Eircom fibre for direct to exchange news?

The Cush

jd wrote: »

Exchange customers will be limited to 70 when it is launched, for the present.

So the information on the fibre rollout map for live exchanges is incorrect, e.g. Killaloe (KLO1_E01) 2040 premises in this exchange can now access up to 100Mb/s fibre broadband? Why do they do that?

jd

The Cush wrote: »

So the information on the fibre rollout map for live exchanges is incorrect, e.g. Killaloe (KLO1_E01) 2040 premises in this exchange can now access up to 100Mb/s fibre broadband? Why do they do that?

On that map it says

Killaloe (Clare)

2040 premises in this exchange can now access up to 100Mb/s fibre broadband.

which refers to both evdsl and customers served from cabinets in the exchange area.

For rack in exchange it says

KLO1_E01

Fibre Broadband Cabinet is Live

The Cush

jd wrote: »

which refers to both evdsl and customers served from cabinets in the exchange area.

Ok, thanks for the clarification on that.

mass_debater

The Cush wrote: »

So the information on the fibre rollout map for live exchanges is incorrect, e.g. Killaloe (KLO1_E01) 2040 premises in this exchange can now access up to 100Mb/s fibre broadband? Why do they do that?

Their eFibre product is up to 100mbit

The Cush

mass_debater wrote: »

Their eFibre product is up to 100mbit

Thanks, yes I'm aware of that, my question related to the max up to speed available from an exchange now and the info provided on the fibre map. Answered in jd's post above.

mass_debater

The Cush wrote: »

Thanks, yes I'm aware of that, my question related to the max up to speed available from an exchange now and the info provided on the fibre map. Answered in jd's post above.

Sorry, didn't mean to quote you, damn mobile

Hibrasil

Taboganist007 wrote: »

Yay! Looks like my broadband hell in the sticks of Ardara in Donegal is coming to an end soon. Over a month a ago our exchange was upgraded from ADSL1 to ADSL2+ giving an increased speed from 7Mb sync to my modem to 17Mb sync to my modem. I can now download at close to 15MB which is really nice but low and behold I put my number into line checker on Eircom's VDSL rollout map and it seems our exchange has become VDSL enabled also. So I muddled through this thread looking for information and found out how to check the prequals on my line. So I downloaded Desktop Parallesls on Mac and installed Linux so I could extract the information using Chrome and stick it into Terminal in Linux. Here are the results that were returned -

"{"aaa":"My Eircom Customer No:P.","ccb":"E01","date":"29/07/2015","eee":"ADA","xbc":true,"xec":true,"xfc":false,"xrc":true,"inga":true,"ingb":true,"maxHSI":"50M_15M_R","maxNGB":"17M_768K_RH","maxNRA":"28M_16M_FR","maxHSIServiceCode":"FCBPS","maxNGBServiceCode":"BMBS24M","maxNRAServiceCode":"FCBPS","phone":"My Phone Number :P","ere":"29/07/2015","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}"

It seems come the 29th of July, residents of our fine lil town will be able to avail of proper high speed broadband, something I thought I'd never see up this end of the woods. I am around 400 meters from our exchange with an ADSL1 attenuation of 9db and a ADSL2+ attenuation of 12db putting me somewhere between 650 and 800 meters over copper from the exchange and should hopefully get 50Mb VDSL and maybe even more when the exchange is vectored.

I know Eircom have been much maligned over the years by many but I have to say they've done an excellent job so far of rolling out high speed broadband nationwide: a gargantuan task given the widespread population makeup of our little country. Can't wait to join the 21st century of telecommunications!

If you check http://fibrerollout.ie/where-and-when/ ADA1_E01 is shown as due to go live on 5-AUG-15.

Taboganist007

Ah I can live with that! A few more days won't kill me. Counting down the days!

Johnboy1951

My local exchange had been showing as going live in May this year ..... it is now showing as 15th July ...... not that it will do me any good ...... just pointing out that those dates are rather 'fluid' it seems to me.

Hibrasil

Carlow – Tullow;
Cork - Blarney, Bantry, Ballincurrig, Ballyhooley, Carrigaline, Churchfield, Cobh, Dungourney, Killeagh, Kilworth;
Donegal - Ballybofey, Clonmany, Fahan, Malin, Raphoe, Killygordon;
Galway - Barna, Tuam,
Kerry - Beaufort, Listowel, Kilgarvan;
Kildare - Athy, Clane;
Laois – Portarlington;
Louth – Ardee, Dunleer, Togher;
Longford – Longford;
Meath – Bettystown, Ceanannas Mor;
Monaghan – Clones;
Sligo – Tubbercurry;
Westmeath – Athlone;
Wexford – Hollyfort;
Wicklow - Baltinglass, Carnew, Kilbride,
Also Cabinet - Bray (cab 018) - up to 100 Mb/s

The Cush

4 weeks ago - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=95855562#post95855562

siliconrepublic reports on it yesterday - 110k extra urban Irish homes to get fibre broadband as telco dispute ends

According to the Department of Communications’ National Broadband Plan Report, which provides an overview on the progress of plans to connect more than 600,000 homes and 100,000 businesses in rural areas, the dispute has been resolved.

It said ComReg has approved a request from Eircom to change the technical standards, which will allow the 110,000 additional homes and businesses in urban areas to get fibre broadband in the coming months.

According to a ComReg document on the matter, an independent consultant’s report confirmed that there was a risk to other broadband services in “some circumstances”.

After receiving assurances from Eircom that processes would be put in place during the rollout of EVDSL to monitor and fix faults if they arose, ComReg has granted Eircom’s approval to go ahead and connect the 110,000 homes and businesses to fibre broadband.

MiskyBoyy

Taboganist007 wrote: »

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Way to go Taboganist, you broke my chrome! :P

KByrnes7788

Anybody any idea what kind of speeds I will get when my exchange goes live.

I'm about 2.5KM away from the exchange (as the crow flies) and about 4KM away from the exchange (in terms of lines)

Currents stats:

Speed: 4096 kbps/384 kbps
Line Attenuation(Down/Up): 50.0 dB/ 30.0 dB
DSL Noise Margin: 8.5 dB/ 22.0 dB

MiskyBoyy

KByrnes7788 wrote: »

Anybody any idea what kind of speeds I will get when my exchange goes live.

I'm about 2.5KM away from the exchange (as the crow flies) and about 4KM away from the exchange (in terms of lines)

Currents stats:

Speed: 4096 kbps/384 kbps
Line Attenuation(Down/Up): 50.0 dB/ 30.0 dB
DSL Noise Margin: 8.5 dB/ 22.0 dB

I doubt you'll see any upgrade in speed at all

KByrnes7788

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

I doubt you'll see any upgrade in speed at all

Damn, not good....

ewj1978

I'm quoted at 7mb for 30DB attenuation.. You'll be lucky to see anything better than 4.

Barry Kelliher

I am checking this for my friend, he is due to get efibre on the 24th of this month and he is 500m away from his exchange ( I did calculate the distance using his line attenuation) what speeds could he be expecting (it will only be up to 70mbps due to it being exchanged based vdsl

MiskyBoyy

Barry Kelliher wrote: »

I am checking this for my friend, he is due to get efibre on the 24th of this month and he is 500m away from his exchange ( I did calculate the distance using his line attenuation) what speeds could he be expecting (it will only be up to 70mbps due to it being exchanged based vdsl

Should expect 60mb going by this:

hatchman

My cabinet is due to upgraded 4 of Aug am I right in assuming that as I am 7km away from it that i won't get any speed increase at all ? Currently only getting at best 0.9 :-( any improvement would make a big difference

ED E

hatchman wrote: »

My cabinet is due to upgraded 4 of Aug am I right in assuming that as I am 7km away from it that i won't get any speed increase at all ? Currently only getting at best 0.9 :-( any improvement would make a big difference

7KM, you're lucky to be getting more than 160k tbh! eVDSL wont benefit you at all.

hatchman

ED E wrote:

7KM, you're lucky to be getting more than 160k tbh! eVDSL wont benefit you at all.

Oh well my hopes totally dashed now might keep the carrier pigeons for another few years !

Delboy5

My Exchange went live last wednesday, got connected yesterday, 18 down and 5 up, download a slight improvement on what i had, upload a big improvement...

tuxy

People are now complaining about a downgrade in speed with Evdsl.

http://www.boards.ie/ttfthread/2057461221

No surprise when the Eircom site describes it as super fast broadband even if you are only able to get 7mb vdsl. I expect to see many complaints like this as Eircom will not inform customers of the reduction in speed by upgrading to super fast broadband.

Do you think it was a mistake to offer this to people more than 1500 metres from the exchange?

skydish79

tuxy wrote: »

People are now complaining about a downgrade in speed with Evdsl.

http://www.boards.ie/ttfthread/2057461221

No surprise when the Eircom site describes it as super fast broadband even if you are only able to get 7mb vdsl. I expect to see many complaints like this as Eircom will not inform customers of the reduction in speed by upgrading to super fast broadband.

Do you think it was a mistake to offer this to people more than 1500 metres from the exchange?

Will the efibre connection not be more stable?

ED E

skydish79 wrote: »

Will the efibre connection not be more stable?

Not if its struggling. Bad copper shows up way more with VDSl, especially upstream. An ADSL resync takes 15-20seconds, VDSL on the huawei MSANs takes 90 so any drops are really noticeable.

tuxy

Ed do you think it was a mistake to offer this service up to 2km?
Do you know if telecoms in other countries offer vdsl over such long distances?

ED E

Well others use ANNEX 30 and can go a lot further.

With cVDSL as eircom call it you can have situations where a 4_0.3Mb ADSL line becomes a 7_1Mb VDSL line, this is really maxing out the link length for the cab but the gains are quite significant for that customer, if not "superfast".

On the other hand with eVDSL the ADSL speed is already quite good at that range, so selling VDSL doesnt make sense unless they really really need the upload (Businesses with VPNs etc). Dunno what the providers sales teams will do with it.

Big problem here is the whole "You're in an efibre area, your lines not done yet but its coming soon" spiel. This has given thousands of people an expectation of upgrade that they simply will never get with this product.

Jjiipp79

Eircom are the most unprofessional and usless company I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with.

Not one department has a clue what the other is doing.

BandMember

ED E wrote: »

Not if its struggling. Bad copper shows up way more with VDSl, especially upstream. An ADSL resync takes 15-20seconds, VDSL on the huawei MSANs takes 90 so any drops are really noticeable.

So, what sort of impact will eFibre have for homes who phone line was installed 20, 30 or 40 years ago? In a lot of rural areas, exchanges were never enabled for broadband at all and there would be a lot of old houses whose lines were installed years ago and are probably completely obsolete at this stage. Even though Eircom are promising speeds "up too 100MB", what are the realistic speeds people should expect - even for those near the exchange?

ED E

Thats the same as everywhere, copper gets replaced as it fails for the most part. They'll probably just have a lot of faults in the first few months.

dbit

ED E wrote: »

Thats the same as everywhere, copper gets replaced as it fails for the most part. They'll probably just have a lot of faults in the first few months.

What a great delivery attitude they have forced upon us then . We didnt form these opinions un-aided , I suspect that ED E is correct as the line faults will be many . The degredation that exists on the DF lines is laughable . Pre- preperation for an area hasnt come into theyre thought process it seems. the usual banter from Eircom , make big publicity , lots of noise and attention , sweep the complaints under the carpet and ban those weho draw attention to the issues from support forums . They have no clue . It is evident they have tried to do something about poor CX delivery , Ultimately the day will come when eircom curls up its toenails . Not a question of if but when for me . XXX OOO Love you eircom.

BandMember

ED E wrote: »

Thats the same as everywhere, copper gets replaced as it fails for the most part. They'll probably just have a lot of faults in the first few months.

Well, that's just ridiclous!! They might as well just say "yeah, we can provide you with a broadband service but you're going to have nothing but faults and problems with it.....".

If they know in advance that the house and landline are ancient, would they not just replace the line when installing the broadband? You know, the logical and most cost efficient option..... :rolleyes:

dbit

BandMember wrote: »

Well, that's just ridiclous!! They might as well just say "yeah, we can provide you with a broadband service but you're going to have nothing but faults and problems with it.....".

If they know in advance that the house and landline are ancient, would they not just replace the line when installing the broadband? You know, the logical and most cost efficient option..... :rolleyes:

Words that make loud fog horn sounds in the Ericom offices :- Cost efficient , Logical, Quality service.......

ED E

BandMember wrote: »

Well, that's just ridiclous!! They might as well just say "yeah, we can provide you with a broadband service but you're going to have nothing but faults and problems with it.....".

If they know in advance that the house and landline are ancient, would they not just replace the line when installing the broadband? You know, the logical and most cost efficient option..... :rolleyes:

No, thats not what I'm saying.


The lines are currently ONLY used for voice and maybe IDSN/Diallup. Voice will run over two cans and a bit of string, DSL is far more sensitive. This means there will have been plenty of undetected non voice spectrum issues over the years that people wont have noticed and reported. These will "raise their heads" once the DSLAMs are commissioned and people start using the connections. This is normal for any Voice -> Voice & Data transition. Happens anywhere an old exchange gets upgraded. Its not specifically an eircom problem.

Some lines, especially the more recent provides will likely be fine where as some older homes will have issues, especially ones that used bell or alarm wire internally.

bk

BandMember wrote: »

If they know in advance that the house and landline are ancient, would they not just replace the line when installing the broadband? You know, the logical and most cost efficient option..... :rolleyes:

Because replacing a line is incredibly expensive task and the reality is that most lines are fine and won't have errors. Replacing a line certainly isn't the most cost efficient option, not up front!

What you have to understand is that Eircom are doing the low hanging fruit first.

It is relatively quick, easy and cheap for Eircom to switch on VDSL on a line (I believe about €200 per line) and most people will be delighted with the resulting big increase in speed they get.

Only a very small percentage of lines (probably well less then 5%) will have so many errors that they need replacing. Replacing such lines will likely cost thousands and more importantly tie up a lot of staff hours.

It just doesn't make sense for Eircom to slow down the rollout of VDSL to the majority of people who will see massive improvements, in order to fix the small minority of bad lines.

Of course once they finish these low hanging fruit, they absolutely should turn their attention back to fixing up these lines. However if you are replacing cable, then you are probably better off replacing them with FTTH while your at it.

Which is why Eircom now seems to be turning it's attention to rolling out FTTH and why I think we will increasingly see Eircom use FTTH as the solution to bad lines and lines that are too long.

But all of this just takes time and I'm afraid people will just have to be patient, sorry.

guil

Delboy5 wrote: »

My Exchange went live last wednesday, got connected yesterday, 18 down and 5 up, download a slight improvement on what i had, upload a big improvement...

What speed were you getting before you upgraded?

BandMember

ED E wrote: »

No, thats not what I'm saying.


The lines are currently ONLY used for voice and maybe IDSN/Diallup. Voice will run over two cans and a bit of string, DSL is far more sensitive. This means there will have been plenty of undetected non voice spectrum issues over the years that people wont have noticed and reported. These will "raise their heads" once the DSLAMs are commissioned and people start using the connections. This is normal for any Voice -> Voice & Data transition. Happens anywhere an old exchange gets upgraded. Its not specifically an eircom problem.

Some lines, especially the more recent provides will likely be fine where as some older homes will have issues, especially ones that used bell or alarm wire internally.

bk wrote: »

Because replacing a line is incredibly expensive task and the reality is that most lines are fine and won't have errors. Replacing a line certainly isn't the most cost efficient option, not up front!

What you have to understand is that Eircom are doing the low hanging fruit first.

It is relatively quick, easy and cheap for Eircom to switch on VDSL on a line (I believe about €200 per line) and most people will be delighted with the resulting big increase in speed they get.

Only a very small percentage of lines (probably well less then 5%) will have so many errors that they need replacing. Replacing such lines will likely cost thousands and more importantly tie up a lot of staff hours.

It just doesn't make sense for Eircom to slow down the rollout of VDSL to the majority of people who will see massive improvements, in order to fix the small minority of bad lines.

Of course once they finish these low hanging fruit, they absolutely should turn their attention back to fixing up these lines. However if you are replacing cable, then you are probably better off replacing them with FTTH while your at it.

Which is why Eircom now seems to be turning it's attention to rolling out FTTH and why I think we will increasingly see Eircom use FTTH as the solution to bad lines and lines that are too long.

But all of this just takes time and I'm afraid people will just have to be patient, sorry.

Thanks guys for the feedback. I suppose the area that I am specifically thinking of has an exchange which has never been upgraded or modernised (I think it can just about manage dial up) and has a lot of old houses with old lines so I can see plenty of potential problems ahead. I just hope that Eircom won't hesitate in fixing them rather than just taking a "Ah sure, they've got broadband now, they're grand" atttiude, you know?

bk

BandMember wrote: »

Thanks guys for the feedback. I suppose the area that I am specifically thinking of has an exchange which has never been upgraded or modernised (I think it can just about manage dial up) and has a lot of old houses with old lines so I can see plenty of potential problems ahead. I just hope that Eircom won't hesitate in fixing them rather than just taking a "Ah sure, they've got broadband now, they're grand" atttiude, you know?

I know what you mean about the "your grand" attitude that you talk about and you are absolutely right to be worried about it, it happens far too often here in Ireland.

However I do believe we are quickly reaching a tipping point where the cost of maintaining such crappy old copper lines is fast approaching a point where it becomes economically better for Eircom to spend the money on replacing those lines with Fiber and reap the benefits of vastly lower maintenance costs of fiber.

I believe that is why Eircom announced the news that they are going to replace 300,000 of the most rural lines with FTTH, pure economics.

Also the National Broadband Plan should come into play here. It is supposed to guanrantee at minimum 30Mb/s to every person in Ireland. So that should help subsidise repairs or even complete replacements with fiber to lines like yours.

Hibrasil

A query to Eircom confirmed that my line now qualifies for eFibre - but - due to the distance of my line from the cabinet the max speed available is "up to" 15Mb - the approximate distance is 1500m as lines from the exchange are not laid "as the crow flies".

My current down / up is 6.6 / 0.41 - courtesy Samknows reporting.

Question is (and has probably been asked before - so apologies) - is efibre likely to give me a much better (solid) performance than what I've got at the moment (given the "up to" 15Mb quote) and when vectoring is deployed will it be greatly improved (or not at all)

Thanks for opinions!

guil

Hibrasil wrote: »

A query to Eircom confirmed that my line now qualifies for eFibre - but - due to the distance of my line from the cabinet the max speed available is "up to" 15Mb - the approximate distance is 1500m as lines from the exchange are not laid "as the crow flies".

My current down / up is 6.6 / 0.41 - courtesy Samknows reporting.

Question is (and has probably been asked before - so apologies) - is efibre likely to give me a much better (solid) performance than what I've got at the moment (given the "up to" 15Mb quote) and when vectoring is deployed will it be greatly improved (or not at all)

Thanks for opinions!

I would go for it. As far as I know the speed quoted for vdsl is mostly what you will get. The upload will probably be much higher than you currently have.

ED E

Hibrasil wrote: »

A query to Eircom confirmed that my line now qualifies for eFibre - but - due to the distance of my line from the cabinet the max speed available is "up to" 15Mb - the approximate distance is 1500m as lines from the exchange are not laid "as the crow flies".

My current down / up is 6.6 / 0.41 - courtesy Samknows reporting.

Question is (and has probably been asked before - so apologies) - is efibre likely to give me a much better (solid) performance than what I've got at the moment (given the "up to" 15Mb quote) and when vectoring is deployed will it be greatly improved (or not at all)

Thanks for opinions!

You'll get at least 12_1, if not more. Lower latency. Pricing is similar so definitely worth it IMO.

Barry Kelliher

im not sure if anybody in this thread knows anything about my question but i am due to be upgraded to efibre next week and the master socket in my house is the old one with only one port in it designed for a telephone, when the engineer arrives to the house to install the new faceplate will he have any issues with my socket

ED E

Barry Kelliher wrote: »

im not sure if anybody in this thread knows anything about my question but i am due to be upgraded to efibre next week and the master socket in my house is the old one with only one port in it designed for a telephone, when the engineer arrives to the house to install the new faceplate will he have any issues with my socket

Nope, he just swaps it for a new one, they use the same mount.

pbarr

My exchange is due to go live on the 29th July. I am about 2100 mts from the exchange and when I put my phone no into the line checker at http://www.eircom.net/efibreinfo/map/# it comes back with a result saying " Your home is not in an eFibre area"
If I put in my neighbour's phone no who is about 6 Or 700 mts nearer the exch than I am the result is "Great news! Your home is eFibre enabled" I know that I am probably too far from the exchange to get any decent speed but at the moment the exchange is only capable of 7Mb/s but I'm wondering what would be the chances of eircom increasing the distance that the service is available. Even if I could only get 15 or 20Mb/s it would be better than what I have now.

ED E

pbarr wrote: »

the exchange is only capable of 7Mb/s

Thats an old ADSL1 service unit. If they throw in a few ADSL2+ racks then you should get 12-15Mb with the existing service. Still rubbish upload though.

tuxy

pbarr wrote: »

Even if I could only get 15 or 20Mb/s it would be better than what I have now.

I'm 1500 metres from the exchange and 12mb is the best speed I can expect with eFibre.
At your distance from the exchange there is only a slim chance that a 7mb efibre profile might work.
You would probably do better on ADSL2+ as ED E has already said.

guil

My exchange is due to go live on the 29/06, got a call from Vodafone today asking if I would like to order it when it is available. She said an engineer would be out sometime around the 29th to install.

MiskyBoyy

guil wrote: »

My exchange is due to go live on the 29/06, got a call from Vodafone today asking if I would like to order it when it is available. She said an engineer would be out sometime around the 29th to install.

Mine's the same. Going live 29th but they keep just telling me to ring them on or after the 29th.

I noticed on My Vodafone 2 weeks ago tho that I could order fibre so I did. Still pending tho, wonder why :rolleyes:

MBSnr

ED E wrote: »

Thats an old ADSL1 service unit. If they throw in a few ADSL2+ racks then you should get 12-15Mb with the existing service. Still rubbish upload though.

Do you know that this has happened in many exchanges? Is it something Eircom are actively doing or is there a criteria for it? Is it also possible that they would only port over Eircom customers and not others?

I'm on ADSL1 @ 2.5Km and live in hope that ADSL2 may be installed.....

Barry5714

MBSnr wrote: »

Do you know that this has happened in many exchanges? Is it something Eircom are actively doing or is there a criteria for it? Is it also possible that they would only port over Eircom customers and not others?

I'm on ADSL1 @ 2.5Km and live in hope that ADSL2 may be installed.....

Efibre launching in my exchange on July 29th, Adsl2 was only setup on May 31st so it does seem to be happening, efibre wont benefit me at 1900m away.. I rang Sky to tell them Adsl2 was now available they said i couldn't go any higher then 6mb so long story short i switched to eircom now getting 11mb...