Eircom fibre for direct to exchange news?

Cheerful Spring

ED E wrote: »

ADSL(2+) is up to 6km. (e)VDSL2 is up to 2km(1500m). So you're at 16% range for the current system but 50% for the new one (which is weighted towards the short end). 200m is what we'd call close.

So my internet is actually poorer with Efibre? Thats crazy you think they place cabinets closer to people who have Eir broadband, then trying to have everyone connect to the exchange?

25meg is fine, just hope the upload speed and ping are not poor.

tvc15

Can anyone explain why my connection is so bad? I'm very near a cabinet that recently went live for eFibre which I waited so long for but my line wasn't eFibre enabled. Looks like I'm connected to the exchange over 3km away (as the crow flies) that exchange has eFibre and is one of the live FTTH exchanges. I can only get 1 Mb so anything would be better! Am I permanently screwed for broadband or have I any chance?

Exchange Code:  Unknown

DSL Enabled:  Yes - 3 MB

NGB Enabled:  Yes - 3 MB

Fibre Enabled: No

LLU Enabled: No

ED E

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

So my internet is actually poorer with Efibre? Thats crazy you think they place cabinets closer to people who have Eir broadband, then trying to have everyone connect to the exchange?

25meg is fine, just hope the upload speed and ping are not poor.

Its not poorer in your case, but it can be for some people (15Mb ADSL but 7Mb VDSL).

Upload will be significantly higher. You should go from 0.5Mb to 8Mb or 40x faster. Latency(pings) should be very consistent and usually quite low(depends where in the country you are).

tvc15 wrote: »

Can anyone explain why my connection is so bad? I'm very near a cabinet that recently went live for eFibre which I waited so long for but my line wasn't eFibre enabled. Looks like I'm connected to the exchange over 3km away (as the crow flies) that exchange has eFibre and is one of the live FTTH exchanges. I can only get 1 Mb so anything would be better! Am I permanently screwed for broadband or have I any chance?

Exchange Code:  Unknown

DSL Enabled:  Yes - 3 MB

NGB Enabled:  Yes - 3 MB

Fibre Enabled: No

LLU Enabled: No

Not everyone goes through their closest cab. If the blue lines run past your home then theres a chance youll get that by 2020.

tvc15

Not on one of the blue lines either, looks like I might be in a bit of a blind spot! So they don't ever move a connection to a cabinet from the exchange? I could almost run a wire myself I'm so close! Have you ever heard of someone paying to have their line moved?

ED E

That I know of to date OpenEir have done no "Network Rearrangement" as BT call it.

neacy69

How do i check my line and the cabinets nearest me? i know its posted somewhere already and i did search the thread

Cheerful Spring

ED E wrote: »

Its not poorer in your case, but it can be for some people (15Mb ADSL but 7Mb VDSL).

Upload will be significantly higher. You should go from 0.5Mb to 8Mb or 40x faster. Latency(pings) should be very consistent and usually quite low(depends where in the country you are).

Have you an idea why my internet is on 1km loop when i am just 450 metres from the exchange? Poorer was the wrong word to use. I just thought my line was closer to the exchange then that and my speeds would be faster.

Can i upgrade to ASDL2 while i wait or is that not feasible?

Happy with 8meg upload only got 312kb at the moment.

ED E

Most likely the cables don't run directly to the exchange.

lockup35

My exchange is due to be enabled in the next 2 weeks. From the line stats below, is 20-25Mbps a reasonable expectation?

Down Up
SN Margin (dB) 13.70 20.90
Line Attenuation (dB) 15.10 8.1
Output Power (0.1 dBm): 184 121
Attainable Rate (Kbps): 20,256 1,193

ItHurtsWhenIP

lockup35 wrote: »

My exchange is due to be enabled in the next 2 weeks. From the line stats below, is 20-25Mbps a reasonable expectation?

Down Up
SN Margin (dB) 13.70 20.90
Line Attenuation (dB) 15.10 8.1
Output Power (0.1 dBm): 184 121
Attainable Rate (Kbps): 20,256 1,193

It is - you might even get 30Mbps.

daraghwal

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Really so strange? How come i am able to get 6.2 meg on a 7 meg package then? (ASDL1 max is 7meg). I was thinking if my line was that long surely my speed would be lot less then 6 meg? I not an expert just trying to find answers.

The line length doesn't affect speed too badly for ADSL1 for a few km. I am 4km from the exchange and can get 5.4 meg download no problem. The max for anyone in my local exchange on ADSL is 6!

Hank Scorpio

Anyone know why evdsl cabs aren't vectored when they live. Does it take a while or are only certain exchanges vectored?

smiddyboy

I take it from my stats...

Current Rate(kbps) 15356
Max Rate(kbps) 22484
SNR Margin(dB) 9.3
Line Attenuation(dB) 18.5
Errors(pkts) 167

that the estimate of 15Mbps on efibre are correct? I would have been happy to have a speed anywhere in the 20's but to have the d/l speed of exactly the same as ADSL2 is a real gut punch!

ED E

smiddyboy wrote: »

I take it from my stats...

Current Rate(kbps) 15356
Max Rate(kbps) 22484
SNR Margin(dB) 9.3
Line Attenuation(dB) 18.5
Errors(pkts) 167

that the estimate of 15Mbps on efibre are correct? I would have been happy to have a speed anywhere in the 20's but to have the d/l speed of exactly the same as ADSL2 is a real gut punch!

You're in the gray zone where ADSL is the same or better.

bk

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Anyone know why evdsl cabs aren't vectored when they live. Does it take a while or are only certain exchanges vectored?

Vectoring causes interference to other operators service such as LLU, so typically it isn't enabled in exchanges.

It was a struggle for Eir to even get permission to do basic eVDSL due to interference issues. In the UK BT still haven't done eVDSL because of these issues, so we are actually lucky to have eVDSL here at all!

sennah

Has exchange-based vectoring been rolled out anywhere to date? There was mention quite some time back that it was in trial in a select few exchanges

I'm worried that the bean-counters at open eir will prioritise spending on their FTTH rollout and decide exchange vectoring doesn't need to happen

mass_debater

sennah wrote: »

Has exchange-based vectoring been rolled out anywhere to date? There was mention quite some time back that it was in trial in a select few exchanges

I'm worried that the bean-counters at open eir will prioritise spending on their FTTH rollout and decide exchange vectoring doesn't need to happen

The vectoring cards are in place, just not enabled

sennah

mass_debater wrote: »

The vectoring cards are in place, just not enabled

Regulatory delays??

loyatemu

I think it's in place in Greystones - my line was showing max 25Mb before, and 30Mb now. Some other numbers close to the exchange are showing speeds of above 70.

sennah

loyatemu wrote: »

I think it's in place in Greystones - my line was showing max 25Mb before, and 30Mb now. Some other numbers close to the exchange are showing speeds of above 70.

My own line shows a max-attainable well above 70 but the most I can order is 70. I do hope they proceed with exchange vectoring as the NBP has largely exempted areas in and around exchanges

Cheerful Spring

I will have efibre this Monday. Just got a call they be here between 1pm and 5pm on Monday to install it.

Cheerful Spring

mass_debater wrote: »

The vectoring cards are in place, just not enabled

Hope they do eventually get around to it. Its a pain downloading stuff. On my last connection it took almost 12 hours to download 30gb

noc1980

Anyone know roughly how long until a cabinet goes live after it's installed? One went in my estate a week ago but Eir's maps haven't updated it's status from 'planned'

daraghwal

noc1980 wrote: »

Anyone know roughly how long until a cabinet goes live after it's installed? One went in my estate a week ago but Eir's maps haven't updated it's status from 'planned'

There's really no way of knowing as there are so many different things that still might have to happen within the cabinet. It will be at the earliest August I'd say and will probably be more. The fact that it only says planned could suggest it could be an even longer wait. Maybe another few months onto August. Sorry there isn't better news for you

MackMack

noc1980 wrote: »

Anyone know roughly how long until a cabinet goes live after it's installed? One went in my estate a week ago but Eir's maps haven't updated it's status from 'planned'

Think I read over on the eir forum that they aim for 6-9 months to get a cabinet live after it gets installed. The cabinet went into my estate back in January and the efibre map still has it down as Autumn before going live so the 9 months is looking like the minimum at this stage.

kaizersoze

MackMack wrote: »

Think I read over on the eir forum that they aim for 6-9 months to get a cabinet live after it gets installed. The cabinet went into my estate back in January and the efibre map still has it down as Autumn before going live so the 9 months is looking like the minimum at this stage.

It varies from site to site and cab to cab.
My cab was live less than a month after it was installed. In contrast, the last cab to go live in my town was about 6 months ago. It was the first cab dropped about 2 years earlier.

Hibrasil

I upgraded to eVDSL about 3 months ago and have been receiving 18 Mbs download (up from a previous 12 Mbs Adsl).

When I ran my own phone and a neighbours phone through the Digiweb business line check I got the following:-

Exchange Code: Unknown

DSL Enabled: Yes - 12 MB

NGB Enabled: Yes - 12 MB

Fibre Enabled: Yes - 30 MB

LLU Enabled: No

Does this mean vectoring has actually been deployed.

Hibrasil

Hibrasil wrote: »

I upgraded to eVDSL about 3 months ago and have been receiving 18 Mbs download (up from a previous 12 Mbs Adsl).

When I ran my own phone and a neighbours phone through the Digiweb business line check I got the following:-

Exchange Code: Unknown

DSL Enabled: Yes - 12 MB

NGB Enabled: Yes - 12 MB

Fibre Enabled: Yes - 30 MB

Rang Vodafone technical support and instantaneously almost my profile is upped.

Ping 28ms Download 22.29Mbs Upload 4.79Mbs (compared to 32ms / 17.26Mbs / 4.33Mbs)

ED E

Hibrasil wrote: »

Rang Vodafone technical support and instantaneously almost my profile is upped.

Ping 28ms Download 22.29Mbs Upload 4.79Mbs (compared to 32ms / 17.26Mbs / 4.33Mbs)

That's rate adaptive so keep an eye that its stable.

Hibrasil

ED E wrote: »

That's rate adaptive so keep an eye that its stable.

Rate adaptive? I don't understand what that means (sorry). Its stable on any test so far! Online check shows max as 30 Mbs - is there room to squeeze it close to the 30Mbs do you think?. I'm connected to a cabinet (I think) rather than the exchange.
Thanks

ED E

Its probably set to 30Mb now but is going as fast as it can at ~22Mb. Thats great to eek the most speed out of the line but means a minimal safety barrier. Usually fine, but if you notice any brief disconnects you know where to look.

Cheerful Spring

Just got installed 10 minutes ago.



I got a ping of 15 a few times when i tested. Also 24mb and 7mb upload. But this speed is what i see most of the time when i test.

lockup35

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Just got installed 10 minutes ago.



I got a ping of 15 a few times when i tested. Also 24mb and 7mb upload. But this speed is what i see most of the time when i test.

What speed were you getting on your ADSL2 connection? I'm trying to work out if I would actually get a better speed as I'm a fair distance from the exchange.

ED E

lockup35 wrote: »

What speed were you getting on your ADSL2 connection? I'm trying to work out if I would actually get a better speed as I'm a fair distance from the exchange.

Find out your current downstream Attenuation. That gives us you path length and thus a clear answer as to which is better.

lockup35

My attenuation is 16.5 down. The Digiweb line checker is quoting 15Mbps for VDSL which is the same as my ADSL speed.

ED E

Probably not worth upgrading TBH. The prequal can be generous and that should really be a 17Mb ADSL line. If you have an afternoon to spare I'd look at how its currently wired up.

Cheerful Spring

lockup35 wrote: »

What speed were you getting on your ADSL2 connection? I'm trying to work out if I would actually get a better speed as I'm a fair distance from the exchange.

I was only on Adsl1 connection about 1km. I was getting 6.2mb download and 324 upload then.

My ping has actually got better now at 9, happy with that!

Shlippery

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

I was only on Adsl1 connection about 1km. I was getting 6.2mb download and 324 upload then.

My ping has actually got better now at 9, happy with that!

Sorry to piggy back onto this - but I'm getting similar speeds to what you mentioned and about 700m away from the green cabinet! (with Sky, but figure it's the same as Eircom if its same line?)

Did you upgrade to the "fibre" version of ADSL? Sky says we're only able for 17.5Mbps max on the line so don't advise it...

guil

Shlippery wrote: »

Sorry to piggy back onto this - but I'm getting similar speeds to what you mentioned and about 700m away from the green cabinet! (with Sky, but figure it's the same as Eircom if its same line?)

Did you upgrade to the "fibre" version of ADSL? Sky says we're only able for 17.5Mbps max on the line so don't advise it...

There's something wrong with line or you're not connected to the cab if 17mb is all you can get. Efibre as eir call it is a improvement of ADSL and is called VDSL.

ED E

Shlippery wrote: »

Sorry to piggy back onto this - but I'm getting similar speeds to what you mentioned and about 700m away from the green cabinet! (with Sky, but figure it's the same as Eircom if its same line?)

Did you upgrade to the "fibre" version of ADSL? Sky says we're only able for 17.5Mbps max on the line so don't advise it...

You're on ADSL. You dont connect to that cab.

If your VDSL("Fibre") prequal is for 18M it means your line bypasses that cab so you're only eligible to get it from the exchange itself/a further cab.

ItHurtsWhenIP

ED E wrote: »

You're on ADSL. You dont connect to that cab.

If your VDSL("Fibre") prequal is for 18M it means your line bypasses that cab so you're only eligible to get it from the exchange itself/a further cab.

@ED_E - is he on an LLU line? Speedtest says he's with BT Ireland. If so, won't that complicate matters from an eir fibre perspective?

Shlippery

I'm with Sky, on the regular ADSL connection, but line wasn't ever capable of anything strong. Sky have sent a ticket to Eir to investigate anyways, but curious to see if upgrading to the Sky Fibre offering, which I assume is the same as the eir Fibre (due to line rental / wholesale broadband agreement) would make any substantial difference.

From my understanding they just issue a different modem, and that the cables and socket in the wall are still the same, but maybe that's a question for a different thread.

Apologies for derailing things!

ED E

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

@ED_E - is he on an LLU line? Speedtest says he's with BT Ireland. If so, won't that complicate matters from an eir fibre perspective?

That just says he's a sky customer, not that he's LLU. If he's prequalling for VDSL then Id assume its not unbundled.

HoggyRS

Simple graph showing the distance to speed ratio for adsl, vdsl etc

ED E

HoggyRS wrote: »

Simple graph showing the distance to speed ratio for adsl, vdsl etc

Notably missing is the unvectored VDSL2 which applies here.

The Cush

A quick question the physical optic fibre cable, it was run or assumed to be, to our local exchange last spring with VDSL going live this autumn.

My brother was chatting with one of the eir lads a while ago, who said what was actually laid was the ducting for the optic fibre cable to be run later. The KN lads at the time had large reels of orange cable(?).

I picked up a piece of the orange cover which had been discarded at the time which had the following markings - - 160414 - = RADIUS - 3WAY 14/10MM - OPTIC FIBRE CABLE - EIRCOM 5008851 =..

Was it actual optical fibre or just ducting?

enfant terrible

ED E wrote: »

That just says he's a sky customer, not that he's LLU. If he's prequalling for VDSL then Id assume its not unbundled.

Ed,

Any idea why my downstream attenuation is so high compared to my upstream?

Line Attenuation:
Downstream: 30.5dB
Upstream: 19.5dB

Noise Margin
Downstream: 11.4dB
Upstream: 19.19dB

Thanks

ED E

Upstream doesnt mean much/anything from an enthusiast perspective. Just ignore it.

tsue921i8wljb3

The Cush wrote: »

A quick question the physical optic fibre cable, it was run or assumed to be, to our local exchange last spring with VDSL going live this autumn.

My brother was chatting with one of the eir lads a while ago, who said what was actually laid was the ducting for the optic fibre cable to be run later. The KN lads at the time had large reels of orange cable(?).

I picked up a piece of the orange cover which had been discarded at the time which had the following markings - - 160414 - = RADIUS - 3WAY 14/10MM - OPTIC FIBRE CABLE - EIRCOM 5008851 =..

Was it actual optical fibre or just ducting?

Sounds like ducting. The 14/10 MM is the outside/inside diameter.

enfant terrible

ED E wrote: »

Upstream doesnt mean much/anything from an enthusiast perspective. Just ignore it.

Thanks Ed,
This site says my VDSL2 max speed will be 15Mb, does that sound about right?