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Tweaky

Praetorian wrote: »

One or two more installations will definitely bring the speed down. I think I was the first install on my cab way back when and the attainable pre vectoring was insanely high...I think maybe 140m/bit IIRC. Keep checking your stats over the coming weeks.

You were bang on - There were a few more installs over the past week and the SNR has dropped from 23 to 19 and the attainable has dropped from 90mb to 80mb. Makes a lot more sense why they set the lines at 50mb starting out. Leave it settle for a few more weeks and see where it bottoms out. 50mb is plenty for what I do but we all want more than what we have !!!

tampler

Hey Folks,

The work on the exchange that we are connected to (Athenry, Co. Galway) is set to finish on the 1st July. The Ireland Offline map says that its currently an ADSL1 exchange (Although I have no idea how up to date that info is).

Issue is, we are about 4.2km from the exchange, with a "wonderful" Line Attenuation of 63 Down and 31 Up, with our speed being 1.8Mbps.

Am I right in saying that no matter what upgrades & work is done on the exchange, that we are simply too far away to notice any difference? We have been stuck on 1.8Mbps for nearly 10 years, and any increase in speed, no matter how small, would be a big improvement.

Cheers.

ItHurtsWhenIP

tampler wrote: »

Hey Folks,

The work on the exchange that we are connected to (Athenry, Co. Galway) is set to finish and be up and running on the 1st July. The Ireland Offline map says that its currently an ADSL1 exchange (Although I have no idea how up to date that info is).

Issue is, we are about 4.2km from the exchange, with a "wonderful" Line Attenuation of 63 Down and 31 Up, with our speed being 1.8Mbps.

Am I right in saying that no matter what upgrades & work is done on the exchange, that we are simply too far away to notice any difference? We have been stuck on 1.8Mbps for nearly 10 years, and any increase in speed, no matter how small, would be a big improvement.

Cheers.

I'm afraid you will remain stuck on that speed for the foreseeable future as you are waaaaaaay beyond eFibre's range. You will have to wait for if/when the NBP rolls around to you.

Have you any Wireless ISPs operating in your area that could give you better speeds? If you're not sure, then go to this map, drop the marker on your house and tick the Wireless ISPs option. If coverage is shown from one or more companies then give 'em a shout and they would do a signal test to make sure that they can hit your house, which shouldn't cost you anything. They should also be able to indicate what kind of speeds you can get.

tampler

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

I'm afraid you will remain stuck on that speed for the foreseeable future as you are waaaaaaay beyond eFibre's range. You will have to wait for if/when the NBP rolls around to you.

Balls The sad thing is the exchange next to us (Kiltulla) is selected for the FTTH 2016-2020 rollout programme, but we are too far from that as well (About 3.8Km). Guess we are just in a bad spot...

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

Have you any Wireless ISPs operating in your area that could give you better speeds?

Sadly, not an option. Do quite a fair bit of Online gaming & Video Streaming here, and a lot of downloading. As well as that, we simply have too many tree's around the house to get a clear signal (We had to attach our Sky dish to a tree just to get a signal!).

Ah well, at this stage, anything is better than Dial-Up Cheers for the advice!

ItHurtsWhenIP

tampler wrote: »

Balls The sad thing is the exchange next to us (Kiltulla) is selected for the FTTH 2016-2020 rollout programme, but we are too far from that as well (About 3.8Km). Guess we are just in a bad spot...

Well if the NBP goes ahead all areas not serviced by FTTC/UPC should get a guaranteed 30Mbps down/6Mbps up sometime between 2017-2022. This sounds like it would include you.

This is likely to be delivered as FTTH as Wireless, while it could potentially deliver those speeds now, would not be able to deliver the growth/expansion the scheme would likely have built into it.

ED E

tampler wrote: »

(We had to attach our Sky dish to a tree just to get a signal!).

You can do the same for FWA. Just mount the antenna in a similar location and away you go.

Issue is, we are about 4.2km from the exchange, with a "wonderful" Line Attenuation of 63 Down and 31 Up, with our speed being 1.8Mbps.

Theres a reach cab out to the north of Athenry, ANR1_019, 3+km from the exchange so that could bring you down to within 2km if you're to the north in the direction of Monivea.

MediaHaul

What speeds should one expect at a distance of 1600m?

Just checked the distance calculator on Ireland offline and because I am in a cul-de-sac this is the crap I get.

ItHurtsWhenIP

MediaHaul wrote: »

What speeds should one expect at a distance of 1600m?

Just checked the distance calculator on Ireland offline and because I am in a cul-de-sac this is the crap I get.

If you searched this thread you would have come up with this post.

guil

sweet baby jebus

{"ccb":"E01","date":"29/07/2015","eee":"CUR","xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false
,"xrc":false,"inga":true,"ingb":true,"maxHSI":"18M_5M_R","maxNGB":"17M_768K_RH",
"maxNRA":"12M_1M_FR","maxHSIServiceCode":"FCBPS","maxNGBServiceCode":"BMBS24M","
maxNRAServiceCode":"FCBPS","phone":"8883-xxxxxxx","ere":"29/07/2015","validation
Type":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina"

dbit

guil wrote: »

sweet baby jebus

{"ccb":"E01","date":"29/07/2015","eee":"CUR","xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false
,"xrc":false,"inga":true,"ingb":true,"maxHSI":"18M_5M_R","maxNGB":"17M_768K_RH",
"maxNRA":"12M_1M_FR","maxHSIServiceCode":"FCBPS","maxNGBServiceCode":"BMBS24M","
maxNRAServiceCode":"FCBPS","phone":"8883-xxxxxxx","ere":"29/07/2015","validation
Type":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina"

Ouch Fooked if ya do Fooked if ya dont lolz.

bk

dbit wrote: »

Ouch Fooked if ya do Fooked if ya dont lolz.

An almost x20 jump in upload speed to 5Mb/s would be very welcome.

When I went from ADSL2+ 16m/700k to UPC 120m/10m (now 240Mb/s / 24Mb/s) I saw almost no real world improvements in download speed *, but a massive, very welcome improvement in upload speeds, which has a real impact on my productivity.

Also remember that the ADSL completely maxes out at 17M, but the vDSL could increase as the line settles in. Also VDSL just seems to be more stable then ADSL to me.

I'd absolutely upgrade to VDSL with those numbers.

* I don't mean I wasn't getting the download speeds, I have a samknows box that constantly tests the line, so I know what great speeds I'm getting. I just mean I'm not really using all the extra speed. The reality is youtube, Netflix, etc. HD works exactly the same on a 16M connection as a 240M connection. There are only a few places where you would routinely benefit from 100M+ services.

dbit

bk wrote: »

An almost x20 jump in upload speed to 5Mb/s would be very welcome.

When I went from ADSL2+ 16m/700k to UPC 120m/10m (now 240Mb/s / 24Mb/s) I saw almost no real world improvements in download speed *, but a massive, very welcome improvement in upload speeds, which has a real impact on my productivity.

Also remember that the ADSL completely maxes out at 17M, but the vDSL could increase as the line settles in. Also VDSL just seems to be more stable then ADSL to me.

I'd absolutely upgrade to VDSL with those numbers.

* I don't mean I wasn't getting the download speeds, I have a samknows box that constantly tests the line, so I know what great speeds I'm getting. I just mean I'm not really using all the extra speed. The reality is youtube, Netflix, etc. HD works exactly the same on a 16M connection as a 240M connection. There are only a few places where you would routinely benefit from 100M+ services.

MOD EDIT REMOVED , and all that good stuff maxs 240 easy. And if you work in IT the download will be used not a bother . I hear ya , the upload and satability is a no brainer . Just was refering to the download hit if switching.

guil

Ill definitely be upgrading. Even if I only get an extra 1mb download, the difference in upload is huge. I'd be confident that the dl will improve and they are been conservative with the estimate. An eircom engineer confirmed a while ago that my line is about 1200m.

bk

dbit wrote: »

MOD EDIT REMOVED , and all that good stuff maxs 240 easy.

First of all everything you mentioned is dodgy and second of all, even if using those, they tend to be start a couple of downloads and go away and do something else, so the actual download speed is largely redundant.

Specially as more and more people these days are using various streaming services, both legal and dodgy, making "downloading" less important.

dbit wrote: »

And if you work in IT the download will be used not a bother .

I am, software engineer who works from home. Switching from 16M to UPC 240M really made very little difference. The upload however made a big difference, making it MUCH easier for me to upload builds, etc.

dbit

bk wrote: »

First of all everything you mentioned is dodgy and second of all, even if using those, they tend to be start a couple of downloads and go away and do something else, so the actual download speed is largely redundant.

Specially as more and more people these days are using various streaming services, both legal and dodgy, making "downloading" less important.



I am, software engineer who works from home. Switching from 16M to UPC 240M really made very little difference. The upload however made a big difference, making it MUCH easier for me to upload builds, etc.

Well for me and I often have to shift large DB's , iso's , VM's , labs , LArge pacth updates to various platforms .......

I use it when i have it :-).

Praetorian

Installed direct fiber just a few minutes ago at work.

First line in the exchange apparently.

syncing at 40 down and 10 up

max attainable 68 down and 38 up.

I'm fairly sure the attainables will fall when other direct fed lines are vdsl enabled but I'm still hopeful of at least a boost on the upstream rate.

dbit

bk wrote: »

First of all everything you mentioned is dodgy and second of all, even if using those, they tend to be start a couple of downloads and go away and do something else, so the actual download speed is largely redundant.

Specially as more and more people these days are using various streaming services, both legal and dodgy, making "downloading" less important.



I am, software engineer who works from home. Switching from 16M to UPC 240M really made very little difference. The upload however made a big difference, making it MUCH easier for me to upload builds, etc.

Private torrent and newsbins are not 100% dodgy either but im sure you are aware of that , or do i need to list the use cases for that too ? lolz.

dbit

Praetorian wrote: »

Installed direct fiber just a few minutes ago at work.

First line in the exchange apparently.

syncing at 40 down and 10 up

max attainable 68 down and 38 up.

I'm fairly sure the attainables will fall when other direct fed lines are vdsl enabled but I'm still hopeful of at least a boost on the upstream rate.

Yup ive been quoted the same on what i thought was 350-400 meters from exchange im actually 800 going by the atten in my new place so im expecting the same speeds line pre qual states same 40 /10

ED E

Praetorian wrote: »

syncing at 40 down and 10 up
max attainable 68 down and 38 up.

I'm fairly sure the attainables will fall when other direct fed lines are vdsl enabled but I'm still hopeful of at least a boost on the upstream rate.

The 50_20 profile should still be viable once everything beds down.

ED E

140 exchanges. Bula bos.

guil

Putting my line number into eircoms checker and it tells me I'm in an efibre area, called Vodafone but they say I can't order until the 29th.

bk

dbit wrote: »

MOD EDIT are not 100% dodgy either but im sure you are aware of that , or do i need to list the use cases for that too ? lolz.

That is why I said "dodgy" and not out right illegal. I'm sure you are well aware that 99% of the content on these services is dodgy.

Barry Kelliher

I would really apreciate if someone could answer these few questions i have.
I am a customer connected directly to the exchange, the exchange is going live on 8th july
1.) I am 500m away from the exchange, is there anybody in this thread that has efibre and are 500m away from exchange ir cab and what speed are ye getting

2.) Is vectoring enabled for customers fed directly from the exchange?

loyatemu

Barry Kelliher wrote: »

1.) I am 500m away from the exchange, is there anybody in this thread that has efibre and are 500m away from exchange ir cab and what speed are ye getting

are you 500m by road from the exchange? your line may take a more circuitous path.

2.) Is vectoring enabled for customers fed directly from the exchange?

not yet.

Tweaky

Barry Kelliher wrote: »

I would really apreciate if someone could answer these few questions i have.
I am a customer connected directly to the exchange, the exchange is going live on 8th july
1.) I am 500m away from the exchange, is there anybody in this thread that has efibre and are 500m away from exchange ir cab and what speed are ye getting

2.) Is vectoring enabled for customers fed directly from the exchange?

I am approx 500m from my exchange and connected directly like yourself and am connected at 50mb down and 15 up. I was 19mb down on ADSL with an attenuation of 9. The attenuation is now showing as 12.6 on eVDSL

Hope this helps.

Barry Kelliher

i am 500m away from the exchange following the road an 325 as the crow fly's

Barry Kelliher

im not sure whether you have efibre or not, but considering you are the same distance away as me what speeds are you getting on a speedtest?

guil

Barry Kelliher wrote: »

im not sure whether you have efibre or not, but considering you are the same distance away as me what speeds are you getting on a speedtest?

Read it again. He said what speeds he is getting

ItHurtsWhenIP

Barry Kelliher wrote: »

i am 500m away from the exchange following the road an 325 as the crow fly's

The only measurement that counts is the length of the cable run.

Barry Kelliher

hi could somebody tell me what speed i should expect when i get efibre next week, i am 475m from the exchange by road??

mailsanchu

Tweaky wrote: »

I am approx 500m from my exchange and connected directly like yourself and am connected at 50mb down and 15 up. I was 19mb down on ADSL with an attenuation of 9. The attenuation is now showing as 12.6 on eVDSL

Hope this helps.

Are you getting consistently 50 MB all the time ?

Barry Kelliher

sorry for asking you twice for a speedtest i was on my phone and for some reason the link wasnt there, thanks for the speedtest that cleared up a lot of things for me

Tweaky

mailsanchu wrote: »

Are you getting consistently 50 MB all the time ?

Seems to be pretty consistent. Just ran a speed test now and got 45mb on wifi. This time of the evening you would expect it to be busy so that speed at this hour is a good indicator of the normal speed I am getting.

tuxy

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

The only measurement that counts is the length of the cable run.

Yup, people should calculate the distance using their current adsl download attenuation.

Hibrasil

LEX1_E01 (Leixlip Kildare) - Fibre Broadband Cabinet expected to go live on 15-Jul-15 on Fibrerollout.ie (Where and When map).

Today on EircomWholesale.com (Tech Bytes) it is announced that among others Leixlip, Kildare – 947 new premises in Leixlip, Kildare (cab E01) exchange can access broadband up to 70Mb/s.

Fibrerollout.ie still showing LEX1_E01 as "blue" with 15-Jul-15 unchanged

guil

The map is very slow to update.

Barry Kelliher

Can somebody tell me if they know anything at all about exchange based fibre becoming vectored

joe_99

Barry Kelliher wrote: »

Can somebody tell me if they know anything at all about exchange based fibre becoming vectored

It'll be at least 6 months

Taboganist007

Yay! Looks like my broadband hell in the sticks of Ardara in Donegal is coming to an end soon. Over a month a ago our exchange was upgraded from ADSL1 to ADSL2+ giving an increased speed from 7Mb sync to my modem to 17Mb sync to my modem. I can now download at close to 15MB which is really nice but low and behold I put my number into line checker on Eircom's VDSL rollout map and it seems our exchange has become VDSL enabled also. So I muddled through this thread looking for information and found out how to check the prequals on my line. So I downloaded Desktop Parallesls on Mac and installed Linux so I could extract the information using Chrome and stick it into Terminal in Linux. Here are the results that were returned -

"{"aaa":"My Eircom Customer No:P.","ccb":"E01","date":"29/07/2015","eee":"ADA","xbc":true,"xec":true,"xfc":false,"xrc":true,"inga":true,"ingb":true,"maxHSI":"50M_15M_R","maxNGB":"17M_768K_RH","maxNRA":"28M_16M_FR","maxHSIServiceCode":"FCBPS","maxNGBServiceCode":"BMBS24M","maxNRAServiceCode":"FCBPS","phone":"My Phone Number :P","ere":"29/07/2015","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}"

It seems come the 29th of July, residents of our fine lil town will be able to avail of proper high speed broadband, something I thought I'd never see up this end of the woods. I am around 400 meters from our exchange with an ADSL1 attenuation of 9db and a ADSL2+ attenuation of 12db putting me somewhere between 650 and 800 meters over copper from the exchange and should hopefully get 50Mb VDSL and maybe even more when the exchange is vectored.

I know Eircom have been much maligned over the years by many but I have to say they've done an excellent job so far of rolling out high speed broadband nationwide: a gargantuan task given the widespread population makeup of our little country. Can't wait to join the 21st century of telecommunications!

Barry Kelliher

Can someone tell me how do i find my line attentuation?

Taboganist007

Barry Kelliher wrote: »

Can someone tell me how do i find my line attentuation?

Well that depends which internet service provider you are with. If you're with Eircom you go to 192.168.1.254 in your preferred internet browser, if you're with Vodafone you go to 192.168.1.1 (I think) and if you're with Sky you go to 192.168.0.1 - Assuming of course that you're using a stock router sent to you by your internet service provider. If you've bought your own it could be a different address. Hard for us to know.

It's usually either one of those 3 addresses and when you're in your router homepage you should find your line stats in there somewhere.

Barry Kelliher

i am 500m away from my exchange following the road, right now i am on adsl2 and i am recieving 17mb down, vdsl2 will be available on my exchange on the 8th july, when i put my house no. into the website thing it says i will be recieving speeds of up to 50mb down and 15 up, the problem is tho that when i check my router stats it say my line attentuation is 14.7 which would indicate around 1000m from the exchange, can someone explain if this could possibly be wrong or anything like that

ED E

Barry Kelliher wrote: »

i am 500m away from my exchange following the road, right now i am on adsl2 and i am recieving 17mb down, vdsl2 will be available on my exchange on the 8th july, when i put my house no. into the website thing it says i will be recieving speeds of up to 50mb down and 15 up, the problem is tho that when i check my router stats it say my line attentuation is 14.7 which would indicate around 1000m from the exchange, can someone explain if this could possibly be wrong or anything like that

You're reading the downstream not the up right?

At 500m your attenuation should be a little lower, but its less accurate at very low range. Also a poor joint on the line, the cable between your socket and modem(especially if more than 3-4ft) and if you're using an extension socket not your main can all negatively effect line attenuation figures.

Barry Kelliher

i am defintiely looking at the down rate but i just noticed on the router stats that there are other numbers, do i look at the dsl noise margin stats?

2.) I dont think it is right that i have a line attetuation of 14.7 as right now i am recieving 17mbps down on adsl2+, the dsl speed calculator website is telling em that when i get vdsl i should only get speeds around 28mbps which i consider very low as i am already getting 17?

Barry Kelliher

Can somebody tell me why vectoring isnt enabled for exchange customers yet

ED E

Its on for some.

If there are multiple racks its more complex, requires system level vectoring. Itll come later.

joe_99

ED E wrote: »

Its on for some.

If there are multiple racks its more complex, requires system level vectoring. Itll come later.

I undetstand Exchange vectoring is not switched on for anyone yet

Praetorian

Quite a lot of cabinet's haven't been vectored either.

The Cush

joe_99 wrote: »

I undetstand Exchange vectoring is not switched on for anyone yet

A neighbouring exchange, Newport (Tipperary), the fibre rollout map indicates that 400 premises in this exchange can now access up to 100Mb/s fibre broadband. It was my understanding that the max speed from an exchange was 70Mb/s, am I wrong or does that mean the Newport exchange is vectored?

jd

The Cush wrote: »

A neighbouring exchange, Newport (Tipperary), the fibre rollout map indicates that 400 premises in this exchange can now access up to 100Mb/s fibre broadband. It was my understanding that the max speed from an exchange was 70Mb/s, am I wrong or does that mean the Newport exchange is vectored?

Looking at http://fibrerollout.ie/where-and-when/
cabinets are live, which are vectored, I guess. Exchange rack isn't yet live.

Exchange customers will be limited to 70 when it is launched, for the present.