone, Arnold, Bruce Willis, etc...
Finally in the early 2000s Spider-Man and X-Men started a new generation of Comic Book films

My prediction is when this CBM phase dries up and mainstream moves on to the next thing, there will be five films that stand up (Other than the Reeve Superman films and Burton Batman films which were classics before this genre exploded)

1. The Dark Knight (You could say the entire trilogy as one story, but mostly TDK 2008)
2. Spider-Man (It will be viewed as the one that started the big mainstream Box Office explosion)
3. Watchmen (It will be the artistic yet dark/gritty rated R hit. It is different and stands out)
4. Superman Returns (A lot of people are going to disagree with this, but it is critically acclaimed and stands out)
5. The Avengers (First team up film, unless the JLA tops it in 2016)

e_e

ScumLord wrote: »

The worst thing about superhero movies is they keep rebooting, so their essentially telling the same part of the superhero story over and over again with different actors.

There's essentially no need to show the origins story for Batman, Superman or spiderman ever again. Any time I see reboot I lose interest because I've seen that film already.

I think it's a question of whatever the next film makers bring to it. Amazing Spider-Man in particular felt like being robbed of 2 hours and 10 euro to me.

ancapailldorcha

endacl wrote: »

Because the original premise isn't nonsensical?

I'm referring to escalation. To begin with, you'll have battles for a city or a country, then it's the world, then a galaxy, then parallel earths and so on. Because these films take so long to make, it hasn't really set in yet. It has become apparent that Marvel will be very reluctant to kill off any of their characters as most of them have their own franchises.

Brief_Lives

Adamantium wrote: »

At least the western was more grounded and (could) be a little less of a power fantasy.

Found this fantastic post on the Watchmen IMDB page summing up this era of popular cinema trends:

that quote was a nice find, and it echoes my sentiments exactly.... (maybe replacing Superman returns with The first x-men or days of future past,.. both were outstanding).

pixelburp

ScumLord wrote: »

The worst thing about superhero movies is they keep rebooting, so their essentially telling the same part of the superhero story over and over again with different actors.

There's essentially no need to show the origins story for Batman, Superman or spiderman ever again. Any time I see reboot I lose interest because I've seen that film already.

Wait now, I think that's a crime guilty of the comics industry full-stop; it certainly can't be laid at the feat of cinema. How many times has Batman been rebooted, retconned, had history simply forgotten, been sent to an alternate dimension, 'what-if'ed and generally had the mythology given a once over in the funny pages? Hell, no better example of the corruption of narrative in comics than the infamous 'death' of Superman, whose story arguably killed death itself from comics. If Superman can rise from the grave, why not anyone else?

We might cry and complain about Hollywood's endless desire to reboot cherished classics, but that medium has nothing on DC and Marvel: they've made a business plan from that mentality. Ultimately I worry that Marvel's dogged desire to interlink ALL their franchises will eventually cause the same net effect that happened with their comics, which to me are an incomprehensible and suffocating clusterf*ck of contradictory mythologies, worldspaces, and narratives. Impenetrable at worst and bewildering at best.

As for the numbers of superher films, well it has already been said that comicbook films make up the slim minority of overall output: declaring that this is why you don't go to the cinema is silly. Jersey Shore airs on MTV, but I still watch TV.

It must be said they do dominate the summer / blockbuster schedules and that's a concern. Why take a chance on an original IP when you can simply adapt another comic. Then again, Edge of Tomorrow was one of these adaptations and one of the best blockbuster films of the summer, so it's not all bad if the studio make an effort. Pity it tanked, cos it deserved much more.

Harry Palmr

Adamantium wrote: »

At least the western was more grounded and (could) be a little less of a power fantasy.

Every Generation has it's wave of success with certain genres of film.

In the late 1930s-1950s it was EPIC (4 hour) movies like "Lawrence of Arabia" "Gone with the Wind" "Ben-Hur" etc...
In the 1960s-1970s it was Westerns usually featuring John Wayne or Clint Eastwood
In the 1980s-1990s it was Cop/War Action Flicks usually featuring Stallone, Arnold, Bruce Willis, etc...
Finally in the early 2000s Spider-Man and X-Men started a new generation of Comic Book films

Found this fantastic post on the Watchmen IMDB page summing up this era of popular cinema trends:

Have to disagree with the first two. The epically long epic was a feature but such was the cost they were not a mainstay, the Golden Era studio system liked prestige releases but not too many.

While the traditional western was largely moribund by the early 60s , they were not a box office mainstay with only the odd big hit which was when the oater was successfully tweaked with a "groovy" modern sensibility - Cat Ballou, Blazing Saddles (comedy), Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid (smart buddy movie), Dollars trilogy (fancy European stylised violence) and so on. Your average Wayne western was a very modest presence after the Alamo.

SherlockWatson

Adamantium wrote: »

At least the western was more grounded and (could) be a little less of a power fantasy.

Found this fantastic post on the Watchmen IMDB page summing up this era of popular cinema trends:

Blade should be remembered as the movie that kept comic book movies alive!

Zubeneschamali

The supposed five best in that quote are middle of my list at best.

1. The Dark Knight

Eh, no, TDK was an overlong, confused mess.

2. Spider-Man

Boring.

3. Watchmen

Different, yes. Brilliant, no.

4. Superman Returns

Hopeless retread of Reeve's superman, deservedly forgotten already.

5. The Avengers

A fun romp, but hardly memorable cinema.For me, the standout comic-book movies are:

1. Iron Man
2. Batman Begins

then a wide gap to:

3. Thor
4. Hulk (yes, I liked Hulk. Sue me.)

5. Captain America: The First Avenger

SherlockWatson

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The supposed five best in that quote are middle of my list at best.

1. The Dark Knight

Eh, no, TDK was an overlong, confused mess.

2. Spider-Man

Boring.

3. Watchmen

Different, yes. Brilliant, no.

4. Superman Returns

Hopeless retread of Reeve's superman, deservedly forgotten already.

5. The Avengers

A fun romp, but hardly memorable cinema.For me, the standout comic-book movies are:

1. Iron Man
2. Batman Begins

then a wide gap to:

3. Thor
4. Hulk (yes, I liked Hulk. Sue me.)

5. Captain America: The First Avenger

They're not his his top 5 critically speaking as far as I'm aware, they're the top 5 comic book movies of significance I think he is saying!

Zubeneschamali

SherlockWatson wrote: »

They're not his his top 5 critically speaking as far as I'm aware, they're the top 5 comic book movies of significance I think he is saying!

No, he's saying:

My prediction is when this CBM phase dries up and mainstream moves on to the next thing, there will be five films that stand up

In other words, these are the "Shane", "True Grit", "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly", and "High Noon" of CBMs.

Don't see what the big deal is, at best we get 5 or 6 comic book inspired films a year and they generally do enough at the box office that the studios are able to take a risk on a few less mainstream offerings. Looking through the past years releases and we really do live in a great time for cinema. There's something for everybody out there at the minute and with multiplexs regularly getting in left field offerings and smaller films we really are spoilt for choice.

ps3lover

Every film that's on in the cinema should cater to ME and only to ME, **** everyone else.

krudler

It's not like you go to the cinema and see every time slot full of comic movies, I just had a look at the local cinema listings here and the only comic movies are Guardians which came out yesterday and one place still showing X-Men 1-2 times a day at the end of its run. There's been what 4 comic movies so far this year? We're now 8 months into the year so that's hardly a massive number.

Looper007

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The supposed five best in that quote are middle of my list at best.

1. The Dark Knight

Eh, no, TDK was an overlong, confused mess.

This alone makes me want to find you and go all Hulk on your ass :pac:

One of the greatest films (YES I said it) of the last 20 years with one of the most iconic performances pit to screen, that doesn't dumb itself down or speaks down to it's audience. You call it a overlong confused mess, jesus wept.

Looper007

They make superhero movies cause it Makes big bucks and that's what cinema is all about for the studios. Art or making a statement means jack**** to the money men. Some of them suck but some of them are actually made by talented people who actually make great commercial blockbuster cinema that everyone can enjoy. I love a great superhero film just as much as I love arthouse or good drama.

I totally agree with the OP its a big joke and making a mockery of the art of cinema. However I agree with the second poster too, and have adopted the strategy of simply not watching them anymore. And suddenly I have much less bitterness towards superhero/comic book movies now. Its just a matter of reminding yourself to avoid! Theres more important things to get bitter about

krudler

Deleted User wrote: »

I totally agree with the OP its a big joke and making a mockery of the art of cinema. However I agree with the second poster too, and have adopted the strategy of simply not watching them anymore. And suddenly I have much less bitterness towards superhero/comic book movies now. Its just a matter of reminding yourself to avoid! Theres more important things to get bitter about

There are far, far worse films released to be annoyed about than mostly entertaining Marvel/comic movies. What about the godawful films Adam Sandler makes, or anything Tyler Perry puts out? those horrendous Disaster Movie type spoofs, made by the two most untalented people in Hollywood?

I have this crazy idea where I dont go to movies I don't want to watch, it works out surprisingly well.

ancapailldorcha

krudler wrote: »

There are far, far worse films released to be annoyed about than mostly entertaining Marvel/comic movies. What about the godawful films Adam Sandler makes, or anything Tyler Perry puts out? those horrendous Disaster Movie type spoofs, made by the two most untalented people in Hollywood?

I have this crazy idea where I dont go to movies I don't want to watch, it works out surprisingly well.

You missed tat like Keith Lemon and this:



Fair enough if someone doesn't like the superhero stuff and a lot of it is formulaic in fairness but it's so far from being the worst of today's selection and people will still persist in moaning about them.

krudler

Is..that real?

ancapailldorcha

krudler wrote: »

Is..that real?

Yes. I wish it wasn't but it is.

ancapailldorcha

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

You missed tat like Keith Lemon and this:



Fair enough if someone doesn't like the superhero stuff and a lot of it is formulaic in fairness but it's so far from being the worst of today's selection and people will still persist in moaning about them.

The problem with people defending superhero films using another film to back up the point kinda negates the whole point of it. Now I have no interest in a film such as Pudsey the Dog but I'm not supposed to. It's a film for kids and if they enjoy it then it's done it's job. I just had the pleasure of watching Alvin and the Chipmunks: Chipwrecked with my little brother and enjoyed it far more than I should have thanks mainly to his reaction to the various gags and pratfalls. It's not a film that I would ever have watched were it not for the him but honestly, I've seen far worse films made for adults by adults.

Mal-Adjusted

Deleted User wrote: »

its a big joke and making a mockery of the art of cinema.

you're going a bit over the top now. make sure your monocle doesn't fall out...

Mal-Adjusted

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

you're going a bit over the top now. make sure your monocle doesn't fall out...

Mmm I suppose if I reply to your effort to take the piss I'll get an infraction or banned as usual. If you like a diet of kids movies, thats your prerogative, personally I like films that I can't predict the exact plot and outcome of the movie before I sit down, but thats just me. I like to be able to think and not be in a permanent state of Bieber Fever.