Protestors disrupting World War 1 commemoration at Glasnevin

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Deleted User wrote: »

Where are joyriders when ya need them?

They are the joyriders!

mariaalice

I have read through this and its not making sense, anyone want to give me the cliff notes on this, republican sinn fein are protesting re the presents of representatives of the British army at Glasnevin, but it is alright for individual members of sinn fein to mean the Queen who is head of the British army on an other occasions?

Happyman42

Hunterbiker wrote: »

Dave Cameron isn't Britain. And the point there is that the reaction to that remark confirms that The British don't glorify war.
And there you go wheeling out the same old BS about the UK being a warmonger / lap dog of the US...
I blame the internet...did you sit in the back of the class during History?

Have you been to a miltary graveyard in Britain...there you will see what I mean about glorification.
Even go to a children's play like Warhorse and you will see that even if it deals with the horrors of war it still makes the ultimate sacrifice a glorious thing.
Stick your head in the sand if you wish, the evidence of this is all over the pages of history.

Your last bit speaks volumes about the low opinion of your forebares.

If an honest opinion is a 'lowly' one then you are correct. I don't confer good sense and judgement on people just because they happen to be dead. It (their choice) is what it is, and was.

Nodin

mariaalice wrote: »

I have read through this and its not making sense, anyone want to give me the cliff notes on this, republican sinn fein are protesting re the presents of representatives of the British army at Glasnevin, but it is alright for individual members of sinn fein to mean the Queen who is head of the British army on other occasions?

Republican Sinn Fein =/= Sinn Fein

Hunterbiker

mariaalice wrote: »

I have read through this and its not making sense, anyone want to give me the cliff notes on this, republican sinn fein are protesting re the presents of representatives of the British army at Glasnevin, but it is alright for individual members of sinn fein to mean the Queen who is head of the British army on other occasions?

Re Sinn Fein /Republican Sinn Feinn just check out Monty Python's Life of Brian - the bit about the Popular Judean Front...

Kermit.de.frog

Why were these people allowed within 100 meters of the ceremony?

K-9

circadian wrote: »

It really got out of hand.

WW1, the protestors or the thread?

mariaalice

Nodin wrote: »

Republican Sinn Fein =/= Sinn Fein

Martin McGuinnesse met the Queen who is head of the British army, republican sinn fein are not the same?

Nodin

mariaalice wrote: »

Martin McGuinnesse met the Queen who is head of the British army.

FFS......Martin McGuinness is not a member of Republican Sinn Fein. RSF and SF are two different organisations.

Karl Stein

Hunterbiker wrote: »

Dave Cameron isn't Britain.

Cameron very much personifies the British establishment who still have a strong imperialist streak running through them. Check out Andy Windsor speaking the uncomfortable truth:

Addressing the Ambassador directly, Prince Andrew then turned to regional politics. He stated baldly that "the United Kingdom, Western Europe (and by extension you Americans too") were now back in the thick of playing the Great Game. More animated than ever, he stated cockily: "And this time we aim to win!"

wikileaks.org

And there you go wheeling out the same old BS about the UK being a warmonger / lap dog of the US...

The UK very much is the junior partner in the US's imperial project.

Hunterbiker

Happyman42 wrote: »

Have you been to a miltary graveyard in Britain...there you will see what I mean about glorification.
Even go to a children's play like Warhorse and you will see that even if it deals with the horrors of war it still makes the ultimate sacrifice a glorious thing.
Stick your head in the sand if you wish, the evidence of this is all over the pages of history.



If an honest opinion is a 'lowly' one then you are correct. I don't confer good sense and judgement on people just because they happen to be dead. It (their choice) is what it is, and was.

I have been to many CWGC Cemeteries and thing that comes through is the futility of war that point is made time and time again as its designed in to the fabric of the place.
Its easy to fooled by the language 'The Glorious Dead' etc but don't be mistaken this is about paying respect to a lost generation and not about glorifying war.

War Horse is a work of fiction and should be treated as such.

frostyjacks

They're entitled to protest if they feel like it. Not everyone subscribes to the establishment view on WWI.

Hunterbiker

Karl Stein wrote: »

Cameron very much personifies the British establishment who still have a strong imperialist streak running through them. Check out Andy Windsor speaking the uncomfortable truth:





The UK very much is the junior partner in the US's imperial project.

A). Again thats Dave and Andy...but still very much a really tiny part of the British.
American..... can't be arsed thats just to lazy to be worthy of a retort.

mariaalice

So republican sinn fein are the one involved in the drug gangs and killing each other each other on the north side of Dublin or is that a different lot.

Fudge You

VinLieger wrote: »

Good god you are disgusting

blueser wrote: »

''Imperialist'', ''imperialism and ''elitism''.

Hunterbiker wrote: »

Can I add 'you're' to that list?

blueser wrote: »

And an upper case 'S' at the beginning of a sentence?

Why are these comments allowed?
Is it because they were aimed at a poster who has views that are going against the popular opinion on the thread?

Hunterbiker

frostyjacks wrote: »

They're entitled to protest if they feel like it. Not everyone subscribes to the establishment view on WWI.

I think its the manner of the protest thats the problem.
Luckily we live in a place that allows this...thing is part of the reason for that goes back to these huge conflicts

Hunterbiker

Fudge You wrote: »

Why are these comments allowed?
Is it because they were aimed at a poster who has views that are going against the popular opinion on the thread?

Its churlish I know...sorry
I was going to query how people with a strong anti British feeling stomach having to speak English but I decided not to...glad I didn't really.

Strazdas

frostyjacks wrote: »

They're entitled to protest if they feel like it. Not everyone subscribes to the establishment view on WWI.

They disrupted the commemoration though and were even shouting during the President's speech and the minute's silence.

AudreyHepburn

frostyjacks wrote: »

They're entitled to protest if they feel like it. Not everyone subscribes to the establishment view on WWI.

Of course they are. But there is a time and place and outside a graveyard where there is not alone a memorial in progress, but presumably people visiting loved ones graves is not it.

3rdDegree

Nodin wrote: »

FFS......Martin McGuinness is not a member of Republican Sinn Fein. RSF and SF are two different organisations.

To an outsider, this would read like a scene from The Life Of Brian!

Happyman42

Hunterbiker wrote: »

I have been to many CWGC Cemeteries and thing that comes through is the futility of war that point is made time and time again as its designed in to the fabric of the place.
Its easy to fooled by the language 'The Glorious Dead' etc but don't be mistaken this is about paying respect to a lost generation and not about glorifying war.

I wasn't talking about war graveyards, I was talking about military graveyards.
Quite flabbergasted that you cannot see how war is routinely glorified by the British. Obviously the propaganda designed to get the gullible to take up arms is still working on some.

Karl Stein

Hunterbiker wrote: »

A). Again thats Dave and Andy...but still very much a really tiny part of the British.

Which is why I said the British Establishment and not the British people.

American..... can't be arsed thats just to lazy to be worthy of a retort.

Okay, you don't like facts.

Hunterbiker

Happyman42 wrote: »

I wasn't talking about war graveyards, I was talking about military graveyards.
Quite flabbergasted that you cannot see how war is routinely glorified by the British. Obviously the propaganda designed to get the gullible to take up arms is still working on some.

Can you show me the differnce between a 'Military' graveyard and a 'War Cemetery'. I'm assuming we're talking UK here too?
I will check back once I've read some propaganda...

K-9

mariaalice wrote: »

So republican sinn fein are the one involved in the drug gangs and killing each other each other on the north side of Dublin or is that a different lot.

Probably or close connections. Waits for post saying Republicans of any description would never get involved in drugs.

Fudge You wrote: »

Why are these comments allowed?
Is it because they were aimed at a poster who has views that are going against the popular opinion on the thread?

People are allowed to post Grammar Nazism, they usually are carded though! Give the mods a chance to see them or get a reported post.

Hunterbiker

Karl Stein wrote: »

Which is why I said the British Establishment and not the British people.



Okay, you don't like facts.

Oh I love facts. I just prefer taking them all into account rather than cherry picking them...

And This establishment is bigger than 2 people...

Happyman42

Hunterbiker wrote: »

Can you show me the differnce between a 'Military' graveyard and a 'War Cemetery'. I'm assuming we're talking UK here too?
I will check back once I've read some propaganda...

Clue: Where the military bury their dead when there is no war cemetery.

Miguel_Sanchez

Shouting "Brits Out" during a minutes silence to commemorate the Irish men who died in WWI and shouting to disrupt the Irish president when he's making a speech.


These morons really know what they're at alright.

Macavity.

Disgusting bastards.

Winty

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

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What will Gerry the paedophile protector Adams say about this, Will he condemn it ?

blueser

Fudge You wrote: »

Why are these comments allowed?
Is it because they were aimed at a poster who has views that are going against the popular opinion on the thread?

So; some of those comments upset/annoy/irritate you? No more so than some of the other comments on here (or the actions of the idiots in Glasnevin) have upset other people on the thread. I know which I find more objectionable. However; each to their own.

twowheelsgood

These protestors are pretty much the equivalent of the loyalists fleggers that they have up North, less anyone thinks we are not afflicted by the same muck.

davycc

fleet_admiral wrote: »

I tolerated the shinners before today, now I absolutely hate them

These gob****es are RepuplicanSinnFein crazy insignifant little evil party nothing to do with Gerry Adams Sinn Fein at all BTW in case you or anybody else manage to confuse the two..

Donkey Oaty

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but two of the protestors have been pepper sprayed and arrested, according to the Mirror.

A senior source explained: "The two men were in the cemetery carrying placards and screaming abuse.
"They were asked to leave by gardai but refused to do so and continued to cause trouble.
"The pair were pepper-sprayed and arrested. They have been brought to Mountjoy Garda station."

end of the road

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why were these people allowed within 100 meters of the ceremony?

because its a free country, the guardai handled it the right way

Winty

davycc wrote: »

These gob****es are RepuplicanSinnFein crazy insignifant little evil party nothing to do with Gerry Adams Sinn Fein at all BTW in case you or anybody else manage to confuse the two..

Ya like chalk and cheese, Sinn Fein have a long history supporting Irish men and women in the British Armed Forces

K-9

Winty wrote: »

What will Gerry the paedophile protector Adams say about this, Will he condemn it ?

Winty wrote: »

Ya like chalk and cheese, Sinn Fein have a long history supporting Irish men and women in the British Armed Forces

God loves a trier, hates a chancer though!

blueser

end of the road wrote: »

because its a free country, the guardai handled it the right way

Does that extend to people having the right to hold a peaceful commemoration ceremony, in a graveyard, without being heckled and shouted at by protestors?

Hunterbiker

Happyman42 wrote: »

Clue: Where the military bury their dead when there is no war cemetery.

As far as I know the Commonwealth Wargraves Commission have a hand in practically all military graves in The UK and abroad. Since the UK started to return remains families have the chance to make their own arrangements many opt for a military headstone (white portland stone) other choose a different memorial.
As far as I am aware any military cemetary (Brookwood, Colchester, Aldershot) are looked after by The CWGC?

As for whats there you see uniformity. Layout is the same headstones ate the same.
The difference of opinion is that you see the things I see as respecting the dead as Glorification of death. To me its the Glorification of the human spirit.

Happyman42

Hunterbiker wrote: »

The difference of opinion is that you see the things I see as respecting the dead as Glorification of death. To me its the Glorification of the human spirit.

:D

clashburke

In June, in my seventeenth year, I had decided to see what this Great War was like. I cannot plead I went on the advice of John Redmond or any other politician, that if we fought for the British we would secure Home Rule for Ireland, nor can I say I understood what Home Rule meant. I was not influenced by the lurid appeal to fight to save Belgium or small nations. I knew nothing about nations, large or small. I went to the war for no other reason than that I wanted to see what war was like, to get a gun, to see new countries and to feel a grown man. Above all I went because I knew no Irish history and had no national consciousness

Tom Barry's quote from his book on his reasons for joining the BA. Its from Wiki but defiantly in the book. Some men just went for the experience before the stories of the trenches, gas attacked where reported etc.

Many republicans fought in WW1 and just because they didn't return doesn't mean they should be remembered. A representative of the CWGC is justified and the band of the Army they died in is also justifiable.

It was a commemoration of Irish men who died in the BA in WW1 don't see the need for RSF to protest against it not like it was for the Black&Tans or B Specials.

keeponhurling

Strazdas wrote: »

I imagine there has to be an acknowledgement they were fighting for the British Empire and technically for the British King at the time (and they would have marched off to war with the Union Jack as their flag).

They also need to sensitive to the fact that the event is taking place in Ireland, where many British army atrocities were carried out.
Or am I missing something ?

Hunterbiker

Cut and paste reponse about being stuck in the past / unable to move forward...

jjbrien

hmmmm i wonder was this guy protesting there again today

keeponhurling

frostyjacks wrote: »

They're entitled to protest if they feel like it. Not everyone subscribes to the establishment view on WWI.

If people want to hold a silence in a public place for something, I don't think they can actually force other people to be quiet.

That's the whole poignant thing of a silence, universal respect. The soldiers of WW1 don't have universal respect in Ireland. That's a fact regardless of your own personal view on them.

As other posters said before , it's a free country with right to protest or indeed shout sometimes

Hootanany

LordSutch wrote: »

Maybe they're sore the germans didn't win?

Seriously though, there are enough 'prime candidate' posters on here who may very well be out threre protesting (presumably because so many Irish men fought with the allies). If the poppy threads on boards.ie are anything to go by there is an annual outporing of pure hatred at any and all WWI commemorations in Ireland, so I guess these dim wit hecklers may represent their sentiments? questionmark.

But the Royal Family are Yerman

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mariaalice

Hunterbiker wrote: »

Cut and paste reponse about being stuck in the past / unable to move forward...

I often wonder how you would explain it all to a bunch of aliens, its about imperialism, religion, class politics, racism, criminality and flags and having a very long memory and never forgetting anything.

keeponhurling

Phoenix wrote: »

I believe they do have a right to protest but i disagree with their application of the protest,all they have achieved by this is played right int the hands of their enemies

But it acts as a reminder that British army are not welcome by everyone, due to their past misdeeds
If there was no protest we wouldn't even be discussing this

Happyman42

mariaalice wrote: »

I often wonder how you would explain it all to a bunch of aliens, its about imperialism, religion, class politics, racism, criminality and flags and having a very long memory and never forgetting anything.

You forgot Photoshop vvvv :rolleyes:

jjbrien wrote: »

hmmmm i wonder was this guy protesting there again today

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