Eircom fibre for direct to exchange news?

tuxy

Barry5714 wrote: »

Efibre launching in my exchange on July 29th, Adsl2 was only setup on May 31st so it does seem to be happening, efibre wont benefit me at 1900m away.. I rang Sky to tell them Adsl2 was now available they said i couldn't go any higher then 6mb so long story short i switched to eircom now getting 11mb...

So when an exchange is first upgraded to adsl2+ the space is reserved for Eircom customers only?

Barry5714

tuxy wrote: »

So when an exchange is first upgraded to adsl2+ the space is reserved for Eircom customers only?

I'm not sure, you could be right. i just know the sky rep i was talking to tested my line and it came back at 6mb, rang eircom straight away and they said i could be bumped up to a 12mb profile.. Maybe a sneaky tactic to lure customers back to them, but to be honest i'm not bothered i get the fist 6 months for 25 euro so there's a lot of savings there and the speed so far is steady 24/7...

MiskyBoyy

I doubt it lads. I got switched over to ADSL2+ on Vodafone as soon as it went live in my area. From 6mb to 16mb.

Barry Kelliher

I just got efibre and right now i am getting 48down and 14 up which i am really happy with, i am connected directly to the exchange so there is no vectoring, when they upgrade the exchanges for vectoring what speeds should i expect?

MiskyBoyy

Barry Kelliher wrote: »

I just got efibre and right now i am getting 48down and 14 up which i am really happy with, i am connected directly to the exchange so there is no vectoring, when they upgrade the exchanges for vectoring what speeds should i expect?

That was with you having a line attenuation of 14.7 on ADSL2? Nice

I have 13db on mine so hopefully I'll expect about the same.

Varik

small village with exchange on one end and cabinets on other, we've got efibre now and eircoms site is saying so as well but states max line speed as 7.

Getting 15 now off Vodafone and the same from eircom before changing to Vodafone.

Going to give them a call but looking for the truth so will start here.

MiskyBoyy

Varik wrote: »

small village with exchange on one end and cabinets on other, we've got efibre now and eircoms site is saying so as well but states max line speed as 7.

Getting 15 now off Vodafone and the same from eircom before changing to Vodafone.

Going to give them a call but looking for the truth so will start here.

What are you asking exactly?

What speed should you expect or?

ED E

tuxy wrote: »

So when an exchange is first upgraded to adsl2+ the space is reserved for Eircom customers only?

Nope, that'd be illegal.

Sky just hadn't updated their database.

Nollog

I've been fobbed around by Sky as they try desperately to connect me since July first here.

This is their claim (from an email yesterday)

At this stage we would usually have an activation date regarding the Broadband but at the moment we are currently having a system issue which is causing Broadband orders to be delayed and activation dates delayed in being generated also. This has been raised as an issue to be resolved asap and once it is resolved the Broadband order should progress as normal.
Regarding this I apologise for the delay to the broadband going active and we are hopeful we will have an update on this towards the end of the week.

Might come into play for the above I guess.

mass_debater

/\/ollog wrote: »

I've been fobbed around by Sky as they try desperately to connect me since July first here.

This is their claim (from an email yesterday)


Might come into play for the above I guess.

I think Sky aren't having much success with their system of install, they insist that their own installers do the in-house (Sierra) and that KN activate the line by doing the cab work for Eircom. This means the line never gets tested as this can only be done from the cab with the voltage (dial tone) removed. It's a stupid system that's causing problems for the customer that everyone ends up blaming everyone else, it should be Eircom or KN doing the lot and testing as they go.

legrand

I have used this to calculate expect distance and line speed (http://www.speedguide.net/dsl_speed_calc.php) which ties in more or less with what Eircom stated I would get.

Gutted can only get 15megs up from 10, feel sorry for those still getting single figures. My attentuation indicates me about 1.5k but exchange 600m away so clearly going around the block!

Anyway, can anyone share an Eircom line checker link that shows expected speed? I want to check houses or businesses nearby which may be using a shorter/different path to the exchange.

thanks

tuxy

legrand wrote: »

Anyway, can anyone share an Eircom line checker link that shows expected speed? I want to check houses or businesses nearby which may be using a shorter/different path to the exchange.

thanks

If you go to buy now here
https://www.eircom.net/broadband/
you can put any number in then click the discover maximum speed drop down to see the speed expected.

guil

That's interesting, when I ran the script and got a date of the 29th it was saying a speed of 18 down and 5 up. I just checked on the link above using my address and it says the max I can get is 25 down. I'll have to check tomorrow on the laptop but hopefully it's right.

MiskyBoyy

guil wrote: »

That's interesting, when I ran the script and got a date of the 29th it was saying a speed of 18 down and 5 up. I just checked on the link above using my address and it says the max I can get is 25 down. I'll have to check tomorrow on the laptop but hopefully it's right.

What's that script again I was looking for that.

guil

A script may not be the correct term but you need to install a cURL executable, copy it to the C: drive and then in chrome go to the eircom page that checks your phone line. Right click the box you put the number in and click inspect element. Click network and then preserve log. Think XHR is somewhere around there as well and you click that. Put in the phone number and click check.

You will see a result on the right starting with true:
Right click that and click copy as cURL, run command prompt and type
C:\curl right click and paste and hit enter.

There's some info here
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2710748/run-curl-commands-from-windows-console

Nollog

mass_debater wrote: »

I think Sky aren't having much success with their system of install, they insist that their own installers do the in-house (Sierra) and that KN activate the line by doing the cab work for Eircom. This means the line never gets tested as this can only be done from the cab with the voltage (dial tone) removed. It's a stupid system that's causing problems for the customer that everyone ends up blaming everyone else, it should be Eircom or KN doing the lot and testing as they go.

Yep, when I first got them it took them about a month to finally send someone out.
I believe it was an eircom engineer though. All he did was install a new NTU and check it worked from the exchange. 20 minutes later, boom, done.

Then I moved in here July.
I assumed since the fibre style NTU was already here and the estate agent told me it's 100mbit etc. etc. that it'd be simple. Silly me.

If I may lend someone's ear off them, they say my phone line is active, I can make calls, but I can't receive them.
An ericom man tells me my number is not in service when I call from my mobile, he reads my number when I dial whatever number that is to have them do that, and tells me my provider is sky when I dial that number.
It's strange. And it's annoying, because I don't even use the phone, but the internet relies on it working properly.

guil

Just checked on the pc and it still says 18/5. Wonder why eircoms speed checker said I can get up to 25mb?

ED E

/\/ollog wrote: »

If I may lend someone's ear off them, they say my phone line is active, I can make calls, but I can't receive them.
An ericom man tells me my number is not in service when I call from my mobile, he reads my number when I dial whatever number that is to have them do that, and tells me my provider is sky when I dial that number.
It's strange. And it's annoying, because I don't even use the phone, but the internet relies on it working properly.

Is this dialling 199000 and 1777?

Its weird that you can make them but not receive, that means the call routes havent been set up. Sky should escalate that. If the port was turned off by eircom you'd just get a perm engaged tone.

Nollog

ED E wrote: »

Is this dialling 199000 and 1777?

Its weird that you can make them but not receive, that means the call routes havent been set up. Sky should escalate that. If the port was turned off by eircom you'd just get a perm engaged tone.

Yeah the first is the one where the guy calls out your number (he didn't call out the first 0 in the area code, but I'm pretty confident that's normal.
I never heard of 1777, but called it just now and the guy said it was successful and there was no charge.

Sky want me to buy a corded phone to test the line for them, I sent a reply (i'm becoming frustrated, so it was overly dramatic) that I wouldn't buy a phone for them to save the cost of an engineer visit, and asked if the lack of service was in breach of my contract yet.

ED E

If you can dial 1777 then the handset and line work. Thats the test an eircom engineer would use. Sending one probably wont help.

They need to send this off to somebody more senior within sky.

Nollog

ED E wrote: »

If you can dial 1777 then the handset and line work. Thats the test an eircom engineer would use. Sending one probably wont help.

They need to send this off to somebody more senior within sky.

I called their tech support today, they got me to buy a phone in argos that they will credit back to me.
After doing that, I called again, no testing was done. Guy checked with supervisor and came back saying there's a back office issue and the phone line issue will probably be sorted out when the internet is activated.

Is this comreg complaint stuff or should i talk to eircom wholesale or something first?

Sorry I'm dragging this off-topic.

ED E

COMREG will give em 10 days by which time you'll likely be active.

Intigo

I don't know if this has being posted before but eVDSL, as Eircom call it, is using VDSL2 profile 8B. Wiki says the bandwitdh is 8.832Mhz and the max. download speed is 50Mbit/s.

guil

Intigo wrote: »

I don't know if this has being posted before but eVDSL, as Eircom call it, is using VDSL2 profile 8B. Wiki says the bandwitdh is 8.832Mhz and the max. download speed is 50Mbit/s.

Are you sure? Someone said here recently that the max on evdsl is 70mb

Intigo

guil wrote: »

Are you sure? Someone said here recently that the max on evdsl is 70mb

I'm sure my modem is using profile 8b.

mass_debater

Intigo wrote: »

I'm sure my modem is using profile 8b.

70mbit for now until they enable vectoring

tuxy

mass_debater wrote: »

70mbit for now until they enable vectoring

I'm confused, how is 70mbit possible over profile 8b?

mass_debater

tuxy wrote: »

I'm confused, how is 70mbit possible over profile 8b?

No idea, is the wiki even correct? 70mbit is the max profile being obtained by customers until vectoring is enabled. I have it from someone in Eircom that it will be vectored as normal the same as the cabs.

tuxy

It seems to be correct. vdsl to the cab uses profile 17a. Now we have a evdsl customer whos modem is reporting that it's using profile 8b witch would limit it to 50mbit.
I think an 8b profile would be used to increase range which would make sense for evdsl.

ED E

That poster must be in a test area. 17a is being used for DF lines and cabs.

dbit

Sitting here in the kama sutra position tantric Eircom efiber install incoming ........
(Sit around all day and no one comes) - hopefully not.

Will have a full report on the macroom profile if it gets installed today . Been through the mill with them , after house move final bill paid , new 72 euro imagination land bill arrives where they tell me yes Sir we bill you now ahead of time lol . So hard to keep my cool with Eircom, Comreg contacted line blocked from move to vodafone over all the confusion , lack of call logging , loss of knowledge to whats actually going on . Weeee around the Eircom magic roundabout of never ending call line queue passing to other people . "Thats not my job or department wonderland."

Contacted cusomter care and low and behold they can edit my profile to include my email and phone number - where as the person previous cancels my order due to them not moving my details across and the install being delayed another 2-3 weeks .

If its a no show today its comreg voda and tooth extraction with no anisthetic attidue for Ercom from now on.

gazzer

Does anybody know if the Kilnaleck exchange has gone live yet? It was due to go live this month.

guil

gazzer wrote: »

Does anybody know if the Kilnaleck exchange has gone live yet? It was due to go live this month.

The map says 29/07.

MiskyBoyy

gazzer wrote: »

Does anybody know if the Kilnaleck exchange has gone live yet? It was due to go live this month.

I'm guessing you were looking at the efibre map where it just says going live July?

This is the map you should be looking at, gives the actual date it goes live:

http://fibrerollout.ie/where-and-when/

gazzer

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

I'm guessing you were looking at the efibre map where it just says going live July?

This is the map you should be looking at, gives the actual date it goes live:

http://fibrerollout.ie/where-and-when/

Ah perfect. Thanks. Its due to go leave this day week. I still dont think I will get fibre broadband as I am just over 2km from the exchange but Im hoping I will get some type of speed increase.

ItHurtsWhenIP

dbit wrote: »

Sitting here in the kama sutra position tantric Eircom efiber install incoming ........
...

I know what your problem is ... you're all out of lotion!!!

BandMember

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

I'm guessing you were looking at the efibre map where it just says going live July?

This is the map you should be looking at, gives the actual date it goes live:

http://fibrerollout.ie/where-and-when/

I wouldn't be using that map at the moment to be honest, it hasn't been updated in a while and a lot of the exchanges that we due to go live in June and July are still in the "in progress" stage because a lot of completion dates have been missed along with the map being outdated.

ItHurtsWhenIP

BandMember wrote: »

I wouldn't be using that map at the moment to be honest, it hasn't been updated in a while and a lot of the exchanges that we due to go live in June and July are still in the "in progress" stage because a lot of completion dates have been missed along with the map being outdated.

The best source of info for where has been done is here. They have weekly updates on what cabs/exchanges have gone live.

mailsanchu

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

The best source of info for where has been done is here. They have weekly updates on what cabs/exchanges have gone live.

Did any body able to install third party router with eircom vdsl f2000 modem

The Cush

ED E wrote: »

That poster must be in a test area. 17a is being used for DF lines and cabs.

This from another thread

Techspert wrote: »

Eircom are conducting limited trials in some rural locations to extend fibre cover out to 4km.

What speed could be expected at 4km?
Maybe some hope for us at 4km from the exchange or if a local exchange was upgraded with fibre backhaul would congestion free adsl2 be a better option?

Also from eircom wholesale's technical handbook (Wholesale NGA National Deployment)

The table below gives an overview of the present VDSL2 Implementation and implementations that are planned to be introduced in 2013/2014 as enhancements to FTTC VDSL2.

Profile 8b B8-4 (Annex B G.993.2)
Retransmission (G.998.4)
X Vectoring (G.993.5)
SRA (G.993.2)
X AELEM (G.992.3)

...

2. The modem shall support VDSL2 Profile 17a B8-11 as defined in Annex B of G.993.2. Support for profile 8b B8-4 from G.993.2 is also recommended

http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=1166

although in the proposed v7 of the Technical Handbook (Wholesale NGA National Deployment), Profile 8b has been crossed out

The table below gives an overview of the present VDSL2 Implementation and implementations that are planned in the future.

Profile 8b B8-4 (Annex B G.993.2)
Retransmission (G.998.4)
Vectoring (G.993.5)
SRA (G.993.2)
AELEM (G.992.3)

http://www.eircomwholesale.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2182

B

any news on exchange RBK1_091 (Rushbrook exchange) in cobh we seem to be the last to get fiber it seems to be an exchange on its own in the estae eircom promising efiber all the time but nothing yet? even though half the estate has fiber on a separate cabinet

Padraig Mor

B wrote: »

any news on exchange RBK1_091 (Rushbrook exchange) in cobh we seem to be the last to get fiber it seems to be an exchange on its own in the estae eircom promising efiber all the time but nothing yet? even though half the estate has fiber on a separate cabinet

I'm on it too (it's actually RBK1_E01). It's scheduled for 'Autumn 2015' - but it's been 'scheduled' for several dates at this stage. It's a pain in the rear alright when your neighbours can get fibre and you can't (plus the ADSL broadband has been down since yesterday!). I think it suffers from being in a large area which is fibre enabled. They recently (this month) enabled the similar exchange cabinet in the centre of Cobh so I had hoped they would do Rushbrooke then, but no joy....

TheChizler

The family home is getting Exchange-VDSL (DYX in Cork) on Monday, roll-out happened sooner than I expected. Can't see an improvement happening though, they're about 1.5 km away.

I need to call in and figure out where they're going to put the master socket, house hasn't had one for years, internal wiring is mostly held together with electrical tape. Might be the kick I need to sort it out. No way the technician is going to put in a cable to where they've installed all the network equipment.

ClonNGB

Got switched today finally to VDSL (600m direct to the exchange / line att. 14db).

The modem shows I am running ADSL 8B.

Downstream Upstream
Actual Rate 30717 Kbps 8191 Kbps
Attainable Rate 46590 Kbps 11842 Kbps

Speed test showing a ping of 10 with download 28mb upload 8mb.

(was getting 15mb/1mb on adsl2+ so a decent upgrade)

Full stats for what it's worth.


ATU-R Information
Type: VDSL2
Hardware: Annex A
Firmware: 05-07-03-08-00-07
Power Mngt Mode: DSL_G997_PMS_L0
Line State: SHOWTIME
Running Mode: 8B
Vendor ID: b5006946 544e0000
ATU-C Information
Vendor ID: b5004444 434da48a [BDCM]
Line Statistics

Downstream Upstream
Actual Rate 30717 Kbps 8191 Kbps
Attainable Rate 46590 Kbps 11842 Kbps
Path Mode Fast Fast
Interleave Depth 1 1
Actual PSD 6. 4 dB 14. 3 dB
Near End Far End
Trellis ON ON
Bitswap ON ON
SNR Margin 14 dB 13 dB
Attenuation 21 dB 26 dB
CRC 0 0
FECS 0 s 6 s
ES 0 s 0 s
SES 0 s 0 s
LOSS 0 s 0 s
UAS 29 s 4147803 s
HEC Errors 0 0
RS Corrections 0 0
LOS Failure 0 0
LOF Failure 0 0
LPR Failure 0 0
NCD Failure 0 0
LCD Failure 0 0
NFEC 32 32
RFEC 16 16
LYSMB 16 16

dbit

ClonNGB wrote: »

Got switched today finally to VDSL (600m direct to the exchange / line att. 14db).

The modem shows I am running ADSL 8B.

Downstream Upstream
Actual Rate 30717 Kbps 8191 Kbps
Attainable Rate 46590 Kbps 11842 Kbps

Speed test showing a ping of 10 with download 28mb upload 8mb.

(was getting 15mb/1mb on adsl2+ so a decent upgrade)

Full stats for what it's worth.


ATU-R Information
Type: VDSL2
Hardware: Annex A
Firmware: 05-07-03-08-00-07
Power Mngt Mode: DSL_G997_PMS_L0
Line State: SHOWTIME
Running Mode: 8B
Vendor ID: b5006946 544e0000
ATU-C Information
Vendor ID: b5004444 434da48a [BDCM]
Line Statistics

Downstream Upstream
Actual Rate 30717 Kbps 8191 Kbps
Attainable Rate 46590 Kbps 11842 Kbps
Path Mode Fast Fast
Interleave Depth 1 1
Actual PSD 6. 4 dB 14. 3 dB
Near End Far End
Trellis ON ON
Bitswap ON ON
SNR Margin 14 dB 13 dB
Attenuation 21 dB 26 dB
CRC 0 0
FECS 0 s 6 s
ES 0 s 0 s
SES 0 s 0 s
LOSS 0 s 0 s
UAS 29 s 4147803 s
HEC Errors 0 0
RS Corrections 0 0
LOS Failure 0 0
LOF Failure 0 0
LPR Failure 0 0
NCD Failure 0 0
LCD Failure 0 0
NFEC 32 32
RFEC 16 16
LYSMB 16 16

IS your attenuation not one of these ? Attenuation 21 dB 26 dB Actual PSD 14 db ? is Power spectrum density . Just saying as your 600 Meters would be moot on 21 DB or 26 DB ? I would expect sync at 38 for around 14 DB down attn. Even at 14 DB you would be roughly at 1,000 meters , Could be due to some line loss or crosstalk , or any number of factors .

guil

Something must be wrong if he was getting 15mb with 14db. I'm getting 17mb at 17db but I'm about 1200m from the exchange.

ClonNGB

dbit wrote: »

IS your attenuation not one of these ? Attenuation 21 dB 26 dB Actual PSD 14 db ? is Power spectrum density . Just saying as your 600 Meters would be moot on 21 DB or 26 DB ? I would expect sync at 38 for around 14 DB down attn. Even at 14 DB you would be roughly at 1,000 meters , Could be due to some line loss or crosstalk , or any number of factors .

Previously all line check estimates would say I should get 20mb on ADSL2+ but it never came near in reality.

As a previous poster noted, they are using VDSL profile 8B rather than 17a on the direct fed lines which gives a max of 50mb. Why are eircom still mentioning 70mb for the direct fed lines on their publications ?

dbit

ClonNGB wrote: »

Previously all line check estimates would say I should get 20mb on ADSL2+ but it never came near in reality.

As a previous poster noted, they are using VDSL profile 8B rather than 17a on the direct fed lines which gives a max of 50mb. Why are eircom still mentioning 70mb for the direct fed lines on their publications ?

Ye im on 12 DB at new address expecting 40/10 . Still waiting for the third attempt at the install.

Barry5714

E-fibre due to go live in my village next week, won't do me any good being 1900m from the exchange.. But on the plus side ADSL2 was also installed recently, I've been connected to this now for a couple of days I'm on a 12MB profile and getting 10.5MB consistently on speedtest.net previously got 6MB on ADSL..

So just wondering if I'm getting the best my line can handle??

Here are my stats..

Speed - 12288 / 670
Attenuation - 29.7 / 15.5 [Downstream Attenuation on ADSL was 26]
Noise Margin - 9.8 / 19.3

Any feedback much appreciated..

dbit

ClonNGB wrote: »

Previously all line check estimates would say I should get 20mb on ADSL2+ but it never came near in reality.

As a previous poster noted, they are using VDSL profile 8B rather than 17a on the direct fed lines which gives a max of 50mb. Why are eircom still mentioning 70mb for the direct fed lines on their publications ?

Do you really have to ask this question ? EIRCOM TELLS LIES. as do Voda and any other carrier out there.