Protestors disrupting World War 1 commemoration at Glasnevin

Jesus.

any1butdublin3 wrote: »

I am a republican and I have 4 ancestors who died in the war, they came from a nationalist family and some of the brothers were even in the IRA.
In modern Ireland all the British Army WW1 celebrations comes hand in hand with being Anglo-Irish, many of the men who died weren't Anglo-Irish or unionist.

How do you make that out? Did you actually watch it today? The Irish Defence Forces were there, giving their commands in Irish. The Irish President was there, giving parts of his speech in Irish. Amhran na Bhfian was played etc etc. Did you just block all that out?

I think the perfect balance was struck between both the Irish and British dimensions to a war when Ireland was part of the UK.

Some people are just never happy.

davycc

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Sinn Fein would protest the opening of an envelope if they thought it would get them media attention. Bunch of shameless attention whores. The people who voted for them only have themselves to blame. They should have been left in the gutter, where they belong.

Its not SinnFein its the Egri RSF and 32CSA crowd , you may want to try reading the page 1 of this thread:rolleyes:

Jesus.

wazky wrote: »

I think alot of people are using this action by about 20 so called republicans as a stick to beat Sinn Fein.

There'd be one way to counter that. If SF condemned, not so much the protest itself but the nature of the protest, tomorrow then they'd shut them up straight away.

But I doubt we'll hear anything from them.

Happyman42

Jesus. wrote: »

There'd be one way to counter that. If SF condemned, not so much the protest itself but the nature of the protest, tomorrow then they'd shut them up straight away.

But I doubt we'll hear anything from them.

You shouldn't really be commenting on things you patently don't understand.

Jesus.

Please do elaborate, oh happy one

end of the road

Jesus. wrote: »

There'd be one way to counter that. If SF condemned, not so much the protest itself but the nature of the protest, tomorrow then they'd shut them up straight away.

they wouldn't shut up, they won't shut up no matter what SF does

Jesus. wrote: »

I doubt we'll hear anything from them.

and rightly so, not their job to say anything, if they decide to great, if they don't, so be it

Happyman42

Jesus. wrote: »

Please do elaborate, oh happy one

Sigh, if you don't understand that these protesters are diametrically opposed to SF and any thing they might say, then it is time for your beddy byes.

any1butdublin3

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The vast majority of the Irish population are nationalist. If they weren't we wouldn't be living in a republic. These "protesters" most definitely do not represent the views of the vast majority of the Irish people.

They aren't, it was their ancestors who were nationalists, people just assume they are nationalists because there hasn't been an offer to rejoin the union for them to accept.

Strazdas

any1butdublin3 wrote: »

But just look how the army were treating N.Ireland catholics just a couple of decades ago, many of those catholics had grandfathers, etc who fought in WW1, it is a pity they couldn't show some respect and compassion when marching like thugs around the streets of N.Ireland

The British army were only a symptom of the problem in Northern Ireland. The real conflict was between loyalists and republicans. Take the British army out of the equation and loyalist and republican paramilitaries would still have been waging war on each other's communities.

davycc

Jesus. wrote: »

There'd be one way to counter that. If SF condemned, not so much the protest itself but the nature of the protest, tomorrow then they'd shut them up straight away.

But I doubt we'll hear anything from them.

These crazy hate filled protestors are nothing got to do with gerry adams SF BTW..

I wouldnt see any need for SF to make any statement on the matter.

any1butdublin3

Jesus. wrote: »

How do you make that out? Did you actually watch it today? The Irish Defence Forces were there, giving their commands in Irish. The Irish President was there, giving parts of his speech in Irish. Amhran na Bhfian was played etc etc. Did you just block all that out?

I think the perfect balance was struck between both the Irish and British dimensions to a war when Ireland was part of the UK.

Some people are just never happy.

I haven't seen the footage yet but I am going by attitudes of Anglo-Irish people I have experienced in the past, the sort of people who would wear a poppy and think the British Army can do no wrong.

marienbad

any1butdublin3 wrote: »

They aren't, it was their ancestors who were nationalists, people just assume they are nationalists because there hasn't been an offer to rejoin the union for them to accept.

How do you know ?

Kermit.de.frog

any1butdublin3 wrote: »

They aren't, it was their ancestors who were nationalists, people just assume they are nationalists because there hasn't been an offer to rejoin the union for them to accept.

Fact is we would not be living in a republic if the majority were not nationalist. Statement of the obvious.

Are you trying to tell me most Irish people don't support self determination?

If that was the case no one would have to make an offer. Every party in the Dáil is defacto a nationalist party.

The shinners and republican fanatics have never held a monopoly on nationalism or republicanism in Ireland.

any1butdublin3

Strazdas wrote: »

The British army were only a symptom of the problem in Northern Ireland. The real conflict was between loyalists and republicans. Take the British army out of the equation and loyalist and republican paramilitaries would still have been waging war on each other's communities.

Yes but many of them deserve to be viewed as legalised terrorists by their actions towards people who were their own citizens, they treated them like they were aliens and in reality they were just a people with a tradition not so far removed from the northern British (Scottish)

any1butdublin3

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Fact is we would not be living in a republic if the majority were not nationalist. Statement of the obvious.

Are you trying to tell me most Irish people don't support self determination?

If that was the case no one would have to make an offer. Every party in the Dáil is defacto a nationalist party.

The shinners and republican fanatics have never held a monopoly on nationalism or republicanism in Ireland.

True i suppose but many are not true Irish republicans, many are as anti-N.Ireland catholic as Willie Frazer and co.

marienbad

any1butdublin3 wrote: »

True i suppose but many are not true Irish republicans, many are as anti-N.Ireland catholic as Willie Frazer and co.

How do you know ?

Strazdas

any1butdublin3 wrote: »

Yes but many of them deserve to be viewed as legalised terrorists by their actions towards people who were their own citizens, they treated them like they were aliens and in reality they were just a people with a tradition not so far removed from the northern British (Scottish)

Certainly, they behaved very badly at times towards the nationalist community (Bloody Sunday, their shoot to kill policy etc) but as I said, they were merely the symptom of a violent conflict between republicanism and loyalism. It's not as if the British Army had any particular opinion on NI remaining within the UK or becoming part of a united Ireland.

Kermit.de.frog

any1butdublin3 wrote: »

True i suppose but many are not true Irish republicans, many are as anti-N.Ireland catholic as Willie Frazer and co.

Not true. Most people are sensible with the north. They are far from anti north. They would aspire to unity one day but they are not stupid and understand the complex issues involved.

This heroic bunch outside Glasnevin are not sensible. They are fanatics and scrotes. They do more damage to any prospect of progress because they are a total embarrassment. No right thinking person wants anything to do with them.

P_1

any1butdublin3 wrote: »

True i suppose but many are not true Irish republicans, many are as anti-N.Ireland catholic as Willie Frazer and co.

Again, the warped view of Irish republicans does not represent what republicanism actually is. How are their views on people of different or no religions, LGBT people, people of different nationalities or indeed people who have the temerity to disagree with them consistent with Liberté, Égalité or Fraternité?

I am a republican but not an Irish republican.

pO1Neil

Fair play to them, out their against savage wolves of the Free State secret police protesting against poppy fascism. More power to them.

syklops

K-9 wrote: »

A good few soldiers came back and fought for independence, but I suppose nuances are kind of lost on these people.

A good few came back and led the fight for independence. Men who were trained to fight, to strip, clean and maintain arms, trained in tactics, discipline and fitness.

any1butdublin3

Young Blood wrote: »

Can you believe Theresa Valliers was at this? The same woman who earlier this year denied an inquest into the Ballymurphy Massacre. Shocking.

Laughable, the actual soldiers would be turning in their graves, most of them

FierceMild

pO1Neil wrote: »

Fair play to them, out their against savage wolves of the Free State secret police protesting against poppy fascism. More power to them.

Free State. Poppy Fascism. Secret Police.

I've never seen so many Dissident Republican buzzwords in a sentence before.

pojfexcsc

Strazdas wrote: »

It's not as if the British Army had any particular opinion on NI remaining within the UK or becoming part of a united Ireland.

Of course they did they didn't spend all this time over here "keeping the peace" in many instances British Army and Loyalist paramilitaries were two cheeks of the same arse, without the help of the brits the loyalists wouldn't of been anywhere near as sophisticated or effective in their actions, intelligence gathering etc.

As much of a right they have to protest they clearly made an arse out of themselves for everyone to see, not as if dissident offshoots have any popular support in the country anyway.

Was sickened to hear Villiers had the neck to be anywhere near a commemoration for the dead after her denial of a public inquiry into the Ballymurphy massacre.

budsalt

any1butdublin3 wrote: »

Yes but many of them deserve to be viewed as legalised terrorists by their actions towards people who were their own citizens, they treated them like they were aliens and in reality they were just a people with a tradition not so far removed from the northern British (Scottish)

Besides all the kneecapping,kidnaps,executions and other punishments dished to the RC people in N/Ireland we also have Omagh and Enniskillen as well.

It would do the protesters well to remember the atrocities carried out by republicans on the people of N/Ireland.

Hunterbiker

pojfexcsc wrote: »

Of course they did they didn't spend all this time over here....


Was sickened to hear Villiers had the neck to be anywhere near a commemoration for the dead after her denial of a public inquiry into the Ballymurphy massacre.

The British Army are 'there' as in NI not 'here' as in the RoI - unless you are referring to pre independebce times.

Theresa Villiers is Secretary of State for Northern Ireland so was there as the UK Govt representative I imagine.

VinLieger

My god the armchair republicanism of "dem brits did dis and dat to us" popping up in this thread is as hilarious as it is depressing

hatrickpatrick

Jesus. wrote: »

Right beside the fukking GPO? What if it was the Orange Order that were booing and heckling in two years time at the Centenary? During the minutes silence all you hear is chants of "terrorists" and "murderers" in reference to the 1916 leaders.

You'd be A okay with that?

I never said I'd be "okay" with it in any way, I simply said that I would respect their right to free expression regardless of how distasteful that expression might be.

AudreyHepburn

Madam wrote: »

I just love the way the Irish on here call Lizzie 'The Queen'

I love how people get on their high horses about the pettiest things.

She's not our Queen but she is a Queen - why should not refer to her as such?

AudreyHepburn

end of the road wrote: »

in an irish context the british army will always be bad guys until the last bit of vermin who murdered a civilian in northern ireland is dead.

A word of advise - stop trying to speak for all the Irish, as if we all as blinded by hate and caught in the past as you.

The vast majority of us know it's time to move on and want to do so.

People like you are the reason the North is still a time-bomb.

P_1

end of the road wrote: »

in an irish context the british army will always be bad guys until the last bit of vermin who murdered a civilian in northern ireland is dead.

In your opinion. Sadly it's people who share your opinion that leads to people getting killed over silly things like bits of coloured cloth and bronze age fairy tales.

RollieFingers

God Save The Queen, she's welcome over this side of the pond at any time!

StudentDad

This is disgraceful behaviour. The attempted denigration of the legacies of men and women who went to war on our behalf. They were doing their patriotic duty when the country was at war.

It's hard to take seriously the yaps of small dogs who bark at those who paid the ultimate price for our benefit.

SD

bumper234

Nice to read this morning that the guards pepper sprayed a couple of these idiots and arrested them.

Jesus.

Happyman42 wrote: »

Sigh, if you don't understand that these protesters are diametrically opposed to SF and any thing they might say, then it is time for your beddy byes.

Well that's quite obvious isn't it? What I'm saying is, sometimes silence can be deafening. The other posters were quite wrong when they had a pop at SF over this. SF had nothing to do with this. RSF despise Adams, McGuinness et al.

All I'm saying is - admittedly probably in a bad way - is that for SF to continue to make inroads into the Southern electorate, it is very important that they repeatedly distance themselves from these groups because as we've seen on this thread, people are easily confused between official Sinn Fein and other groups using the Sinn Fein name.

Strazdas

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I love how people get on their high horses about the pettiest things.

She's not our Queen but she is a Queen - why should not refer to her as such?

In the English speaking world, "the Queen" is nearly always taken to mean Queen Elizabeth.....it's not as if there is some rival queen of equal importance on the global stage who it could also refer to, so it's perfectly acceptable for Irish people to refer to her as "the Queen".

Jesus.

any1butdublin3 wrote: »

I haven't seen the footage yet but I am going by attitudes of Anglo-Irish people I have experienced in the past, the sort of people who would wear a poppy and think the British Army can do no wrong.

With respect mate but that's where you've gone wrong here. Perhaps its understandable but you've gone on previous without giving the actual event that took place a chance.

I know what you're saying though.

Jesus.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I never said I'd be "okay" with it in any way, I simply said that I would respect their right to free expression regardless of how distasteful that expression might be.

Nobodies saying anything against freedom of expression. What I'm saying is, when solemn State events take place, protesters should be kept at a distance where they can't disrupt the ceremony.

If you're honestly telling me that in two years time it would be appropriate to allow the Orange Order just a few feet away from the GPO to destroy the occasion for the Irish people then I think you've lost the plot pal.

hatrickpatrick

Jesus. wrote: »

Nobodies saying anything against freedom of expression. What I'm saying is, when solemn State events take place, protesters should be kept at a distance where they can't disrupt the ceremony.

In other words, at a distance where their objections can be ignored and go unacknowledged.

If you're honestly telling me that in two years time it would be appropriate to allow the Orange Order just a few feet away from the GPO to destroy the occasion for the Irish people then I think you've lost the plot pal.

Fair enough. I haven't, though.

pojfexcsc

Hunterbiker wrote: »

The British Army are 'there' as in NI not 'here' as in the RoI - unless you are referring to pre independebce times.

Theresa Villiers is Secretary of State for Northern Ireland so was there as the UK Govt representative I imagine.

Here as in Ireland yes.

I'm clearly fully aware who that hypocritical bitch is.

SEPT 23 1989

Strazdas wrote: »

In the English speaking world, "the Queen" is nearly always taken to mean Queen Elizabeth.....it's not as if there is some rival queen of equal importance on the global stage who it could also refer to, so it's perfectly acceptable for Irish people to refer to her as "the Queen".

They call her the "British Queen":D

Santa Cruz

Strazdas wrote: »

It's surely one of the worst stunts Irish republicans have ever pulled. You do not go along and disrupt a solemn memorial service for the dead.

ENNISKILLEN

AudreyHepburn

any1butdublin3 wrote: »

But just look how the army were treating N.Ireland catholics just a couple of decades ago, many of those catholics had grandfathers, etc who fought in WW1, it is a pity they couldn't show some respect and compassion when marching like thugs around the streets of N.Ireland

In all fairness an awful lot of those Irish Catholics were just bad as the British.

Atrocities were committed on both sides, as I think we all well know, and those who were involved were no more than thugs and terrorists, they don't deserve compassion.

end of the road

Strazdas wrote: »

It's not as if the British Army had any particular opinion on NI remaining within the UK or becoming part of a united Ireland.

didn't they? really? yeah.

end of the road

FierceMild wrote: »

Free State. Poppy Fascism. Secret Police.

I've never seen so many Dissident Republican buzzwords in a sentence before.

Poppy Fascism exists and is a severe threat to societies where it exists, those involved in Poppy Fascism are as extreme in their view as the likes of isis but not as violent, or even not violent at all

snaphook

Were any of them wearing the new Man U jersey?

pojfexcsc

Its mad how in everyday life I'd be seen as quite a moderate Nationalist but on this thank christ unrepresentative of the majority website any type of Nationalist outlook is looked down on with such disdain, anyone with any sort of Republican outlook may aswell be a mental bomber in some peoples eyes.

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

In all fairness an awful lot of those Irish Catholics were just bad as the British.

Atrocities were committed on both sides, as I think we all well know, and those who were involved were no more than thugs and terrorists, they don't deserve compassion.

If its really that simple for you then I think you need to have a broader outlook on the subject.

Both sides committed horrible acts clearly but the fact one was one of the supposed most respected armies in the world going around killing and torturing innocent people who in their eyes were citizens they were supposed to be looking after is where the waters get muddy.

Could you really blame a man or woman whos family were murdered by these forces and look down their guns at your wife,child everyday from resisting them?

end of the road

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

A word of advise - stop trying to speak for all the Irish, as if we all as blinded by hate and caught in the past as you.

The vast majority of us know it's time to move on and want to do so.

People like you are the reason the North is still a time-bomb.

when the last bit of BA vermin who murdered a civilian in northern ireland is dead and northern ireland is returned back under irish rule then we can all move on, until then i and many others will keep speaking the truth and the people will listen whether they want to or not, and whether they like it or not

Strazdas

end of the road wrote: »

didn't they? really? yeah.

Why would the British Army want NI to remain within the UK? The Troubles were a sectarian conflict between republicanism and loyalism and also republicanism waging war on the British state. The Army were not the main players on the stage and were placed into the middle of it by their government. For sure, they behaved very badly at times but they were not the main cause of the sectarian conflict, more a symptom.

end of the road

RollieFingers wrote: »

God Save The Queen, she's welcome over this side of the pond at any time!

as long as you and everyone else who agrees pays for it, i don't see why i and those of us who don't want her should have to pay for her