Off Topic Thread V2.0

TerrorFirmer

I sold my 1080Ti and 1080 for a good price and am content now to use my 980Ti until something that's actually good value comes along....not just the pre-mining craze 'good value' either, but REAL value.

The new generation of cards was over-priced before all this crap blew up.

Skerries

I want to upgrade my PC but feel that it is not the best time due to the GPU pricing and also I like to get a GPU at the start of its life so will wait for either Nvidia or AMD to tempt me with something powerful and affordable on their next iteration of cards

EoinHef

Im glad i bought a 1080 when i did. Although it was expensive its turned out to be worth it.

I couldnt replace it for similar money now.

Im upgrading CPU this year,cant wait any longer. Most likely be the 8700k.

Is there any info on a 9th gen from intel?

Wonder will its be an octo core/16 thread i7

K.O.Kiki

EoinHef wrote: »

Is there any info on a 9th gen from intel?

Wonder will its be an octo core/16 thread i7

You can bet your bottom dollar it'll require yet another new motherboard/chipset.

Redfox25

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

You can bet your bottom dollar it'll require yet another new motherboard/chipset.

And maybe special RAM too.

MiskyBoyy

EoinHef wrote:

Im glad i bought a 1080 when i did. Although it was expensive its turned out to be worth it.

Same, bought my 1080Ti for 700 right before the boom

Gumbi

twinsen wrote: »

300€ for 4790 seems bit steep, doesn't it?
My 6700k with mobo didnt sell fir 350€.

Maybe. Did yours sell with RAM though? My particular chip clocks really well and competes favourably with a 6700k, which is the reason I'm asking for a slight premium.

cherryghost

Shlippery wrote: »

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B077NM3CGQ/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza
^ What's the catch with this lads? Can't find anything on this - looks too good to be true.

1440p, Freesync, 27" - all mod cons.

Can someone ruin it for me?

There's a 144hz version called KG271U Abmiipx (I have the latter). Any other version (or without Abmiipx) is 60hz. It's very deceiving.

L

Skerries wrote: »

I want to upgrade my PC but feel that it is not the best time due to the GPU pricing and also I like to get a GPU at the start of its life so will wait for either Nvidia or AMD to tempt me with something powerful and affordable on their next iteration of cards

Same boat. I want to do a full system refresh at this point but not at current RAM and GPU prices.

Skerries

AMD launches a bare bones kit to get people set up

https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/26/amd-combat-crate-bundle-cpu-gpu-motherboard/

EoinHef

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

You can bet your bottom dollar it'll require yet another new motherboard/chipset.

Yeah id assume that givin intels history. Doesnt really affect me though.

Uograding from Ivy Bridge so id need a new board anyway and if i do go 8600k its plenty for what i need.

I ask because if we could expect 9th gen this year it might be prudent to wait,if not im gonna just go with the 8600k

wheresmahbombs

Redfox25 wrote: »

And maybe special RAM too.

thinks of the initial Pentium 4 chipset that required pricey RDRAM

K.O.Kiki

wheresmahbombs wrote: »

thinks of the initial Pentium 4 chipset that required pricey RDRAM

People complain about a memory cartel, yet never mention Rambus! :pac:

Venom

L wrote: »

Same boat. I want to do a full system refresh at this point but not at current RAM and GPU prices.

Pretty much in the same boat as well. I only need a CPU, mobo and ram but with ram prices costing almost a third of the price, it's a bitter pill to swallow.

EoinHef

Ive put it off for over a year and a half now waiting for prices to stabilise/drop which hasnt happened.

After a bit of reading tonight Ryzen 2 2700X looks like its a really good option givin AM4 is here to stay for awhile.

It was £329.99 earlier today on amazon which made it a good bit more than the 8600K which ruled it out,its now down to £289.99 so its back in the running

ED E

Almost there again :pac:

Solitaire wrote: »

But not to fear, for here it has been reborn! Dedicated to ED E for claiming the 10,000th post in the previous thread! murderer

L

We're only at about 91% of a thread rebirth

Xenoronin

880 posts to go.

Redfox25

We can do it
(879 to go)

SickBoy

Recommendations for a stop-gap GPU?
New or 2nd hand, I'm not pushed but I don't want to spend more than €250
I want play FarCry 5 @ 60fps 1080p

Xenoronin

SickBoy wrote: »

Recommendations for a stop-gap GPU?
New or 2nd hand, I'm not pushed but I don't want to spend more than €250
I want play FarCry 5 @ 60fps 1080p

You should be able to pick up a 1060 3gb at that price for new. The 1050 TI would also do the job, but you'll be dropping the graphics down to medium/high for a solid 60fps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C6ESI0dcuo

Lob around 10% off any of the 1060 6gb results to get the 3gb version result. Gameplay is at ultra settings in the video.

SickBoy

Xenoronin wrote: »

You should be able to pick up a 1060 3gb at that price for new. The 1050 TI would also do the job, but you'll be dropping the graphics down to medium/high for a solid 60fps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C6ESI0dcuo

Lob around 10% off any of the 1060 6gb results to get the 3gb version result.

Thanks for that, ideally I don't want to have to turn down the graphics too much.
Would I be able to get 60fps with a 6gb 1060 on high/highest settings at 1080p?

K.O.Kiki

Most Nvidia GPUs are available at MSRP in the UK

wotzgoingon

Intel not manufacturing high production 10nm until 2019. They must still be having issues.

I know all manufacturing is different and TSMC have started mass producing 7nm so is Intels 10nm better than 7nm? I know just by looking at the numbers 7 is better than 10 but that is not always the case depending on how they were produced.

Intel's next mass produced chip will be still be on 14nm.

https://overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/intel_s_10nm_will_not_ship_in_high_volumes_until_2019_-_whiskey_lake_is_coming_on_14nm/1

wheresmahbombs

We still have to take into account that the MSRPs are for the typically pricier Founder's Editions.

Gehad_JoyRider

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Intel not manufacturing high production 10nm until 2019. They must still be having issues.

I know all manufacturing is different and TSMC have started mass producing 7nm so is Intels 10nm better than 7nm? I know just by looking at the numbers 7 is better than 10 but that is not always the case depending on how they were produced.

Intel's next mass produced chip will be still be on 14nm.

https://overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/intel_s_10nm_will_not_ship_in_high_volumes_until_2019_-_whiskey_lake_is_coming_on_14nm/1

Was'nt there a report about how intel were having issues with, 7 and 10 nm months ago?

BloodBath

SickBoy wrote: »

Thanks for that, ideally I don't want to have to turn down the graphics too much.
Would I be able to get 60fps with a 6gb 1060 on high/highest settings at 1080p?

I'd go with the 6gb. 3 really doesn't cut it for a lot of newer games and it's only going to get worse. Texture detail is the main graphical setting that improves visuals and is completely dependent on graphics memory.

Pubg on medium textures uses over 3.5. Developers are pushing up to 8 now with widespread 8gb cards on the market and 16gb cards on the horizon.

TerrorFirmer

Guy on adverts selling an FX-9590 + GTX1070 PC....as if that weren't already a pretty bad combo, he's using a cheap air cooler for the FX-9590, that's gonna lead to a seriously bad time.

Gerrymandering reborn

Was using in Photoshop and got BSOD stating 'critical process died'

Was that due to out of date graphics driver?

Jacovs

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Guy on adverts selling an FX-9590 + GTX1070 PC....as if that weren't already a pretty bad combo, he's using a cheap air cooler for the FX-9590, that's gonna lead to a seriously bad time.

Makes me sad that I have been running a stock fx6300 and hd7970 since 2013 and never an issue with it. Still runs everything I need it to, including fallout 4 the last few weeks.

K.O.Kiki

Jacovs wrote: »

Makes me sad that I have been running a stock fx6300 and hd7970 since 2013 and never an issue with it. Still runs everything I need it to, including fallout 4 the last few weeks.

I'm guessing High settings instead of Ultra?

cos this guy has the same setup & only gets low-40s to high-50s

Jacovs

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

I'm guessing High settings instead of Ultra?

cos this guy has the same setup & only gets low-40s to high-50s

Must check the settings, but will assume nowhere near ultra. And get dips in framerate sometimes alright. But its fine for me and my purposes.
It wasnt even mid spec 5 years ago so for it to still be going strong, im happy with that.

TerrorFirmer

It really depends on the game and how it's coded. But the FX does horribly in quite a few CPU heavy games, in fact in Fallout 4 the 8-core FX-8350 is slower than a 4th gen dual core i3. Battlefield 1 online is another area where it does pretty dismally.

The FX-9 line were an actual abomination - monsterous 250w of power consumption, required a special motherboard and liquid cooling on top of the €350 price tag, and still traded blows with €100, 60w 4th gen i3 in games. (in fairness the FX always fared a lot better in producivity)

AMD put their money into cores>IPC in 2012, when core count meant essentially nothing....a risk that did not pay off at all over the years, even as cores started to become mildly important.

The same tech is used in the Xbox One X and PS4 PRO (at radically lower clockspeeds so you can see how they fall flat), and despite both consoles having impressive graphic capability, neither can run Fallout 4 beyond a locked 30fps (and it still dips something fierce regularly).

The funny thing is, a few times on Reddit I've pointed out that the reason some games on either console can't offer a 60fps 1080P option over 4K 30fps isn't because of graphics, it's because the CPU cannot attain 60fps regardless of graphics settings so they've no choice put to lean towards graphics fidelity at lower framerate.

Always seem to get heavily downvoted, for some obscure reason people don't seem to want to accept/know the truth.

I actually have both a PS4 PRo and an Xbox One X so I certainly have nothing against either, but it's a shame to see such brute power (especially in the Xbox One X) crippled by a crappy CPU.

Mickeroo

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

It really depends on the game and how it's coded. But the FX does horribly in quite a few CPU heavy games, in fact in Fallout 4 the 8-core FX-8350 is slower than a 4th gen dual core i3. Battlefield 1 online is another area where it does pretty dismally.

The FX-9 line were an actual abomination - monsterous 250w of power consumption, required a special motherboard and liquid cooling on top of the €350 price tag, and still traded blows with €100, 60w 4th gen i3 in games. (in fairness the FX always fared a lot better in producivity)

AMD put their money into cores>IPC in 2012, when core count meant essentially nothing....a risk that did not pay off at all over the years, even as cores started to become mildly important.

The same tech is used in the Xbox One X and PS4 PRO (at radically lower clockspeeds so you can see how they fall flat), and despite both consoles having impressive graphic capability, neither can run Fallout 4 beyond a locked 30fps (and it still dips something fierce regularly).

The funny thing is, a few times on Reddit I've pointed out that the reason some games on either console can't offer a 60fps 1080P option over 4K 30fps isn't because of graphics, it's because the CPU cannot attain 60fps regardless of graphics settings so they've no choice put to lean towards graphics fidelity at lower framerate.

Always seem to get heavily downvoted, for some obscure reason people don't seem to want to accept/know the truth.

I actually have both a PS4 PRo and an Xbox One X so I certainly have nothing against either, but it's a shame to see such brute power (especially in the Xbox One X) crippled by a crappy CPU.

The respective console subreddits are complete hive minds, objective truth doesn't tend to go down well unless it's the correct objective truth :pac:

Mind you the pc master race subreddit is just as bad.

cherryghost

Managed to some dirt cheap hardware from Maplin closures in UK, meant to post earlier:
GTX 1060 3GB 80 eur
i5 6400, asus z170, 4gb ddr4 70 eur

Got a cheapo case, 450w corsair psu and el cheapo SSD on amazon to complete. All in all pretty good performing PC for 240ish euro!

will56

cherryghost wrote: »

Managed to some dirt cheap hardware from Maplin closures in UK, meant to post earlier:
GTX 1060 3GB 80 eur
i5 6400, asus z170, 4gb ddr4 70 eur

Got a cheapo case, 450w corsair psu and el cheapo SSD on amazon to complete. All in all pretty good performing PC for 240ish euro!

Well done !
I've been stalking my local one and not a sniff of a bargain in it :mad:

Mickeroo

cherryghost wrote: »

Managed to some dirt cheap hardware from Maplin closures in UK, meant to post earlier:
GTX 1060 3GB 80 eur
i5 6400, asus z170, 4gb ddr4 70 eur

Got a cheapo case, 450w corsair psu and el cheapo SSD on amazon to complete. All in all pretty good performing PC for 240ish euro!

That's really good going for the money. Throw another stick of RAM in there and you got a stew going on.

TerrorFirmer

There were heavy discounts in the one near me as well but all that is left is a load of CPU coolers, PSU's, etc. All radically overpriced to begin with, so even at 50% off I'd still prefer to get them on Amazon and ahve proper support/warranty for a similar price.

Their prices were completely outrageous. Their focus seemed to be on low volume, high price sales rather than the other way around. Stuff like GTX1060 6GB for €600 when you could get it for €350 online. Advertising dual Core AMD A6 bundles with 4GB ram that would struggle with Minecraft as "extreme gaming bundle" for €400.

Always a shame when jobs are lost but no pity for the company.

will56

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

There were heavy discounts in the one near me as well but all that is left is a load of CPU coolers, PSU's, etc. All radically overpriced to begin with, so even at 50% off I'd still prefer to get them on Amazon and ahve proper support/warranty for a similar price.

Their prices were completely outrageous. Their focus seemed to be on low volume, high price sales rather than the other way around. Stuff like GTX1060 6GB for €600 when you could get it for €350 online. Advertising dual Core AMD A6 bundles with 4GB ram that would struggle with Minecraft as "extreme gaming bundle" for €400.

Always a shame when jobs are lost but no pity for the company.

Yup, its sad to see people losing their jobs but even with the discounts the stuff is way overpriced.

K.O.Kiki

The only time I got good service in the Dublin branch was the time I bought back a fan because it was a noisy POS.

I've been outright ignored at the till before, to the point I walked out of the shop rather than buy whatever I had in my basket.

AlmightyCushion

Checked the one in Parnell street a few weeks ago after hearing about their 60% off sale and any of the stuff that had a price on it was still a good bit cheaper online even after discount.

ancapailldorcha

The staff tend to be reasonably knowledgeable in my experience so I'm a bit sad about them closing. That said, their prices on PC parts were ludicrous though not as bad as their selection. You'd be much better off getting your motherboard, CPU & RAM from Amazon and assembling it yourself than buying their outdated offering for more money. It was absurd.

wheresmahbombs

cherryghost wrote: »

Managed to some dirt cheap hardware from Maplin closures in UK, meant to post earlier:
GTX 1060 3GB 80 eur
i5 6400, asus z170, 4gb ddr4 70 eur

Got a cheapo case, 450w corsair psu and el cheapo SSD on amazon to complete. All in all pretty good performing PC for 240ish euro!

That's what I call a steal. Even with just 4GB of RAM, it's hard not to call it a deal.

Skerries

Toms Hardware puts the 2700X as the best value for gaming CPU

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html

K.O.Kiki

Skerries wrote: »

Toms Hardware puts the 2700X as the best value for gaming CPU

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-cpus,3986.html

Jim'll be happy with that! :pac:

wotzgoingon

They are very decent chips though in all fairness you don't even have to overclock them to get the most out of them completely stock they are beasts.

Skerries

on the B350 mobos it says that it only supports 2667mhz and 2993mhz on the x470 but how come people are using 3200mhz memory on them?

wotzgoingon

Skerries wrote: »

on the B350 mobos it says that it only supports 2667mhz and 2993mhz on the x470 but how come people are using 3200mhz memory on them?

I could be wrong but they are the speed the chips are certified to run everything above that is overclocking. It's the same on Intel though they have better memory support since they are still using a really old architecture while Ryzen is a year old.

Doge

Speaking of Ryzen RAM speeds I finally got my RAM to run at full speed after almost a year since my build!

Motherboard - Asus Prime X370-A
CPU - AMD Ryzen 1600
RAM - Corsair Vengeance LPX - 2 x 8GB @ 3000mhz

I decided to update the BIOS firmware today and try using the DOHCP profile - no dice.

After updating the fimrware i got a warning I've never seen before, it said the RAM configuration had changed and was only showing 8GBs despite 2 x 8GBs installed.
It showed 8GBs in each RAM slot in the BIOS Settings, but the total amount of RAM only amounted to 8GB's instead of 16GB.

When I booted into windows the system properties it said 16GB RAM - 8GB Usable.

This prompted me to download the manual and check which DIMM slots the sticks should be in as I'm using dual channel 2 X 8GB.

And then I realized my mistake, I had the RAM sticks installed in DIMM slots A1 and B1, instead of A2 and B2!

Slotted them into A2 and B2, changed the profile to DOHCP, and 3000mhz instead of 2933mhz and boom the computer posted first time!


What puzzles me is how it only showed 8GBs though, maybe the firmware update no longer accepts dual channel memory in the wrong DIMM slots?

Its strange but I'm delighted to be finally running at full speed.

Now time to try some games for a stability test.

Inviere

Doge wrote: »

boom the computer posted first time!

Noice, well done. Just in time to upgrade to a 2700X too