Protestors disrupting World War 1 commemoration at Glasnevin

davycc

Winty wrote: »

What will Gerry the paedophile protector Adams say about this, Will he condemn it ?

this RSF /Egri 32c have nothing to do with Gerry Adams SF as you well know

Winty

davycc wrote: »

this RSF /Egri 32c have nothing to do with Gerry Adams SF as you well know

Yes your correct that Gerry Adams has nothing to do with today but I asked if he was pushed on the subject would he agree or disagree with the protest

knird evol

I believe in the manner of their protest. But not their right to protest.

Jesus.

FTA69 wrote: »

At the end of the day, WW1 was fundamentally about a clash of empires and rival ruling classes who used millions of young men as cannon fodder in pursuit of an imperial goal. It was wholesale slaughter on a terrible scale and there was nothing noble or laudable about the goals for which it was fought.
As I said, I have no problem with commemorating the Irish war dead; it's a pretty massive part of our history after all. My main problem is when it latches onto British symbolism such as the poppy, the Union Flag, British aristocrats and the British Army. As far as I'm concerned there's nothing positive about any of that lark and it's something we should be moving away from.

But who said it was noble or laudable? Didn't you hear the President's address? He said the very same thing as you!

As for the British Army and symbolism being present, you do realise they were part of the British Army at the time? It was perfectly appropriate to have reps of both Army's there.

Its depressing noting how many "likes" you've gotten an' all...

Strazdas

According to RSF on their Facebook page tonight, they do not want "royals or royal servants" setting foot on Irish soil, so that is what their protest was about today.

How that stance can justify disrupting a solemn memorial service including the one minute's silence and heckling the Irish President as he spoke is anyone's guess.

And according to the Irish Times this evening, they were also shouting "Brits out" and "Higgins, you traitor", so it seems the heckling of the President was quite deliberate.

Young Blood

Although not a supporter of 32csm or Republican SF, I would say fair play to these guys for taking a stand against the revisionism this state loves to indulge in.

One of the fundamental freedoms we enjoy in Ireland is freedom of expression and these guys were excising just that. If you don't like what they have to say move the Saudi Arabia or China.

I like to express myself freely on the internet and through my mobile phone even if our so called democratic state thinks differently.

What happen today is disgrace and they are right, Higgins is a traitor.

How dare they dishonor the decent men buried in that cemetery.

Jesus.

Patser wrote: »

There were Guards at the gate but I'd say they were taking the approach of just keep them out. If they tried arrest them or move them on, that crowd would just scream Garda brutality, peaceful protest etc and feed off the publicity.

The Guards shouldn't have allowed that situation to develop in the first place. There should have been a cordon around the Cemetery for such an important event and the "protesters" could have shouted to their heart's content from afar.

P_1

Nodin wrote: »

This isn't a Sinn Fein protest, its being held by Republican Sinn Fein who split off in the 1980's.



Don't generalise whatever you do.

well if they were true republicans then where the hell were they when the establishment was busy kow towing to Rome and having our citizens treated like slaves in places like tuam

Nodin

P_1 wrote: »

well if they were true republicans then where the hell were they when the establishment was busy kow towing to Rome and having our citizens treated like slaves in places like tuam

Take it up with them.

Jesus.

Happyman42 wrote: »

This is what angers me about the 'official' approach to commemoration here.
Men and women fought for many reasons in WW1, God Save The Queen or King would have meant nothing to them. And a goodly proportion of Irish enlisted where ultimately conned and gave their lives in absolute vain.(IMO they all did, but that is another argument altogether) Many who survived where repulsed and ashamed afterwards. Many went awol during the war to try and get back to Ireland to do something about what other battalions of the British Army (who they had been fighting for :eek:) where doing.

Our commemorations NEVER reflect that, or the unique reasons for why so many went and they are coming perilously close to again doffing the hats to our former imperialist masters.

In saying that I do not condone what happened today.

Another poster who conveniently didn't hear the main speech of the occasion. Go and replay the President's speech or get a transcript and then come back and amend your misleading post.

Donkey Oaty

Young Blood wrote: »

I like to express myself freely on the internet and through my mobile phone even if our so called democratic state thinks differently.

In what way are you being censored, exactly?

Strazdas

Jesus. wrote: »

The Guards shouldn't have allowed that situation to develop in the first place. There should have been a cordon around the Cemetery for such an important event and the "protesters" could have shouted to their heart's content from afar.

Which is what happened when the Queen and President McAleese visited the Garden of Remembrance for example. It would have been an utter disgrace if those scumbags had been allowed disrupt the wreath laying ceremony (which was actually honouring the people of 1916 and the War of Independence).

LordSutch

end of the road wrote: »

... it was and is the british army and government, the british army will always be an enemy...

The enemy of the IRA yes, but as Irish people the BA are not our enemy.

My name is URL

Unsurprising to see people lambaste 'republicans' in general for the actions of a small coterie of fucktards

Jesus.

Bogger77 wrote: »

Tom Barry, being one that springs to mind

Barry blotted his copybook big time when he (apparently) was involved in the murder of a retired British naval officer in Cork in 1936

Jesus.

Young Blood wrote: »

What happen today is disgrace and they are right, Higgins is a traitor. How dare they dishonor the decent men buried in that cemetery.

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

Madam

I just love the way the Irish on here call Lizzie 'The Queen'

Madam

Jesus. wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

What feckin age are you?

Strazdas

Madam wrote: »

I just love the way the Irish on here call Lizzie 'The Queen'

She's not our Queen, but I imagine the term "the Queen" would be recognised by anyone in the English speaking world as referring to Queen Elizabeth II

joe swanson

Absolute scumbags.

/thread

LeBash

I drove by ot twice today and it was about 20 people.

i can understand Republicans disliking British soldiers if you are that way inclined but it was a comemeration for Irish troops. Does that mean they are pissing on the graves of Irish men who fought off Kaiser and the gang

Strazdas

LeBash wrote: »

I drove by ot twice today and it was about 20 people.

i can understand Republicans disliking British soldiers if you are that way inclined but it was a comemeration for Irish troops. Does that mean they are pissing on the graves of Irish men who fought off Kaiser and the gang

The quarter of a million Irishmen were "traitors" don't you know :rolleyes:

Madam

LeBash wrote: »

I drove by ot twice today and it was about 20 people.

i can understand Republicans disliking British soldiers if you are that way inclined but it was a comemeration for Irish troops. Does that mean they are pissing on the graves of Irish men who fought off Kaiser and the gang

You do know as an Irish person you are all regarded as republicans? Lol

Aineoil

It's just disgusting and depressing. Men gave their lives.......and to dishonour them and their memories is just awful.

Protesters? or agitators? (The people who protested)

Protest by all means.....but there is a time and a place.

BarryLyndon

They have a right to protest, but it wasn't the most tasteful way to go about it. The Gardai slipped up though.

It is interesting to see how people interpret these events (the memorial...), and how much of their own prejudices they are projecting onto it i.e. whether or not they see it as solemn remembrance, or the glorifying of past deeds. Apparently Germany do not have a formal day of remembrance on Armistice Day (I was not aware of this). I would have thought a truly symbolic remembrance of these events would include both sides. Otherwise it could always be open to interpretation that you are celebrating your dead, rather than commemorating the tragic loss of a generation of this continent's men (for what?).

Mosby61

Winty wrote: »

What will Gerry the paedophile protector Adams say about this, Will he condemn it ?

Well when he stooped to that level anything else pales in comparison as far as he would be concerned.

My name is URL

Winty wrote: »

What will Gerry the paedophile protector Adams say about this, Will he condemn it ?

Wasn't it the PSNI that protected that pedophile? =/

Did the victim not confide with police on a few occasions only to be ignored by inspectors that were more interested in what she had to say about Gerry Adams?

Great bunch of lads

Mosby61

keeponhurling wrote: »

But it acts as a reminder that British army are not welcome by everyone, due to their past misdeeds
If there was no protest we wouldn't even be discussing this

This is hilarious. The conflict is over, when will some understand? The Queen has been in the Republic and paid respects in commemoration and even stood for the Irish national anthem. Higgins has been to the UK and met her majesty.

There is absolutely no excuse to still carry on with this attitude that British people from Northern Ireland or the rest of the UK or the British Army are the bad guys and should be opposed.

When will you ever move on? The Queen can not do any more to heal divisions. These Republican lunatics who have twisted Wolfe Tones view and have an aggressive ideology don't want peace but to make sure the last "Brit" is forced to the sea.

No excuse for that attitude now.

Jesus.

Madam wrote: »

What feckin age are you?

Two thousand and fourteen years

budsalt

My grandfather was in the Dubs and fought at Galipolli in 1915 and later at the battle of the Somme with the legendary 16th Irish Div. His brother died at the battle of Jutland and I am extremely proud of both of them. My grandfather survived and died in 1963. He is buried in Glasnevin.

Ireland should look forward and not backwards!

Jesus.

Madam wrote: »

I just love the way the Irish on here call Lizzie 'The Queen'

DUH! Who else do you think they're referring to you idiot? The fukking Queen of Sheba???

carpejugulum

signostic wrote: »

Was watching it live on RTE News, they chanted when the Duke was making his speech and when our President spoke although I could not make out what they were chanting..

don't cut the dole?

end of the road

Winty wrote: »

Yes your correct that Gerry Adams has nothing to do with today but I asked if he was pushed on the subject would he agree or disagree with the protest

i'm sure you could contact him and ask?

end of the road

Jesus. wrote: »

The Guards shouldn't have allowed that situation to develop in the first place. There should have been a cordon around the Cemetery for such an important event and the "protesters" could have shouted to their heart's content from afar.

why? not the guards duty to stop people from shouting, fine you disagree with them, but just because you do doesn't mean they should have been stopped from doing it/kept away, as i said the guards handeled it the right way

jjbrien

budsalt wrote: »

My grandfather was in the Dubs and fought at Galipolli in 1915 and later at the battle of the Somme with the legendary 16th Irish Div. His brother died at the battle of Jutland and I am extremely proud of both of them. My grandfather survived and died in 1963. He is buried in Glasnevin.

Ireland should look forward and not backwards!

My grandfather was a mechanic in the RAF its where he learned his trade. He joined as he didnt like what the germans were doing thankfully he came home from the war. These small minded people need to learn that we have moved on as a country. The british were the only ones who gave us a generous loan with no strings attached when the country got itself into its current mess. The way I see the British people these days are they are our cousins sometimes we don't get on with them but they are ok and will help out when needed. We have more in common with the UK than any other country.

LeBash

Madam wrote: »

You do know as an Irish person you are all regarded as republicans? Lol

Who said im Irish?

end of the road

Strazdas wrote: »

Which is what happened when the Queen and President McAleese visited the Garden of Remembrance for example.

exactly, and it was discusting, our whole city was more or less in lock down for an old woman who is irrelevant and has no power.

Strazdas wrote: »

It would have been an utter disgrace if those scumbags had been allowed disrupt the wreath laying ceremony (which was actually honouring the people of 1916 and the War of Independence).

maybe, but they had more of a right to be there then the queen or other members of the british royal family

carpejugulum

end of the road wrote: »

maybe, but they had more of a right to be there then the queen or other members of the british royal family

:pac:
So which one were you?

Hunterbiker

It was only locked down because of a bunch of idiots who still believe bombs and death get results...and it was also locked down because Obama was calling too (but that is probably okay...)

can I meet you in central Dublin and you can give me a keepsake from the past that you seem to be stuck in...

end of the road

My name is URL wrote: »

Wasn't it the PSNI that protected that pedophile? =/

Did the victim not confide with police on a few occasions only to be ignored by inspectors that were more interested in what she had to say about Gerry Adams?

Great bunch of lads

thats exactly it, however any excuse to bash gerry adams

end of the road

Mosby61 wrote: »

This is hilarious. The conflict is over, when will some understand? The Queen has been in the Republic and paid respects in commemoration and even stood for the Irish national anthem. Higgins has been to the UK and met her majesty.

There is absolutely no excuse to still carry on with this attitude that British people from Northern Ireland or the rest of the UK or the British Army are the bad guys and should be opposed.

When will you ever move on? The Queen can not do any more to heal divisions. These Republican lunatics who have twisted Wolfe Tones view and have an aggressive ideology don't want peace but to make sure the last "Brit" is forced to the sea.

No excuse for that attitude now.

in an irish context the british army will always be bad guys until the last bit of vermin who murdered a civilian in northern ireland is dead.

Hunterbiker

end of the road wrote: »

thats exactly it, however any excuse to bash gerry adams

Any excuse to bash:
The Queen / Lizzie / Mrs Windsor..
The PNSI
The Britush Army
The British
The English
The North
etc etc etc...

hatrickpatrick

end of the road wrote: »

in an irish context the british army will always be bad guys until the last bit of vermin who murdered a civilian in northern ireland is dead.

Death isn't good enough in my view. I want to see some criminal convictions and jail time.

budsalt

jjbrien wrote: »

My grandfather was a mechanic in the RAF its where he learned his trade. He joined as he didnt like what the germans were doing thankfully he came home from the war. These small minded people need to learn that we have moved on as a country. The british were the only ones who gave us a generous loan with no strings attached when the country got itself into its current mess. The way I see the British people these days are they are our cousins sometimes we don't get on with them but they are ok and will help out when needed. We have more in common with the UK than any other country.

I wonder how many others on this forum had family members who fought in WWI?

Can anyone please tell me how to insert a photo?

Hunterbiker

end of the road wrote: »

in an irish context the british army will always be bad guys until the last bit of vermin who murdered a civilian in northern ireland is dead.

I call BS!
Its not an Irish context its your own context and the the other jokers who share that sad outdated opinion.

end of the road

jjbrien wrote: »

My grandfather was a mechanic in the RAF its where he learned his trade. He joined as he didnt like what the germans were doing thankfully he came home from the war. These small minded people need to learn that we have moved on as a country. The british were the only ones who gave us a generous loan with no strings attached when the country got itself into its current mess. The way I see the British people these days are they are our cousins sometimes we don't get on with them but they are ok and will help out when needed. We have more in common with the UK than any other country.

they are not our cousins unless they are directly related, they gave us the lone because were intitled to it as compensation for the murdering of civilians by the BA during the troubles. the fact we have things in common means nothing as nobody is discussing the british people but the government and military

Jesus.

end of the road wrote: »

why? not the guards duty to stop people from shouting, fine you disagree with them, but just because you do doesn't mean they should have been stopped from doing it/kept away, as i said the guards handeled it the right way

Seriously? So during the annual Rising commemoration, you'd be okay with a mob shouting and heckling beside the GPO during the minutes silence or the reading of the Proclamation? Are you having a laugh here pal?

I hope you never get the job of organising State events :eek:

hatrickpatrick

Hunterbiker wrote: »

I call BS!
Its not an Irish context its your own context and the the other jokers who share that sad outdated opinion.

It doesn't matter which specific conflict one is commemorating or whether or not one agreed with that specific conflict. To some, the very organization itself is disgraced and therefore shouldn't be shown any official recognition by the state.

hatrickpatrick

Jesus. wrote: »

Seriously? So during the annual Rising commemoration, you'd be okay with a mob shouting and heckling beside the GPO during the minutes silence or the reading of the Proclamation? Are you having a laugh here pal?

I hope you never get the job of organising State events :eek:

Freedom to protest and freedom of speech? Yep, I'd be ok with it. I wouldn't approve of it, but I'd respect their right to make a protest.

end of the road

Hunterbiker wrote: »

It was only locked down because of a bunch of idiots who still believe bombs and death get results...and it was also locked down because Obama was calling too (but that is probably okay...)

can I meet you in central Dublin and you can give me a keepsake from the past that you seem to be stuck in...

our city being in lockdown for an irrelevant old woman and a war criminal isn't okay, they should have both come for a day and went home if they had to come