Ebola: Prep and dig in or bug out to the hills?

chopper6

wexie wrote: »

See, while I kind of agree with you, with regards to the threat etc. you're contradicting yourself insofar that even someone you're peacefully cohabiting with, or your friends.....will be competition for resources.

That sounds a lot like 'me me me me first and **** everybody else'.

Of course nobody would sit around and wait for people to come take their stuff/lives/supplies/etc. but to be honest you sound a lot like the guy a lot of us would be ready to defend our families from. Even if we were just happily (and peacefully) minding our own business as you've decided we're competition for resources or we have something you want.

Apologies if I'm misreading your posts but that's what you're conveying to me.

Maybe you are misreading me.

In the first instance i think people should unite wherever possible in order to pool skills and rescources...for example a carpenter and a butcher would be hugely more usefull than somebody who does IT for a living but the computer guy might be a good musician and thats good for morale.

I'm using examples here so bear with me.

A group of ten people will have more of a chance if motivated properly and utilising each individual skillset than a couple of people who arent talking to each other properly etc etc.

In this ideal scenario there would of course be a need for internal security to keep an eye out for dangers and maybe to repell unwelcome guests.

If teh unwelcome guests were to make a habit of attempting to steal rescources or at least signified an intent to cause serious harm then they should be dealt with as a matter of urgency...diplomacy will not work in desperate times.

As i said...competition for the same rescources can cause problems..it does not need to end in bloodshed but if an amicable agreement for sharing cannot be reached than somebody will need to move or be killed...if it was the choice between my own life or somebody else's i would not hesitate to kill to preserve my own(or that of my friends/family/tribe whatever).

chopper6

_Brian wrote: »

what if my defence is better than your unnecessary attack?

Then you win.

Simples.

If i survive i will rethink my strategy.

ShadowFox

Keep on topic folks and no more armchair rambo stuff please

mrbig

wexie wrote: »

Thankfully I'm already out in the hills with my own water supply, stocked up fuel store, pantry, freezer and utility room.

But lads....at this risk of being considered overly cynical and callous......do youse think this might all be a giant publicity stunt for the start of the next season of the Walking Dead?

(i'm hiding in the hills)

I'm with you on this, Ebola pandemic could crash the world economy. I have been looking at what I would need to do in advance of this scenario to make it more bearable, in the event of Ebola becoming like the black death I think we will have to get right with God.

I live in a rural area with my own well, I have a diesel generator (hand pump for water as backup)and garden for growing food as well as the stock of dried and tinned food which is a few months worth not a few years.
Living in the country you become much more self sufficient anyway, if water stops flowing nobody from the council will be coming to fix it.

I don't think there will be roving gangs as they will as they do stick to their own area, I wouldn't expect the army to maintain order but maybe some semblance of government will be maintained. ultimately though even in times of complete catastrophe people do better when the band together rather than isolated themselves.

mrbig

Nino Brown wrote: »

Don't forget bleach, hand santizers and soap!

Ebola is also sensitive to high temperatures, does anybody know what temp that is? Like if you were to whack on every heater you had in the house for a few hours would it kill the virus?

High temp as in 60 deg C for most virus like Legonella, but that would be good for water not room temp.

I would imagine like most Virus cold would be better than heat! the virus can survive outside the body for a limited time from a few hours to a day, if you heat your house up I would guess you may be extending the life.
The best biocide that I know of is Sodium Hydroxide or drain cleaner, This is far better on biofilm than bleach (Sodium hypochlorite) , the reason is it breaks down fats and protein and kills the virus below the surface.
You need to wash surfaces before bleach is effective.
Drain cleaner is also cheap and available as a solid powder so its easy to store in large quantity, Bleach usually sold in liquid form is heavy bulky and degrades over time becoming less effective over time.
I attended a course on this in relation to BioPharm vessel cleaning and apart from the corrosive nature of Caustic / drain cleaner it was the best on Biofilm,
BTW Biofilm is what we are dealing with not the Virus itself , the Virus will be in a biofilm and you need to penetrate to kill, the time varies on some virus and concentrations indicated by Log value, but virus like Aids in Biofilm were dead after 5 minutes. Its worth

shedweller

I was getting the boys breakfast and school lunches ready this morning when we heard a bit on the news about ebola. My lads went into full prepper mode by the time we were going out the door. Looking around them for things that could be used as weapons and all!
I think they'll be alright should the shtf.

chopper6

mrbig wrote: »

I don't think there will be roving gangs as they will as they do stick to their own area,

Wrong.

Even now burglars and bank robbers will travel hundreds of miles to pull a job...they will stick to thier own areas until there's nothing left to plunder then they will go in search further afield

Living in a remote area is likely to make you more of a target rather than less of one.

BreadnBuddha

chopper6 wrote: »

Wrong.

Even now burglars and bank robbers will travel hundreds of miles to pull a job...they will stick to thier own areas until there's nothing left to plunder then they will go in search further afield

Living in a remote area is likely to make you more of a target rather than less of one.

Wrong.

The likelihood of getting a face full of shot at a rural location will be much greater for any stranger stupid enough to approach a home in the event of a civil collapse. Being a thug, or trying to act like one, there's one likely outcome and it won't be the one you are counting on.

Burglars are chickens**ts or junkies anyway. Homes they target are usually empty or largely occupied by people who don't think about the risk. If everything goes to hell, people will be incredibly alert, highly defensive and neighbourhood watch will be more like local militias. Chickensh**s and junkies will be too busy cowering in the dumps they call home or trying to score to go burglarising likely occupied homes.

You're also quite ignorant of the fact that those who live in the countryside are well capable of handling themselves, as any traveller ever caught trying to get into a shed or machine or trying to hitch a trailer could tell you.

chopper6

BreadnBuddha wrote: »

Wrong.

The likelihood of getting a face full of shot at a rural location will be much greater for any stranger stupid enough to approach a home in the event of a civil collapse. Being a thug, or trying to act like one, there's one likely outcome and it won't be the one you are counting on.

Burglars are chickens**ts or junkies anyway. Homes they target are usually empty or largely occupied by people who don't think about the risk. If everything goes to hell, people will be incredibly alert, highly defensive and neighbourhood watch will be more like local militias. Chickensh**s and junkies will be too busy cowering in the dumps they call home or trying to score to go burglarising likely occupied homes.

You're also quite ignorant of the fact that those who live in the countryside are well capable of handling themselves, as any traveller ever caught trying to get into a shed or machine or trying to hitch a trailer could tell you.

Fine and dandy.

The country bumpkins may well have an organised defence but it's not to say that they wont be targeted.

wexie

BreadnBuddha wrote: »

Wrong.

The likelihood of getting a face full of shot at a rural location will be much greater for any stranger stupid enough to approach a home in the event of a civil collapse. Being a thug, or trying to act like one, there's one likely outcome and it won't be the one you are counting on.

Burglars are chickens**ts or junkies anyway. Homes they target are usually empty or largely occupied by people who don't think about the risk. If everything goes to hell, people will be incredibly alert, highly defensive and neighbourhood watch will be more like local militias. Chickensh**s and junkies will be too busy cowering in the dumps they call home or trying to score to go burglarising likely occupied homes.

You're also quite ignorant of the fact that those who live in the countryside are well capable of handling themselves, as any traveller ever caught trying to get into a shed or machine or trying to hitch a trailer could tell you.

I know certainly where I live there isn't a house (literally) on the road you could approach without one or several dogs letting the owners know you're there. Several of those dogs (including mine ) will happily see what you taste like if the owners haven't told them you're good people. There'll be no sneaking around. And while I don't own a gun myself I'd be surprised if there aren't more shotguns and hunting rifles than people within a half mile radius.

BreadnBuddha

chopper6 wrote: »

Fine and dandy.

The country bumpkins may well have an organised defence but it's not to say that they wont be targeted.

The country bumpkins, eh? When the time comes, how about you make yourself a packed lunch and take a bus out of the city to see what you can see?

Bring that attitude and you'll save yourself the price of a bus fare home

Here, leave the presumptions to one side. You need to plan to work with people, not to take things from them.

chopper6

BreadnBuddha wrote: »

The country bumpkins, eh? When the time comes, how about you make yourself a packed lunch and take a bus out of the city to see what you can see?

Bring that attitude and you'll save yourself the price of a bus fare home

Here, leave the presumptions to one side. You need to plan to work with people, not to take things from them.

I'm no city slicker my friend..just so you know

Creative Juices

Ah yes this is the thread I wanted to see, have you guys seen the After Hours thread?
It's a real rollercoaster of informed discussion with dollops of fear, panic, anxiety, spoof and Wummery.

So what will I need to fight the Walking Ebola Dead?

aaakev

Creative Juices wrote: »

Ah yes this is the thread I wanted to see, have you guys seen the After Hours thread?
It's a real rollercoaster of informed discussion with dollops of fear, panic, anxiety, spoof and Wummery.

So what will I need to fight the Walking Ebola Dead?

http://touch.boards.ie/forum/1079

Pat Mustard

http://rt.com/news/192628-ebola-scare-london-conference/

The International Rescue Committee (IRC), on behalf of 34 NGOs battling Ebola in West Africa, has warned that the number of cases is doubling roughly every three weeks and the globe has only four weeks to stop the crisis from spiraling out of control.

The International Rescue Committee (IRC), on behalf of 34 NGOs battling Ebola in West Africa, has warned that the number of cases is doubling roughly every three weeks and the globe has only four weeks to stop the crisis from spiraling out of control.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/04/ebola-zaire-peter-piot-outbreak (worth reading the full article - interesting stuff)

The scientist who discovered Ebola in 1976 states that the virus is mutating, and speculates that if it develops a mutation that allows infected people to live longer, then the virus is likely to affect many more people:

a mutation that would allow Ebola patients to live a couple of weeks longer is certainly possible and would be advantageous for the virus. But that would allow Ebola patients to infect many, many more people than is currently the case.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/01/us-health-ebola-vaccines-idUSKCN0HQ4JM20141001
Development of a vaccine has been accelerated, with hopes of availability in significant quantities in the first quarter of 2015.

(Reuters) - Both GlaxoSmithKline and NewLink Genetics are working to boost their capacity to make Ebola vaccines, with a goal of a "very significant increase in scale during the first half of 2015", the World Health Organization said on Wednesday.

Even under the best conditions, if the experimental vaccines are proven to be safe and confer protection in clinical trials, a significant number of doses will not be available until late in the first quarter of 2015, the WHO said.

Esel

Tactical nukes, ZMapp, or chewing tobacco (and not puking afterwards).

Someone will decide.

Pat Mustard

Esel wrote: »

Tactical nukes, ZMapp, or chewing tobacco (and not puking afterwards).

Someone will decide.

Someone responsible.

aaakev

Just read that an African woman who recently returned to Ireland has been rushed to the matter hospital displaying symptoms similar to ebola

wexie

aaakev wrote: »

Just read that an African woman who recently returned to Ireland has been rushed to the matter hospital displaying symptoms similar to ebola

Believe it or not, this time of year large parts of our population are displaying 'symptoms similar to ebola' , it used to be known as 'the sniffles' and 'a temperature'

hexosan

aaakev wrote: »

Just read that an African woman who recently returned to Ireland has been rushed to the matter hospital displaying symptoms similar to ebola

It's already been ruled out as Ebola.

The WHO are also claiming that the outbreak in Nigeria has been contained with no new cases in 42 days.

Tabnabs

Same for Senegal, however, to quote directly:

"On the whole, the outbreaks in Senegal and Nigeria are pretty much contained," a WHO statement said.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/09/ebola-contained-senegal-nigeria-201492302548319863.html

Sounds a little vague...

aaakev

wexie wrote: »

Believe it or not, this time of year large parts of our population are displaying 'symptoms similar to ebola' , it used to be known as 'the sniffles' and 'a temperature'

Yeah I know bit I suppose the fact that she has just come from the region its better safe than sorry

aaakev

Alegidly 7 kids in kansad test positive for ebola so far after a substitute teacher came back from Africa with it. This is the only link I can find so far....

http://www.nymeta.co/kansas-third-graders-exposed-ebola-7-test-positive-substitute-teacher-blame/

BreadnBuddha

That's not a credible media outlet Kev. Not a single mainstream outlet has anything even close to the details in that BS article. Sorry buddy!

Edit: Ahhhh, you beat me to it!

aaakev

Yeah been searching for another link to the story, just put that one up to see anyone had anything else!

wexie

aaakev wrote: »

Alegidly 7 kids in kansad test positive for ebola so far after a substitute teacher came back from Africa with it. This is the only link I can find so far....

http://www.nymeta.co/kansas-third-graders-exposed-ebola-7-test-positive-substitute-teacher-blame/

hmm....something dodgy here :

He was called to fill in as substitute for the third grade class his second day back. By mid morning he started feeling extremely ill. He was ordered to go home that afternoon. Jeremy then tested positive for Ebola, right before the students started to show symptoms.

incubation period for Ebola is 7 to 21 days....?
Also, quite which of his bodily fluids did he manage to get onto most of his class? (without already showing symptoms? Supposedly you're not infectious until you become symptomatic)

I'm holding out judgement on this one until I see more information

wexie

And, to be honest, if there were 8 new cases of Ebola in the US (7 of which kids) it'd have been all over the news.

wexie

And there we have it :

http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/ebolaschool.asp

(turns out NYMETA are a 'satirical' website, they're not the WWN that's for sure)