John Hearne encouraging bombing of Israel

Facts

There is no doubt that the Sinn Fein mask slipped on this occasion & who else but our own John Hearne to do it. Shameful comments that the the only way Israel will take notice is through an act such as Canary Wharf - IRA bombing of London in 1996 which killed 2 & injured 40!

Now I'm all for a two state solution and an immediate cease fire as the indiscriminate killings have been disgraceful but promoting the bombing of another country as a solution is downright disgraceful. Someone in public office encouraging such action should not be in office in my opinion and I think it's just a case of Sinn Fein letting their mask slip, will Sinn Fein expel him for such a stance? As if!!

Journal article, I can't add link apparently as I'm a new user

obezyana

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/gaza-faces-precipice-death-toll-tops-1400

Here have a read of this and see how long it takes for you to change your sensationalist post...... Israel is killing left right and centre and you get hot and bothered over John Hearnes comments over a week ago.

Is this another thinly veiled Shinners hate club thread if so you should just go to After Hours as it's full of them you'll fit right in.

Facts

Your comments are straight out of the Sinn Fein love in club! Christ you obviously didn't read what I said, it's disgraceful what is happening, Israel have huge questions to answer of the indiscriminate killings of huge numbers of Palestinians but for an elected councillor to encourage a bombing is an utter disgrace & if you can't recognise that you are clearly blinded by loyalty to the individual or party. I on the other hand am just an ordinary individual who doesn't believe that violence will solve anything!

obezyana

Yes I love Sinn Fein. I did read what you wrote and it's another Shinners bashing thread that are so prevalent on AH. Go check out the AH section you will love it.

Sully

The comments were made only 10 days into the conflict. Now that the comments are more public, he is backtracking on what he said. If Sinn Fein intend to treat fire with fire, an eye for an eye and all that jazz than it reveals a completely different side to the party that for so long tried to steer away from the angle of violence that is constantly attached to them.

Treat violence with violence? 10 days into the conflict? Would this be Sinn Fein's response if in government to any form of conflict? If the UN take on Israel it's just going to create a bigger problem. It was 10 days into the conflict he made the comments so god only knows what he would suggest now if the same discussion popped up on local radio.

You can't suggest after 10 days of a conflict that a third party needs to jump in all guns blazing and result in more innocent civilians killed and more blood spilled. A notion that has followed the party following it's on involvement in conflict over the years in the North.

Said article about the comments is here; http://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-shell-israel-1598898-Jul2014/

obezyana

Sully wrote: »

The comments were made only 10 days into the conflict. Now that the comments are more public, he is backtracking on what he said. If Sinn Fein intend to treat fire with fire, an eye for an eye and all that jazz than it reveals a completely different side to the party that for so long tried to steer away from the angle of violence that is constantly attached to them.

Treat violence with violence? 10 days into the conflict? Would this be Sinn Fein's response if in government to any form of conflict? If the UN take on Israel it's just going to create a bigger problem. It was 10 days into the conflict he made the comments so god only knows what he would suggest now if the same discussion popped up on local radio.

You can't suggest after 10 days of a conflict that a third party needs to jump in all guns blazing and result in more innocent civilians killed and more blood spilled. A notion that has followed the party following it's on involvement in conflict over the years in the North.

Said article about the comments is here; http://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-shell-israel-1598898-Jul2014/

I'm sure John regrets saying it in the way he did but tbh all that's happening here now is people jumping at the chance to slay anyone or anything to do with Sinn Fein it's fast becoming the thing to do on Boards now.

Btw I must add I don't have anything to do with Sinn Fein or John Hearne I just responded as the Sinn Fein bashing is getting ridiculous. I consider all the political parties in this Island as lying self serving (for the most part) parochial groups of people who (again for the most part) don't give a sh!te about the ordinary joe soap. The thing about about John Hearne is at least he appears to give a toss by standing up to some unsavoury elements of Waterford at least he shows up to support people who need it at least he is out and about for people to see and people are responding in a positive way to him and that is something that no one can deny no matter how much they may dislike him or Sinn Fein.

Cabaal

obezyana wrote: »

The thing about about John Hearne is at least he appears to give a toss by standing up to some unsavoury elements of Waterford at least he shows up to support people who need it at least he is out and about for people to see and people are responding in a positive way to him and that is something that no one can deny no matter how much they may dislike him or Sinn Fein.

So what he said should be ignored and nobody should think its idiotic?

I'm afraid it doesn't matter what party somebody is in, if they come out with such a foolish, ill thought out comment then they deserve the negative backlash.

If a FF, FG or labour TD said the same thing then no doubt some of the same people defending this man would be calling for the person to reassign etc

I don't think this is SF bashing, this is bashing somebody who made a very stupid comment in a very public way. If this guy was any other party I'd expect the party to call him out on it and for the person to very much apologise for such a idiotic comment.

Facts

Cabaal wrote: »

So what he said should be ignored and nobody should think its idiotic?

I'm afraid it doesn't matter what party somebody is in, if they come out with such a foolish, ill thought out comment then they deserve the negative backlash.

If a FF, FG or labour TD said the same thing then no doubt some of the same people defending this man would be calling for the person to reassign etc

I don't think this is SF bashing, this is bashing somebody who made a very stupid comment in a very public way. If this guy was any other party I'd expect the party to call him out on it and for the person to very much apologise for such a idiotic comment.

That's exactly what I was saying, it's is aimed at John Hearne for his disgraceful comments and I would say the same of any politician FF, FG, LAB, GREEN, SOCIALIST OR INDEPENDENT. I see the Sinn Fein press office have very much distanced themselves from Cllr.Hearne in relation to these comments! He should apologise for them as a matter of urgency!

obezyana

I agree as a person in the public realm he should not of said what he said in such a direct way but the thing is there is people out there who are just waiting to pounce on any negative thing remotely linked to Sinn Fein and it's so prevalent on Boards that it's getting very old now.

I don't agree in what he said but it feels like the OP was trying to be sensationalist just because it was John Hearne/Sinn Fein.

Sully

obezyana wrote: »

I agree as a person in the public realm he should not of said what he said in such a direct way but the thing is there is people out there who are just waiting to pounce on any negative thing remotely linked to Sinn Fein and it's so prevalent on Boards that it's getting very old now.

I don't agree in what he said but it feels like the OP was trying to be sensationalist just because it was John Hearne/Sinn Fein.

Hardly, people have been lambasting Sinn Fein for years on their policy and proposals. They quote people as supporting their views and that person then comes out and contradicts them. The problem is that Sinn Fein take the high ground on absolutely everything, get in on the bandwagon on absolutely everything and lately it's more obvious with a watered down political system we have. Fianna Fail gets the same now that it's in opposition, but it's not cared about. Nobody seems to care much that the Water Charges is the Fianna Fail brainchild pre-EU/IMF agreement but Sinn Fein are pulled up on their opposition to it despite supporting and implementing it in the North. It's just the political circle at the moment and is becoming more noticeable as sensitive Sinn Fein supporters jump on the 'Leave poor Sinn Fein alone' bandwagon while Fianna Fail keep a low profile and try sneak back.

I know a lot of people have become fed-up of the constant rhetoric and nonsense they spout. Even one of their own leading members effectively told them to pull their socks up as they aren't ready for government. It's becoming increasingly obvious they are a party that talks the talk but won't walk the walk in the South as they scream and shout but don't want to get in a position where they need to make tough decisions (look at the way they ran the locals, didn't try capitalise at all on the anti-government vote and then they sided with Fine Gael at council level!).

7upfree

Crazy stuff. The mask did indeed slip.

obezyana

Sully wrote: »

Hardly, people have been lambasting Sinn Fein for years on their policy and proposals. They quote people as supporting their views and that person then comes out and contradicts them. The problem is that Sinn Fein take the high ground on absolutely everything, get in on the bandwagon on absolutely everything and lately it's more obvious with a watered down political system we have. Fianna Fail gets the same now that it's in opposition, but it's not cared about. Nobody seems to care much that the Water Charges is the Fianna Fail brainchild pre-EU/IMF agreement but Sinn Fein are pulled up on their opposition to it despite supporting and implementing it in the North. It's just the political circle at the moment and is becoming more noticeable as sensitive Sinn Fein supporters jump on the 'Leave poor Sinn Fein alone' bandwagon while Fianna Fail keep a low profile and try sneak back.

I know a lot of people have become fed-up of the constant rhetoric and nonsense they spout. Even one of their own leading members effectively told them to pull their socks up as they aren't ready for government. It's becoming increasingly obvious they are a party that talks the talk but won't walk the walk in the South as they scream and shout but don't want to get in a position where they need to make tough decisions (look at the way they ran the locals, didn't try capitalise at all on the anti-government vote and then they sided with Fine Gael at council level!).

Im not debating about what Sinn Fein have or havent done i dont really care what their policy is they just like other parties are full of nonsense and lies for the most part. Sinn Fein get a bashing because they are an easy target and FG the party you shout for love having a go at them and at FF why? because they are easy targets the latter is a more prevalent lately because they were in government when the country failed....again easy target.

This thread was started so people could jump on the anti Sinn Fein brigade why wasnt it contained to the politics thread? it wasnt because the OP wanted to get attention brought to his shock and dismay at what John Hearne had said.

There have been numerous governments since the formation of this state that have sat back and said nothing whilst the catholic church destroyed peoples live while the nuns were busy taking women's babies away for adoption while they were murdering them they and burying them in mass graves, i must point out that non of these previous governments have had Sinn Fein involved. So you tell me Sully is your party a clean glorious all saving one......no it isnt it but you wont stick up a thread about any of that will you, you wouldnt leave it open if some else started it as it would be quickly closed or moved to some other part of Boards that you have no control. So Sully people like you and your fellow party members need to look at your own lies and misgivings before ye all jump on the anti Sinn Fein brigade....just because its an easy thing to do.

All these attacks on Sinn Fein are because the main political parties are getting worried as Sinn Fein are slowly becoming a force and the idea of the Shinners getting anywhere near government scares the sh!te out of them.

Now should this not be closed and merged in the politics thread for everyone over there to fight it out or is it left here for maximum exposure so the Shinner bashing can gain momentum.

Sully

obezyana wrote: »

Im not debating about what Sinn Fein have or havent done i dont really care what their policy is they just like other parties are full of nonsense and lies for the most part. Sinn Fein get a bashing because they are an easy target and FG the party you shout for love having a go at them and at FF why? because they are easy targets the latter is a more prevalent lately because they were in government when the country failed....again easy target.

This thread was started so people could jump on the anti Sinn Fein brigade why wasnt it contained to the politics thread? it wasnt because the OP wanted to get attention brought to his shock and dismay at what John Hearne had said.

There have been numerous governments since the formation of this state that have sat back and said nothing whilst the catholic church destroyed peoples live while the nuns were busy taking women's babies away for adoption while they were murdering them they and burying them in mass graves, i must point out that non of these previous governments have had Sinn Fein involved. So you tell me Sully is your party a clean glorious all saving one......no it isnt it but you wont stick up a thread about any of that will you, you wouldnt leave it open if some else started it as it would be quickly closed or moved to some other part of Boards that you have no control. So Sully people like you and your fellow party members need to look at your own lies and misgivings before ye all jump on the anti Sinn Fein brigade....just because its an easy thing to do.

All these attacks on Sinn Fein are because the main political parties are getting worried as Sinn Fein are slowly becoming a force and the idea of the Shinners getting anywhere near government scares the sh!te out of them.

Now should this not be closed and merged in the politics thread for everyone over there to fight it out or is it left here for maximum exposure so the Shinner bashing can gain momentum.

If you think FG are attacking them, you're mistaken. Sinn Fein are well known around political circles to having their membership take to the forums etc. to defend and promote. It's widely accepted that FG would be pretty poor at that. Mainly down to the membership age groups, I think. I think Sinn Fein are much better at communication than the other parties too. But Sinn Fein in government, as their own leading members say, there simply nowhere near ready or capable.

Anyway, this isn't the place to get into a political discussion or get into the pros/cons and your defence of Sinn Fein. The topic was created to point out a largely ignored by the media (and the internet, which says a lot!) alarming statement by a Sinn Finn councillor in Waterford. You can be damn sure if FG/FF/Lab made a similar statement it would be a massive political talking point and splashed all over the internet and media circles.

obezyana

Sully wrote: »

If you think FG are attacking them, you're mistaken. Sinn Fein are well known around political circles to having their membership take to the forums etc. to defend and promote. It's widely accepted that FG would be pretty poor at that. Mainly down to the membership age groups, I think. I think Sinn Fein are much better at communication than the other parties too. But Sinn Fein in government, as their own leading members say, there simply nowhere near ready or capable.

Anyway, this isn't the place to get into a political discussion or get into the pros/cons and your defence of Sinn Fein. The topic was created to point out a largely ignored by the media (and the internet, which says a lot!) alarming statement by a Sinn Finn councillor in Waterford. You can be damn sure if FG/FF/Lab made a similar statement it would be a massive political talking point and splashed all over the internet and media circles.

Sinn Fein isnt in government your party is and they keep messing things up, ie the medical card sham, the property tax, the water charges and many more.


Yes your right this isnt the place for it and as i previously said it should be in the politics forum but its not because it suits you and others to have out in the open for maximum exposure. I am not setting out to spend my time defending Sinn Fein or John Hearne im just sick to death seeing people on this website jump on every supposed bad thing that involves Sinn Fein, this thread was started for that very same reason and tbf its getting very boring and old.


It wouldnt be all over the place because people/mods like you would have it locked in an instant.


Now i know from seeing other threads that you and 7upfree love going back and forth with things and he/she is very good at countering anything you might spout on about so im going to leave this conversation and let him/her carry on the good work they do.

Facts

obezyana wrote: »

Sinn Fein isnt in government your party is and they keep messing things up, ie the medical card sham, the property tax, the water charges and many more.


Yes your right this isnt the place for it and as i previously said it should be in the politics forum but its not because it suits you and others to have out in the open for maximum exposure. I am not setting out to spend my time defending Sinn Fein or John Hearne im just sick to death seeing people on this website jump on every supposed bad thing that involves Sinn Fein, this thread was started for that very same reason and tbf its getting very boring and old.


It wouldnt be all over the place because people/mods like you would have it locked in an instant.


Now i know from seeing other threads that you and 7upfree love going back and forth with things and he/she is very good at countering anything you might spout on about so im going to leave this conversation and let him/her carry on the good work they do.

Your unbelievable, I've said no matter what politician of whatever party had of said this I would have started the exact same thread with that persons name, you are failing to acknowledge that! This was a disgraceful comment and his own Sinn Fein party condemned it and distanced themselves from it - See Independent article yesterday! There is no place for such comments in politics, full stop!!

delahuntv

Maybe if SF/IRA types stop spouting murderous/violent treaths, people will have no reason to start threads like this!

Max Powers

willing to put the UN/Israel comments down to comments made in the heat of the moment and it is a emotive subject, we have all seen the terrible and disgraceful pictures/news reports of kids in hospitals and worse. However, the canary wharf comments made by the Cllr and its implied justification to bring people to the table is disturbing, you cant help but think, has SF changed at all. At least party HQ distanced themselves from what he was saying but what are they saying behind closed doors, worrying.

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

If you think FG are attacking them, you're mistaken. Sinn Fein are well known around political circles to having their membership take to the forums etc. to defend and promote.

:eek::eek::D:D:D

olpaddymac

John has being doing a lot of good work lately with tackling Criminality in Waterford but he has let himself down with these comments. I myself am sympathetic to the Palestine plight but to suggest bombings and more violence as a solution to it is foolish and ill advised.

tomwaterford

olpaddymac wrote: »

John has being doing a lot of good work lately with tackling Criminality in Waterford but he has let himself down with these comments. I myself am sympathetic to the Palestine plight but to suggest bombings and more violence as a solution to it is foolish and ill advised.

to suggest stand back and do nothing while isreal gets away scot free with killing near on 2000 civilans (have palesinesas killed that many in the last ten years??)
they are every bit as bad if not worse than them people in Ukraine who shot down that plane...getting away with it because they have either Russia or America backing them

7upfree

tomwaterford wrote: »

to suggest stand back and do nothing while isreal gets away scot free with killing near on 2000 civilans (have palesinesas killed that many in the last ten years??)
they are every bit as bad if not worse than them people in Ukraine who shot down that plane...getting away with it because they have either Russia or America backing them

An oversimplistic outlook on an extremely complex situation.

Azwaldo55

tomwaterford wrote: »

to suggest stand back and do nothing while isreal gets away scot free with killing near on 2000 civilans (have palesinesas killed that many in the last ten years??)
they are every bit as bad if not worse than them people in Ukraine who shot down that plane...getting away with it because they have either Russia or America backing them

If Ireland was next door neighbors to Gaza and Hamas was firing at us with rockets at our men women and children we would do precisely the same as the Israelis.

Nypd

olpaddymac wrote: »

John has being doing a lot of good work lately with tackling Criminality in Waterford but he has let himself down with these comments. I myself am sympathetic to the Palestine plight but to suggest bombings and more violence as a solution to it is foolish and ill advised.

This won't be he last blunder out of this guy, seems like an accident waiting to happen.

O Riain

Azwaldo55 wrote: »

If Ireland was next door neighbors to Gaza and Hamas was firing at us with rockets at our men women and children we would do precisely the same as the Israelis.

Those maps are completely different and what do they prove exactly?

Listen, while it is terrible that the average Israeli has to put up with rocket fire from Hamas, you have to remember here that these rockets are largely ineffective and the only reason there are rockets coming out of Palestine is because the Israelies limit the food going into Palestine, have a blockade on the place, steal their land and kill their women/children.

Everyone uses the stance "If we were having rockets fired at us we would act the same as the Israelis" my answer to do this is - I would hope that we never give people half the reasons to launch rockets at us as the Israelis have given to the Palestinians.

They genuinely do hate Palestinians over there by the way. I have a number of Israeli friends whos facebook pages I have went onto. Luckily facebook is able to translate Hebrew and there is one phrase that appears just a bit too much - 'Death to Arabs'. Scary stuff.

Facts

O Riain wrote: »

Those maps are completely different and what do they prove exactly?

Listen, while it is terrible that the average Israeli has to put up with rocket fire from Hamas, you have to remember here that these rockets are largely ineffective and the only reason there are rockets coming out of Palestine is because the Israelies limit the food going into Palestine, have a blockade on the place, steal their land and kill their women/children.

Everyone uses the stance "If we were having rockets fired at us we would act the same as the Israelis" my answer to do this is - I would hope that we never give people half the reasons to launch rockets at us as the Israelis have given to the Palestinians.

They genuinely do hate Palestinians over there by the way. I have a number of Israeli friends whos facebook pages I have went onto. Luckily facebook is able to translate Hebrew and there is one phrase that appears just a bit too much - 'Death to Arabs'. Scary stuff.

What about the comments O Riain by Clr Hearne? I am genuinely surprised there had been so little comment on what was said! I don't know what the reason for this is!

O Riain

Facts wrote: »

What about the comments O Riain by Clr Hearne? I am genuinely surprised there had been so little comment on what was said! I don't know what the reason for this is!

Totally foolish comments but I think it goes to show peoples frustrations at the situation. A world not willing to help a people that genuinely need help just because they are poor, brown and muslim.

I've seen what Hamas's suicide bombs have done in Israel and it is not nice at all but Israel need to start making concessions. I can guarantee you for every 1 Hamas fighter they have killed there are probably now 50 new recruits to take his place over Israels actions. This will not be solved with bombs, that goes for John Hearnes statement too.

Azwaldo55

O Riain wrote: »

Those maps are completely different and what do they prove exactly?

No they aren't. Not only are you willfully blind to the tactics of Hamas you are ACTUALLY blind.:D

The maps show the reach of Hamas rockets and they show how Hamas positions its terrorist infrastructure among the civilians.

Listen, while it is terrible that the average Israeli has to put up with rocket fire from Hamas, you have to remember here that these rockets are largely ineffective and the only reason there are rockets coming out of Palestine is because the Israelies limit the food going into Palestine, have a blockade on the place, steal their land and kill their women/children.

The reason the rockets are coming out of Gaza is because Hamas are committed to destroying Israel and killing all the Jews.

The rockets are NOT ineffective. They can strike almost the entirety of Israel and hundreds of thousands of Israel are forced to shelter in reinforced concrete bunkers.

Please educate yourself!

Everyone uses the stance "If we were having rockets fired at us we would act the same as the Israelis" my answer to do this is - I would hope that we never give people half the reasons to launch rockets at us as the Israelis have given to the Palestinians.

The reason the Palestinians are firing the rockets is because most Israelis are Jews.

There is no justification whatsoever for Hamas firing rockets at Israeli men women and children.

Have you got that?

They genuinely do hate Palestinians over there by the way. I have a number of Israeli friends whos facebook pages I have went onto. Luckily facebook is able to translate Hebrew and there is one phrase that appears just a bit too much - 'Death to Arabs'. Scary stuff.

Try living under Hamas rocket fire a single day!

What did Britain do when they were bombed by the Luftwaffe? They flattened the cities of German into rubble and killed 500,000 Germans.

Israel use leaflets dropped by the thousand, text messages to the Palestinians people to leave the war zone and Hamas deliberately places its rockets in mosques, schools, hospitals and residential areas.

The Israeli people have my 100% support.

The Palestinians voted terrorists into power so cry me a river.
They sowed the wind and have reaped the whirlwind.
I have no sympathy or pity for them.

They only had 70 years to recognise the state of Israel didn't they?

7upfree

O Riain wrote: »

Totally foolish comments but I think it goes to show peoples frustrations at the situation. A world not willing to help a people that genuinely need help just because they are poor, brown and muslim.

I've seen what Hamas's suicide bombs have done in Israel and it is not nice at all but Israel need to start making concessions. I can guarantee you for every 1 Hamas fighter they have killed there are probably now 50 new recruits to take his place over Israels actions. This will not be solved with bombs, that goes for John Hearnes statement too.

So suicide bombers killing Israelis is "not nice". But when the Israelis do it, then it's murder? Strange logic.

Cabaal

I think at this stage this discussion can be taken to a more appropriate forum then the Waterford forum as its turned into a far more general discussion then it started off as.

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