Letterkenny A&E flooded 2014

teotihuacan

wexie wrote: »

well....nothing if it's sitting still. If it has a decent operator to go with it you could use it to do all kinds of things, one of them would be to dig drainage gullies. Or redirect existing drainage gullies. Build dikes....

I'd have thought it would be quite a useful tool under the circumstances......that's if someone had used it

Sorry, should have made it clearer. This machine has been sitting idle all year, hasnt moved an inch. No operator. It seems to be there "just in case"....whatever that means?

Hilarious.

wexie

teotihuacan wrote: »

Sorry, should have made it clearer. This machine has been sitting idle all year, hasnt moved an inch. No operator. It seems to be there "just in case"....whatever that means?

Hilarious.

No I got it. I meant that it would have been a very useful tool to stop this from happening if someone had used it.

No excuse for something like this. The County Council are probably planning meetings on how they're going to stop this from happening next year.

I had a guy with a digger doing some work for me a while ago, it's astonishing what they can get done in a week. And then to think there are probably unemployed guys in Donegal right now that would have done it for the price of tay biscuits and daysul :mad:

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

fullstop wrote: »

It's not on a flood plain, it's on a hill.

Mint Sauce wrote: »

The Hospital is NOT on a flood plane. Its on the side of a stupidly steep hill beleive it or not. The problem is the NEW A&E was built in ground dug out on the side of the hill, underneath an old drain/stream, that Backwards Man referred to.

And why should Donegal not have a hospital. It may be the least densely populated counties, but its also one of the biggest with a crap infrastructure, with journey times of already of at least an hour from some parts to the hospital. With its A&E closed again, some people now have an up to 2 to 3 hour journey to the next nearest hospital, either in Derry, or Sligo.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

Are you suggesting there shouldn't be a hospital in County Donegal?

Letterkenny has a population of c. 20,000, and is at the centre of one of the most underserviced and remote regions in the country. Only right and proper that there's a hospital. Don't be daft.

I should have been clearer guys.

This A&E has been flooded twice in 2 years. It has been built in a part of the country with no shortage of land.

The A&E should have been built on land that isn't susceptible to flooding.

Mint Sauce

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I should have been clearer guys.

This A&E has been flooded twice in 2 years. It has been built in a part of the country with no shortage of land.

The A&E should have been built on land that isn't susceptible to flooding.

Letterkenny though is the most populated part of the county, it makes sense to have the General Hospital there.

If they were to build the A&E anywhere else, they would have had to build a whole new hospital as well. No point building an A&E with out wards and operating thretres, diaognostics, etc etc, within the same buildings grounds.

The ground its self was never previously susceptible to flooding, again, LGH is on the side of a hill. However, its design, has now created ground susceptible to flooding. Location was never an issue, its the flawed design thats the issue.

Mint Sauce

Overheal wrote: »

And clearly without doing a preliminary survey about the local environment for potential risks like flooding......

I think it was though, going by the Donegal Forum thread, I believe there would have been studies into 50/100 events. However, last years floods outweighed anything expected. Not that, thats an excuse, last year it seemed to be the badly maintained drain running at the back and above the A&E that caused the issue.

This flood though, is alledged to have came from runoff from a different direction, so who knows what studies/precautions were taken.

wexie

wexie wrote: »

No I got it. I meant that it would have been a very useful tool to stop this from happening if someone had used it.

No excuse for something like this. The County Council are probably planning meetings on how they're going to stop this from happening next year.

I had a guy with a digger doing some work for me a while ago, it's astonishing what they can get done in a week. And then to think there are probably unemployed guys in Donegal right now that would have done it for the price of tay biscuits and daysul :mad:

Those unemployed Donegal guys probably got stung on the building of the new A&E back in November 2010 when the main contractor, McNamara's went bust. Subbies showed up one morning to find they were locked out of the site, their tools and materials locked inside. No payments for work done and no tools to head to another job to make a few quid.

Eventually, the job went back out to tender. Forget what you were already owed.

Makes you wonder what may have been overlooked or discarded completely in order to get the place open.

michael999999

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Those unemployed Donegal guys probably got stung on the building of the new A&E back in November 2010 when the main contractor, McNamara's went bust. Subbies showed up one morning to find they were locked out of the site, their tools and materials locked inside. No payments for work done and no tools to head to another job to make a few quid.

Eventually, the job went back out to tender. Forget what you were already owed.

Makes you wonder what may have been overlooked or discarded completely in order to get the place open.

Ah that makes sense now, the main contractor was Bernard Mc namara. Close friend of bertie ahern and Fianna fail supporter!

shruikan2553

It is impressive how it floods so badly when its on top of a big enough hill.

Danger Mouse Ahead

Built in a hole in the boom years and flooded again, pathetic stuff, paying the owner of a mini digger this year to keep it on site in case it flooded again, pathetic stufff, loads of brown envelopes passed around

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SpaceTime

Someone needs to be held accountable for this. It's just a gross waste of tax payers and insurance money!

Why wasn't it fixed?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Letterkenny though is the most populated part of the county, it makes sense to have the General Hospital there.

If they were to build the A&E anywhere else, they would have had to build a whole new hospital as well. No point building an A&E with out wards and operating thretres, diaognostics, etc etc, within the same buildings grounds.

The ground its self was never previously susceptible to flooding, again, LGH is on the side of a hill. However, its design, has now created ground susceptible to flooding. Location was never an issue, its the flawed design thats the issue.

If we can't build a brand new A&E that doesn't get flooded every second year then we're doing something wrong. That‘s the only point I have made.

Mint Sauce

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

If we can't build a brand new A&E that doesn't get flooded every second year then we're doing something wrong. That‘s the only point I have made.

Not disagreeing with you on that point at all.

kneemos

Was the A+E attached to the hospital and if so where else would they have put it.

suicide_circus

You know in some countries, if you built a public medical facility in a hole causing it to flood frequently, you would be held criminally liable.

Vandango

teotihuacan wrote: »

For the last 13 months there has been a 20-ton digger sitting outside the new A&E department, at a cost of €500 a week (pure corruption) incase further flooding occurred.

Something tells me that the brother of the guy who built the hospital, probably owns the digger.

SpaceTime

Sure it wouldn't ever happen in the sun parched landscape of Donegal where it never rains.

petrolcan

shruikan2553 wrote: »

It is impressive how it floods so badly when its on top of a big enough hill.

Whilst it may be on the top of a big hill it is also at the bottom of an even bigger hill.

From the news reports the water came from a different direction from last year.

The amount of building that has gone on over the past 20 years up behind the hospital must have something to do with it too.

Harry Palmr

Didn't someone think to do a hydrology survey?

The Backwards Man

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Didn't someone think to do a hydrology survey?

Picture this.

A rolling hollow, two state of the art buildings nestled at the bottom of it, grass swaying in the summer breeze, two lovers out for a walk in the distance as the sun sets on the horizon.

Who gives a fcuk about practicalities when the artists impression looks so good?

retalivity

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Didn't someone think to do a hydrology survey?

A wha? Shur there would be no need for that when there's money to be made!

A lot of the Letterkenny/Donegal councillors are heavily involved in construction, some even owning their own companies. Which must be a bonus as they are also responsible for planning decisions...

Harry Palmr

A pity none have shares in a surveying company eh? Ballymagash strikes again.

donegal__road

here is a street view link showing the back of the A & E at Letterkenny when construction was almost complete.


There was a panic over the opening of the A & E because McNamara Construction had folded within weeks of the project being completed, and the gates to the site were locked one morning and no workers were allowed in... not that this had anything to do with why the building flooded, they were at the 2nd fixings stage when money ran out.

NIMAN

There's guys on the radio today trying to justify it by saying the water this time came from a different source!

No, the last water came from the sky too.

opiniated

NIMAN wrote: »

There's guys on the radio today trying to justify it by saying the water this time came from a different source!

No, the last water came from the sky too.

I believe it ran down from the main road.

You're right though, the rainwater fell from the sky - it just flowed into A&E in a different direction to the last time.

darkpagandeath

They know when building Defences against flooding "Water is a liquid" it will find a way around ? Did they spend 45 odd mill on defending where it came from last time ?