Eircom fibre for direct to exchange news?

ED E

Barry5714 wrote: »

E-fibre due to go live in my village next week, won't do me any good being 1900m from the exchange.. But on the plus side ADSL2 was also installed recently, I've been connected to this now for a couple of days I'm on a 12MB profile and getting 10.5MB consistently on speedtest.net previously got 6MB on ADSL..

So just wondering if I'm getting the best my line can handle??

Here are my stats..

Speed - 12288 / 670
Attenuation - 29.7 / 15.5 [Downstream Attenuation on ADSL was 26]
Noise Margin - 9.8 / 19.3

Any feedback much appreciated..

15Mb would be risky on that line, snr would likely be just above 6dB. Assuming your modem is at the master socket with correct internal wiring that's maxxed out.

guil

ED E wrote: »

15Mb would be risky on that line, snr would likely be just above 6dB. Assuming your modem is at the master socket with correct internal wiring that's maxxed out.

My snr is 6 and has been for at least a year with no problems.

Barry5714

ED E wrote: »

15Mb would be risky on that line, snr would likely be just above 6dB. Assuming your modem is at the master socket with correct internal wiring that's maxxed out.

Thanks ED I'll probably stick with what i have so, could be drawing trouble on myself if i go chasing faster speeds...

ED E

guil wrote: »

My snr is 6 and has been for at least a year with no problems.

As before, it can work but is generally not advisable.

MiskyBoyy

Wait, so people connected direct to the exchange are restricted to 50mb max as opposed to 70mb if connected to the cab?

If so, what will be the case when vectoring is enabled? Will the exchange go up to 70mb or 100mb?

jd

ED E wrote: »

That poster must be in a test area. 17a is being used for DF lines and cabs.

Yes, there are definitely evdsl customers with 70 Mb profiles

ClonNGB

I only get connected yesterday and I was on profile 8B. Modem was getting 28mb but showing attainable of 46mb I just phoned Vodafone and asked if they could bump me up to the 40mb profile. The vodafone person immediately did so and I am now getting 38 down and 9 up. What is interesting though is the modem is showing they moved me on to the 17a profile. So anyone in the same boat, it is worth a call to your ISP.

ItHurtsWhenIP

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

Wait, so people connected direct to the exchange are restricted to 50mb max as opposed to 70mb if connected to the cab?

If so, what will be the case when vectoring is enabled? Will the exchange go up to 70mb or 100mb?

If they're connected to a cab, they can get up to 100Mbps, as all the cabs are vectored (AFAIK).

It's only the eVDSL that is mostly up to 70Mbps - unvectored. It's this recent mention of an 8b profile that seems to be providing lower speeds - though the question that needs to be answered is - does this profile give a greater range?

byte

mailsanchu wrote: »

Did any body able to install third party router with eircom vdsl f2000 modem

I'd like to know this too, as I finally rang Eircom to upgrade work's 6mbit ADSL to eFibre.

I may have mentioned this earlier inthread, but work uses a VPN to link two shops to POS software, with DSL modems bridged to ZyXEL Firewalls using IPsec.

Does anyone know if the F2000 has options for IPsec? Could maybe rule out the added firewall?

jd

byte wrote: »

I'd like to know this too, as I finally rang Eircom to upgrade work's 6mbit ADSL to eFibre.

I may have mentioned this earlier inthread, but work uses a VPN to link two shops to POS software, with DSL modems bridged to ZyXEL Firewalls using IPsec.

Does anyone know if the F2000 has options for IPsec? Could maybe rule out the added firewall?

Don't use ipsec myself but do have a F2000

mass_debater

I have my f2000 bridged to a Mikrotik router, no problems, survives reboots

byte

Thanks for the replies guys. Good to know!

I was pushing to get eFibre with my boss because 6meg/0.5meg was mediocre for most stuff, plus it would benefit the remote shop who would rely on our speeds.

I'm not fully sure how it all works, but I'd imagine the ZyXEL firewall would be redundant if the F2000 has IPsec (which it does seem to have, thanks to jd's grab) and sure routers have their own firewalls?

I'd be glad to be rid of the ZyXEL firewall if possible from the chain, as it's caused its fair share of issues over the past few years (well, between it and the router it's bridged with).

jd

I guess you need to talk to your IT guys, Byte, and they can talk to eircom's business support. I think the F2000 supports adsl too, so maybe ask your IT people to ask eircom for a f2000 to test things out.

ED E

jd wrote: »

I guess you need to talk to your IT guys, Byte, and they can talk to eircom's business support. I think the F2000 supports adsl too, so maybe ask your IT people to ask eircom for a f2000 to test things out.

Does indeed with a quick config change to PPPoE.

byte

jd wrote: »

I guess you need to talk to your IT guys, Byte, and they can talk to eircom's business support. I think the F2000 supports adsl too, so maybe ask your IT people to ask eircom for a f2000 to test things out.

Well, eFibre is ordered now, so I guess we'll see what happens!

If the F2000 won't work directly with the IPsec VPN, then sure bridging it with the existing firewall shouldn't be of major concern.

The IT guys responsible for the POS software don't believe it will be a major concern. I'm going to try organise have one of their guys on site on the day the VDSL is installed.

There's another concern, in that the static IP won't be crossed over to the eFibre service till after end of day.

jd

byte wrote: »

There's another concern, in that the static IP won't be crossed over to the eFibre service till after end of day.

You have a static on your existing eircom adsl? And you are migrating to VDSL on same line?

Ok the f2000 will be set up initially using IPoE. When the installation is marked complete by the tech, a request will be sent back into eircom's systems to change the CPE to use PPPoE. CPE should reboot and come back online with the static. (Static will have been moved from adsl account to the nga account)

mass_debater

byte wrote: »

Well, eFibre is ordered now, so I guess we'll see what happens!

If the F2000 won't work directly with the IPsec VPN, then sure bridging it with the existing firewall shouldn't be of major concern.

The IT guys responsible for the POS software don't believe it will be a major concern. I'm going to try organise have one of their guys on site on the day the VDSL is installed.

There's another concern, in that the static IP won't be crossed over to the eFibre service till after end of day.

The next thing is, what speed will the existing firewall cope with. I've seen 100mbit VDSL connections show to 20mbit by the time they pass through the aging firewall.

byte

jd wrote: »

You have a static on your existing eircom adsl? And you are migrating to VDSL on same line?

Ok the f2000 will be set up initially using IPoE. When the installation is marked complete by the tech, a request will be sent back into eircom's systems to change the CPE to use PPPoE. CPE should reboot and come back online with the static. (Static will have been moved from adsl account to the nga account)

Yes to both the first questions. Existing ADSL line will change to VDSL.

Thanks for the info on how it works. I was told it would be after End-of-Day before the static IP would be in effect.

I'm actually wondering if the IT guy should not be onsite til the day after and the Static IP is in place. He's not going to be successful setting up the VPN again if the static IP isn't active? That, and paramaters changing from IPoE to PPPoE.

I would like if the F2000 could be able to render the ZyXEL firewall obsolete as it hasn't been without its problems.

Thanks for the help, much appreciated. I will expect a call from Eircom in the next few days with an install date and I'll keep ye posted.

ED E

byte wrote: »

Yes to both the first questions. Existing ADSL line will change to VDSL.

Thanks for the info on how it works. I was told it would be after End-of-Day before the static IP would be in effect.

I'm actually wondering if the IT guy should not be onsite til the day after and the Static IP is in place. He's not going to be successful setting up the VPN again if the static IP isn't active? That, and paramaters changing from IPoE to PPPoE.

I would like if the F2000 could be able to render the ZyXEL firewall obsolete as it hasn't been without its problems.

Thanks for the help, much appreciated. I will expect a call from Eircom in the next few days with an install date and I'll keep ye posted.

PPPoE should come on within minutes of the modem coming online and registering with the pinhole management server. Statics take a while to move from NGB to NGA, the deployment I transitioned took ~48hrs with a provisional address in the intervening time.

You'll still be able to configure and test the VPN, just not using the normal IP until it migrates.

Hibrasil

Hibrasil wrote: »

Using Eircom's line checker the response I get when I input my phone number is the usual you are not in an efibre area but Eircom are rolling out etc etc.
However on the same "checker" when I input my address instead of my phone number - I get "Great News your Home is efibre enabled".

On a repeat performance this morning ....inputting Phone number and then address ..I get "You are not in an efibre area ...but Eircom are rolling out etc etc".

My home address was efibre enabled but now it appears it is not.

Are Eircom rolling Back or rolling out...any idea what is going on!

By the way...also....on checking line speed on Vodafone line checker....."We are unable to check your line speed...please call us on....."

dbit

Hibrasil wrote: »

On a repeat performance this morning ....inputting Phone number and then address ..I get "You are not in an efibre area ...but Eircom are rolling out etc etc".

My home address was efibre enabled but now it appears it is not.

Are Eircom rolling Back or rolling out...any idea what is going on!

By the way...also....on checking line speed on Vodafone line checker....."We are unable to check your line speed...please call us on....."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch9X4HtTXIE

Praetorian

I got a second exchange vdsl line installed today at work, again it's being limited to 40 x 10 with attainables of 65 x 32.

There has to be by now quite a few exchange launched lines from my exchange installed so interference doesn't seem to be killing the snr rates.

Those figures are still great and attainables are great. So even pre exchange vectoring the lines sure are being set super conservatively.

I'd be happy to get the two lines upto 50 x 20. Seemingly though no other profiles for now are available other than 40 x 10.

Just a side note on exchange vdsl. The pings are the best I've ever seen other than on FTTH. Your talking 5-6 ms to Irish servers which is quite impressive.

notahappycamper

Praetorian wrote: »

I got a second exchange vdsl line installed today at work, again it's being limited to 40 x 10 with attainables of 65 x 32.

There has to be by now quite a few exchange launched lines from my exchange installed so interference doesn't seem to be killing the snr rates.

Those figures are still great and attainables are great. So even pre exchange vectoring the lines sure are being set super conservatively.

I'd be happy to get the two lines upto 50 x 20. Seemingly though no other profiles for now are available other than 40 x 10.

Just a side note on exchange vdsl. The pings are the best I've ever seen other than on FTTH. Your talking 5-6 ms to Irish servers which is quite impressive.

You're on a fixed profile which appears to be giving you the better ping times. I've noticed that that when I was on a fixed profile vs. an auto/rate adaptive profile the ping times were between 6-8ms. When I was put on an a rate adaptive profile they went to 25-35ms. What is the reason for his does anyone know? Also, the INP increased on a fixed profile from 2 symbols on a rate adaptive to 29/30 on a fixed profile?

ED E

notahappycamper wrote: »

You're on a fixed profile which appears to be giving you the better ping times. I've noticed that that when I was on a fixed profile vs. an auto/rate adaptive profile the ping times were between 6-8ms. When I was put on an a rate adaptive profile they went to 25-35ms. What is the reason for his does anyone know? Also, the INP increased on a fixed profile from 2 symbols on a rate adaptive to 29/30 on a fixed profile?

Its INP, it causes a delay to be able to compute out failures due to a burst of errors as I understand it. 2 clocks is nothing, 30 seems to manifest itself.

notahappycamper

ED E wrote: »

Its INP, it causes a delay to be able to compute out failures due to a burst of errors as I understand it. 2 clocks is nothing, 30 seems to manifest itself.

Is it different to vectoring? So, when I was getting ping times with lower speed it was down to the errors being checked more often i.e. 30 symbols with lower ping times and lower download/upload speed vs. 2 symbols with higher down/upload speeds and higher ping times?

ED E

FR: Safe syncs, lesser need for INP, low latency
RA: Aggressive syncs, more need for INP, higher latency

byte

mass_debater wrote: »

The next thing is, what speed will the existing firewall cope with. I've seen 100mbit VDSL connections show to 20mbit by the time they pass through the aging firewall.

Checked today, and the firewall is a Zyxel ZyWALL USG20W

Got emailed from Eircom, install happening tomorrow week, so quick enough.

MiskyBoyy

Today is Christmas Eve for everyone getting fibre enabled tomorrow July 29th. Including myself

Hopefully won't take too long after tomorrow to get it up and running

Hibrasil

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

Today is Christmas Eve for everyone getting fibre enabled tomorrow July 29th. Including myself

Hopefully won't take too long after tomorrow to get it up and running

Not wishing to pour cold water etc........my exchange went live on the 8th July ....and I'm as far away today from efibre as I was last year.....eventually asked my ISP (the technical guys) to upgrade my profile to the next level (9-12 Mb) instead of present profile of up to 8 Mb. I am only 1500 metres from exchange.

I wish you better luck

MiskyBoyy

Hibrasil wrote: »

Not wishing to pour cold water etc........my exchange went live on the 8th July ....and I'm as far away today from efibre as I was last year.....eventually asked my ISP (the technical guys) to upgrade my profile to the next level (9-12 Mb) instead of present profile of up to 8 Mb. I am only 1500 metres from exchange.

I wish you better luck

I'm already on 17mb. Have already verified with my ISP that I'll receive 40mb once it gets connected. So I'm happy enough with that. A bit closer than you tho, 1500m is pushing it a bit

TheChizler

TheChizler wrote: »

The family home is getting Exchange-VDSL (DYX in Cork) on Monday, roll-out happened sooner than I expected. Can't see an improvement happening though, they're about 1.5 km away.

As predicted it's no improvement in download, upload is slightly faster, just over a megabit. DL is down from 15 to 12 Mb/s. Latency is a lot better though.

tuxy

TheChizler wrote: »

As predicted it's no improvement in download, upload is slightly faster, just over a megabit. DL is down from 15 to 12 Mb/s. Latency is a lot better though.

Did Eircom inform them that their download speed would be slower before they switched?

Unless you really need the low latency I can't see how a .25 mbit increase in upload is worth losing 3 mbit in download.

ED E

Its a 33% increase to a 20% loss with better latency, not a terrible deal.

TheChizler

tuxy wrote: »

Did Eircom inform them that their download speed would be slower before they switched?

Unless you really need the low latency I can't see how a .25 mbit increase in upload is worth losing 3 mbit in download.

Not as far as I'm aware, but there was a big customer push for it so I wouldn't go complaining myself... The wiring in the house is dire though so I might be able to have a look at it, pity though!

guil

What does the Engineer have to call for after an order for evdsl? My line was only installed January 14 with no previous line there before.

Would the faceplate that's there be compatible or are they wired differently?

dbit

ok mines in and on 40/10 @ 850 meters :-
Type VDSL
Status Up
Uptime 0 days 0 hours 15 mins 53 secs
Line Rate (Down / Up) 40960 Kbps / 10239 Kbps
Noise Margin (Down / Up) 17.6 dB / 19.7 dB
Attenuation (Down / Up) 15.4 dB / 7.7 dB
Power (Down / Up) 13.9 dBm / 7.6 dBm


KN guy has not arrived yet but im on :-) Down attn was @ 12 on adsl+2 @ 19MB/.75MB

dbit

guil wrote: »

What does the Engineer have to call for after an order for evdsl? My line was only installed January 14 with no previous line there before.

Would the faceplate that's there be compatible or are they wired differently?

HE hasnt even arrived here yet , but my face plate had already got two sockets on it . Mines up and running set it up myself. HE did not change the faceplate.

guil

dbit wrote: »

HE hasnt even arrived here yet , but my face plate had already got two sockets on it . Mines up and running set it up myself.

When did it go active at the exchange? Mine is due for today

dbit

The KN guy called around 8.40 am (Phone called) , said he would be up in an hour . I saw my adsl go down so i knew he had switched me , Grabbed a vdsl modem set ip up and off ya go ( Vdsl , eircom@eircom.net , Broadband1 , vlan 10) And off it went . He just called a min ago took one look smiled and headed off for an early lunch.

Praetorian

dbit,

Welcome to the 40x10 evolution

It's probably not what we both had hoped for, I had a 18m/bit x 2m/bit line previously at work, but it's still a hell of a lot better than what we had before. Excellent pings and a much more useful connection altogether. Hopefully Eircom will release some faster profiles soon and hopefully exchange vectoring will also happen at some stage.

dbit

Praetorian wrote: »

dbit,

Welcome to the 40x10 evolution

It's probably not what we both had hoped for, I had a 18m/bit x 2m/bit line previously at work, but it's still a hell of a lot better than what we had before. Excellent pings and a much more useful connection altogether. Hopefully Eircom will release some faster profiles soon and hopefully exchange vectoring will also happen at some stage.

Well over a year after moving to macroom , and to have moved away from 240MB the pain and the endurance has been lived through . Next up Dbit moves to FTTH threads only :-). SIRO nom nom nom nom. The KN guy was optamistic about Eircoms Ftth plans , i couldnt keep a straight face when he went off telling me about the progress.

He did mention north side of cork city is pretty much ready to go fiber to the home , so im like dammit again !

griffzinho

Ok. So got fibre in today and disgusted with speeds. Download down from 17 meg to 14 meg and upload basically no increase at all. Sounds crazy to me.

Stats:

Upstream line rate (kbit/s):1023
Downstream line rate (kbit/s):12287
Maximum upstream rate (kbit/s):7312
Maximum downstream rate (kbit/s):35226
Upstream noise safety coefficient (dB):23.5
Downstream noise safety coefficient (dB):26.5
Upstream interleave depth:0
Downstream interleave depth:0
Line standard:VDSL
Upstream line attenuation (dB):53
Downstream line attenuation (dB):22.7
Upstream output power (dBmV):6.5
Downstream output power (dBmV):13.5
Downstream interleave depth:
None
DSL up time:
0 days 10 hours 34 minutes 23 seconds

Can anyone comment on these figures please?

Should I be getting more than I am currently getting?

Nonoperational

Yeah, bit of room to go up there.

Cork981

dbit wrote: »

He did mention north side of cork city is pretty much ready to go fiber to the home.....

Really ?
Now you've got me excited !

Did he give you any more information? What parts of the northside ?

Zith

griffzinho wrote: »

Upstream line attenuation (dB):53

Something strange going on there. Your downstream attenuation is less than half that figure (lower is better with attenuation).
Normally downstream attenuation is higher than upstream.

dbit

Cork981 wrote: »

Really ?
Now you've got me excited !

Did he give you any more information? What parts of the northside ?

Nope he just said all around the eircom building in the north side.

dbit

Zith wrote: »

Something strange going on there. Your downstream attenuation is less than half that figure (lower is better with attenuation).
Normally downstream attenuation is higher than upstream.

Plug everything out of the lines only run modem reboot check again if that attn is stil, that high then possible you have aline fault or noise induced by fault of some sort ?

Cork981

dbit wrote: »

Nope he just said all around the eircom building in the north side.

I'm about 1k away from the exchange so I'll hope for the best.

MiskyBoyy

My exchange went live yesterday but Vodafone not getting an engineer out to me 'till next Wednesday. I guess the Eircom customers get priority :P

ED E

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

My exchange went live yesterday but Vodafone not getting an engineer out to me 'till next Wednesday. I guess the Eircom customers get priority :P

Nope they don't. You're all eircom customers. The installers aren't twiddling their thumbs waiting for your order.