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Product Identity Query.

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  • 05-08-2014 7:11pm
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    Sir Arthur Daley
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    Im looking for some opinions on how a company can claim their product is from one country yet made in another?
    Let me explain, the head company is based in Italy and has distributors in various country's Ireland including. The head company use various production factories in various countries. One of their products are made in a factory in china and then shipped complete to Italy and thus onwards to various distributors.
    So the Irish distributor is claiming the product is Italian even though its all made, designed, engineered in china. Is this a false claim?
    Any input be appreciated thanks. :)


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    dudara
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    It may be made and assembled in China, but can you be sure that all design and final packaging happens in China?


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    Sir Arthur Daley
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    dudara wrote: »
    It may be made and assembled in China, but can you be sure that all design and final packaging happens in China?

    Im 100% sure its all China, the head company in Italy is only a sourcing store. The same company in China sells the same product with different badges to other companies too.


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    Del2005
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    Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »
    Im 100% sure its all China, the head company in Italy is only a sourcing store. The same company in China sells the same product with different badges to other companies too.

    By changing the badges in Italy they can claim it's Italian. By changing or processing an item in a 2nd country you can say it's from that country. Just look at the way food is treated to see how easy the country of origin can be hidden from products.

    Not fair to the end consumer but they aren't breaking any laws and nearly everyone is doing it.


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    Sir Arthur Daley
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    Del2005 wrote: »
    By changing the badges in Italy they can claim it's Italian. By changing or processing an item in a 2nd country you can say it's from that country. Just look at the way food is treated to see how easy the country of origin can be hidden from products.

    They are badged and all in China but maybe that little detail is irrelevant?


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    pablo128
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    I know of a car parts company called <insert reputable oriental country>parts, and some of their parts are stamped as being made in Hungary, etc.


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    Sir Arthur Daley
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    pablo128 wrote: »
    I know of a car parts company called <insert reputable oriental country>parts, and some of their parts are stamped as being made in Hungary, etc.

    Is the company declaring that they are manufactured else where though?


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    delahuntv
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    Is teh Irish company claiming it is Made in Italy or just that it is an Italian product.

    Jacobs fig rolls are an irish product, but they are made in the UK, same with fruitfield jams and many other products.

    Same way a Toyota is a japanese car, but its made in sunderland.

    So if the heritage is Italian and they are not saying "Made in Italy", then there is no issue.


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    Sir Arthur Daley
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    delahuntv wrote: »
    Is teh Irish company claiming it is Made in Italy or just that it is an Italian product.

    They are saying its made and designed in the Italian company. The same Irish company did big marketing to avoid buying Chinese versions of the product they are selling and are selling this product well on this claim. They are claiming the Chinese version of their product is dangerous. Is it fair to say now that their product is not Italian?
    I think its wrong and misguiding customers what they are doing but if its the way the system works then so be it i guess.


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    delahuntv
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    Are they saying these EXACT words "MADE IN ITALY"

    Or are they saying "Made and designed by Mafioso Industries (replace with company name), Italy"

    As per above

    "Toyota, Made by Toyota Industries Japan." Its not saying made in japan, but made by the company which is a japanese company.
    To be 100% customer friendly, it would say Made By Toyota Inddustries, Japan. Product made in England, but that is not required.


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    Sir Arthur Daley
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    delahuntv wrote: »
    Are they saying these EXACT words "MADE IN ITALY"

    Or are they saying "Made and designed by Mafioso Industries (replace with company name), Italy"

    They are saying made in Italy.


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    delahuntv
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    Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »
    They are saying made in Italy.

    unless value has been added in Italy, it can't say that. It is falely representing the product.

    example - Galway Crystal bought in blank wine glasses and machine cut them in Galway (very simple process) - thus adding value and able to say "Made in Galway"
    If they just sold the blank glasses, they would not be able to say Made in Ireland.


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    Sir Arthur Daley
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    delahuntv wrote: »
    unless value has been added in Italy, it can't say that. It is falely representing the product.

    example - Galway Crystal bought in blank wine glasses and machine cut them in Galway (very simple process) - thus adding value and able to say "Made in Galway"
    If they just sold the blank glasses, they would not be able to say Made in Ireland.

    I fully understand you and appreciate your knowledge and replies. Im going to email the Italian company and see what they have to say. Im not going to get too cought up on it but don't like seeing customers being misinformed either.


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