Howard Webb retires from refereeing

Lapin

Link. http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28678139


Response.

Kiith

I thought he was a great ref.

Mickeroo

Kiith wrote: »

I thought he was a great ref.

Agreed, Mike Dean is the one I'd be celebrating to see the back of.

LuckyLloyd

He was no Collina, I'll say that much.

keano_afc

Someone needs to tell him van Gaal already has an assistant.

bohsboy

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

He was no Collina, I'll say that much.

Collina was overrated.

Paully D

Mickeroo wrote: »

Agreed, Mike Dean is the one I'd be celebrating to see the back of.

Best referee in the league currently IMO.

He always looks to let the game flow and isn't afraid to make big decisions. Some referees avoid making any sort of big call, but Dean certainly doesn't and that's to be applauded IMO.

Arsenal rarely win when he's in charge so I can understand why you don't like him. The statistic is mental to be fair.

On another note, his reactions mid-game are hilarious. :pac:

b757

Cue the jokes about Howard Webb and Man Utd.

b757

b757 wrote: »

Cue the jokes about Howard Webb and Man Utd.

Mickeroo

Paully D wrote: »

Arsenal rarely win when he's in charge so I can understand why you don't like him. The statistic is mental to be fair.

Pretty much my whole argument against him right there :pac:

LuckyLloyd

bohsboy wrote: »

Collina was overrated.

lol

Skylinehead

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

He was no Collina, I'll say that much.

Could say that about every referee other than Collina. So good he even managed to be on the cover of one of the best football games of all time.

Ranchu

Terrible ref. This is a good article about him.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/10644977/The-stats-that-prove-Howard-Webb-bottles-big-decisions.html

RobertKK

As a United fan I can say what an awful day, we didn't think he would be on the list that would be leaving United.

Will I Amnt

Earned himself a reputation as a good referee in England because he often put his sizeable frame between opponents squaring up to each other. His actual decision making was dreadful at times.

With the World Cup on the horizon he was afraid of his life to make the wrong call and some of his decisions were bizarre to say the least. The 2010 World Cup final should have been enough for him not to get the call up again anyway.

Hilarious to see some Liverpool fans still buy into the favouritism towards United.

Glad he's gone, a few more should follow suit. The standard of refereeing is very poor in the Premier League.

thelad95

Kiith wrote: »

I thought he was a great ref.

Really? Would a great ref give a yellow card for this?

Augmerson

Paully D wrote: »

On another note, his reactions mid-game are hilarious. :pac:

WHAT. WHAT IS. THIS. THIS IS A HAND? *Whistles*

Paully D

Augmerson wrote: »

WHAT. WHAT IS. THIS. THIS IS A HAND? *Whistles*

I was talking about Mike Dean's reactions, not Howard Webb's. :pac:

blueser

Paully D wrote: »

Arsenal rarely win when he's in charge so I can understand why you don't like him. The statistic is mental to be fair.

11 out of 15, apparently;

Will I Amnt

blueser wrote: »

11 out of 15, apparently;

So United are only his 4th favourite team?

irishgoldberg

hes gonna spend more time with his family!

blueser

Will I Amnt wrote: »

So United are only his 4th favourite team?

Eh? Did you look at the table?

Will I Amnt

blueser wrote: »

Eh? Did you look at the table?

Yes. City, Arsenal and Norwich have a better PPG average than United.

BTW I was being facetious as that table means absolutely f*ck all.

Ardent

Will I Amnt wrote: »

The standard of refereeing is very poor in the Premier League.

You said it. So many games every season ruined by incompetents.

Adamocovic

Friend was complaining about Webb robbing his team so I looked at the last 10 games he's reffed for each of the top teams. More or less the same cards distributed. Not much difference. (Depends on the team really, how dirty they play)

*should have put in yellow cards to opposition but I'm falling asleep and forgot ha

Last 10 games he has reffed for:

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Yellow Cards Given To Team

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Red Cards Given To Team

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Red Cards Given To Opposition
Arsenal:

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20

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1

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1

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Chelsea:

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21

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0

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1

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Liverpool:

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17

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0

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0

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Man City:

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16

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0

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0

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Man United:

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18

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1

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0

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I think some people just remember bad calls given to their team and build their opinion around that one call. The whole United thing came from back in 2009 in the FA cup.

Honestly I think he was a good character to have. Going to be weird not seeing him ref. Most refs in premiership are on the same level. Not the best refs in the world and in most cases the decisions go in favour of the home side.

dfx-

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

He was no Collina, I'll say that much.

Not necessarily a bad thing

recylingbin

LVG must be gutted. 10 points a season down the tubes.

Oranage2

blueser wrote: »

11 out of 15, apparently;

He was talking about Mike Dean, can't remember our win percentage but It's shocking around 20% I think

Vicxas

Why has no one mentioned Phil Dowd?


Awful referee.

efb

blueser wrote: »

11 out of 15, apparently;

Why does that start in 2009???

That_Guy

efb wrote: »

Why does that start in 2009???

The question you should be asking is:

What type of person sits down to make this type of thing?

blueser

efb wrote: »

Why does that start in 2009???

Not got a clue. It wasa lifted off Sky Sports Twitter page (presumably on their site as well).

cournioni

A rerun of the United vs Liverpool match at Old Trafford from January 2013 was on MUTV last night with Webb refereeing. How any Liverpool fan can seriously say that he was biased towards United is beyond me. Based on that game, if anything he was extremely favourable towards Liverpool.

I didn't really see Webb any differently from any other referees. He was as inconsistent as the rest for sure.

Beefy78

Webb was a very good ref. He got a couple of calls massively wrong in the 2010 World Cup Final but that shouldn't overshadow his handling of games which got him that game, and so many other high profile matches over the years.

The Man United jokes are so tired.

He should have got the 2014 World Cup Final as well, IMO. The Brazil vs Chile game was probably the refereeing performance of the tournament despite a hostile crowd baying for every decision.

Iang87

cournioni wrote: »

A rerun of the United vs Liverpool match at Old Trafford from January 2013 was on MUTV last night with Webb refereeing. How any Liverpool fan can seriously say that he was biased towards United is beyond me. Based on that game, if anything he was extremely favourable towards Liverpool.

I didn't really see Webb any differently from any other referees. He was as inconsistent as the rest for sure.

I cant speak for all liverpool fans but I'd hazard a guess our opinion, mine certainly, is based on more than one game.

I'd also point out that basing an opinion on one game is idiotic

Will I Amnt

Iang87 wrote: »

I cant speak for all liverpool fans but I'd hazard a guess our opinion, mine certainly, is based on more than one game.

I'd also point out that basing an opinion on one game is idiotic

So do you genuinely think he favoured United? or didn't like Liverpool? Or both?

cournioni

Iang87 wrote: »

I cant speak for all liverpool fans but I'd hazard a guess our opinion, mine certainly, is based on more than one game.

I'd also point out that basing an opinion on one game is idiotic

My opinion is based on the fact that he never stood out to me as somebody even remotely biased towards United. In fact there are a number of high profile incidents involving Webb that went against United.

That game happened to be on last night and I found some of the decisions he gave against United to be shockingly poor. If Liverpool fans could back up some of their claims then maybe the non-Liverpool fans could take it at least a bit more seriously.

Utopia Parkway

I'm just glad he's gone. Awful ref that gave dubious decisions. Not that he was the only one.

SM01

He wasn't the worst referee by any means but prone to a few gaffs (like most refs) that, because he was a high-profile figure, tended to get scrutinised further. The 'United bias' thing was pretty silly (I'm a LFC supporter) and although the Babel twitter photo was an amusing episode, it made me cringe that fellow supporters would believe that a referee would have a conscious bias to a team.

I'd like to see more done to help referees get the big decisions right.

bucketybuck

The Howard Webb favoring United myth is just the perfect example of how many fans will actively and joyfully embrace complete ignorance.

Will I Amnt

cournioni wrote: »

If Liverpool fans could back up some of their claims then maybe the non-Liverpool fans could take it at least a bit more seriously.

He gave a penalty to United when a Liverpool player fouled a United player in the box. He also gave a red card to a Liverpool player when they recklessly tackled a United player.
I mean the absolute cheek of the man...

citytillidie

Only ref to send a player off for back chat in the FA's very short respect the ref campaign which happened to be a Liverpool player at Old Trafford

He was just a bad ref who made bizarre decisions at times

cournioni

citytillidie wrote: »

Only ref to send a player off for back chat in the FA's very short respect the ref campaign which happened to be a Liverpool player at Old Trafford

He was just a bad ref who made bizarre decisions at times

Was that not Steve Bennett that sent off Mascherano? You're mixing up haircuts I think.

In fairness, Mascherano was utterly stupid to persist with his "back chat" after the publicity surrounding the Ashley Cole incident at the time. I agree with you though, that respect campaign was a joke.

citytillidie

cournioni wrote: »

Was that not Steve Bennett that sent off Mascherano? You're mixing up haircuts I think.

In fairness, Mascherano was utterly stupid to persist with his "back chat" after the publicity surrounding the Ashley Cole incident at the time. I agree with you though, that respect campaign was a joke.

You maybe right they all mix into one as some times they are just all bad

Aenaes

citytillidie wrote: »

Only ref to send a player off for back chat in the FA's very short respect the ref campaign which happened to be a Liverpool player at Old Trafford

He was just a bad ref who made bizarre decisions at times

Players should be punished for back chat, harassing, insulting and trying to influence the referee. It might cut out all the bull**** playacting.

Kirby

citytillidie wrote: »

Only ref to send a player off for back chat in the FA's very short respect the ref campaign which happened to be a Liverpool player at Old Trafford

He was just a bad ref who made bizarre decisions at times

Glen Johnson effed and blinded at the ref during the United/Liverpool friendly the other day after the ref rightfully gave a foul against him. It was totally unwarranted and deserved a red card and a ban. The ref bottled it, as most do.

If more refs had the courage to send players off for swearing at them, the game would be the better for it.

Iang87

Will I Amnt wrote: »

So do you genuinely think he favoured United? or didn't like Liverpool? Or both?

honestly thought there was an element of both. I remember maybe a year ago Liverpool were playing united and the ref was announced and when webb was announced uniteds odds shortened to win the game.

In saying that I think its probably more a case of a dislike of liverpool than doing united favours.

My dislike the past year or two comes from Webbs simple refusal to make a decision in a match. Was it him in the liverpool arsenal cup game that didnt give a stonewall penalty which would have made the score 2-2

Kirby

Iang87 wrote: »

honestly thought there was an element of both. I remember maybe a year ago Liverpool were playing united and the ref was announced and when webb was announced uniteds odds shortened to win the game.

You know how bookies work, right? How they make their profits from moving the line? It works off the bets made.

The silly punters hear the Webb news, believe the ridiculous notion about him favouring United and put a load of bets on. Then, the odds shorten accordingly.

S. Goodspeed

citytillidie wrote: »

Only ref to send a player off for back chat in the FA's very short respect the ref campaign which happened to be a Liverpool player at Old Trafford

He was just a bad ref who made bizarre decisions at times

Or no decisions at all! Over the last couple of seasons he just seemed to ignore every potentially big / controversial decision.

As a Liverpool fan the game that sticks out in my mind is the Chelsea one in Stamford bridge last season (Etoo escaped a red card in the opening minutes and then a stone wall penalty towards the end).

I think he just lost his bottle though in general rather than 'favouring' one team over another

Iang87

Kirby wrote: »

You know how bookies work, right? How they make their profits from moving the line? It works off the bets made.

The silly punters hear the Webb news, believe the ridiculous notion about him favouring United and put a load of bets on. Then, the odds shorten accordingly.

I know how bookies work. These odds were cut befoe the money went on. I think you missed that part

gucci

Kirby wrote: »

If more refs had the courage to send players off for swearing at them, the game would be the better for it.

This, the problem would be eliminated / reduced over night if they done this. Worked for the tackle from behind, so why do FIFA/ FAs give the refs the respect the deserve / need and support them into doing something like this?

Am I missing something?