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Mr Crispy

SickBoy wrote: »

On ASUS Strix x470
Find it great, got good reviews.
On par with the Crosshair VII Hero performance wise but less bells and whistles.

Cheers - the Strix was actually top of my watch-list! I'm looking for something stable and reliable that I can drop a new CPU into in a couple of years, but without having to spend top dollah on a flagship. What RAM and CPU are you running with it? And have you tried StoreMI?

SickBoy

Darch Nemesis wrote: »

Cheers - the Strix was actually top of my watch-list! I'm looking for something stable and reliable that I can drop a new CPU into in a couple of years, but without having to spend top dollah on a flagship. What RAM and CPU are you running with it? And have you tried StoreMI?

Proud to say I have a 2700x
Embarrassed to say 16gb 2x8 PC4-2400(I will rectify this blasphemy soon)
Haven't tried StoreMI yet, not 100% sold on it TBH.

Mr Crispy

SickBoy wrote: »

Proud to say I have a 2700x
Embarrassed to say 16gb 2x8 PC4-2400(I will rectify this blasphemy soon)
Haven't tried StoreMI yet, not 100% sold on it TBH.

Nice. 2700X is my plan too.

Yeah, I think I'd need to see more reviews on StoreMI, although Wendell on Level 1 Techs rated it highly.

Skerries

I have just pulled the trigger on the Gigabyte Aorus Ultra Gaming

actually I have a question about cooling
I have the Noctua NH-D14 but the CPU comes with a Wraith Prism cooler and I was just wondering how they would compare as I requested the free adapter kit from Noctua but that might not arrive for several weeks after I get the rest of the stuff?

K.O.Kiki

SickBoy wrote: »

Proud to say I have a 2700x
Embarrassed to say 16gb 2x8 PC4-2400(I will rectify this blasphemy soon)
Haven't tried StoreMI yet, not 100% sold on it TBH.

Darch Nemesis wrote: »

Nice. 2700X is my plan too.

Yeah, I think I'd need to see more reviews on StoreMI, although Wendell on Level 1 Techs rated it highly.

Skerries wrote: »

I have just pulled the trigger on the Gigabyte Aorus Ultra Gaming

actually I have a question about cooling
I have the Noctua NH-D14 but the CPU comes with a Wraith Prism cooler and I was just wondering how they would compare as I requested the free adapter kit from Noctua but that might not arrive for several weeks after I get the rest of the stuff?

Noctua will beat it handily in both noise & temps, simply by virtue of size.
Wraith Prism is decent though & should tide you over.

Solitaire

Mmm... porn...

BloodBath

Looks like a coffee machine.

K.O.Kiki

BloodBath wrote: »

Looks like a coffee machine.

I fail to see the problem.

Skerries

well he may be using a coffee lake proc but that's just taking it too far

K.O.Kiki

So remember a few months back, when I tried to watercool my 980 Ti & thought I'd bricked it?

I plugged it back in today, just in case.

It fúcking works again!

wotzgoingon

Result, electronics can be weird.

Lu Tze

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

So remember a few months back, when I tried to watercool my 980 Ti & thought I'd bricked it?

I plugged it back in today, just in case.

It fúcking works again!

I presume the scene was something not entirely unlike this
https://media.giphy.com/media/1SRaXI2J1o7vO/giphy.gif

Can't seem to insert gif on phone!

K.O.Kiki

... so the real question now is, should I try to water-cool it again?

AlmightyCushion

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

... so the real question now is, should I try to water-cool it again?

If at first you don't succeed, fail, fail again.

Redfox25

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

... so the real question now is, should I try to water-cool it again?

If it was me I would get the old air cooler back onto it and leave well enough alone.

K.O.Kiki

Redfox25 wrote: »

If it was me I would get the old air cooler back onto it and leave well enough alone.

The old (2.5 slot) Palit cooler is back; it's just that I have the 120mm AIO lying in a box & summer is coming...

Redfox25

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

The old (2.5 slot) Palit cooler is back; it's just that I have the 120mm AIO lying in a box & summer is coming...

Well, if its already there and "Winter" is coming, go for it.

It won't save you from the wights once they cross the wall though......

ancapailldorcha

Someone broke into my house last week. First time I'm glad that my PC is as big and cumbersome as it is. Thankfully my room was locked.

I have a fear of this happening to me.

BloodBath

Gotta love all the 980 ti's on adverts with asking prices in the €400-450 region. Do they not realise you can get new 1070's for €400 that are faster and have more memory while using a lot less power with a 2 to 5 year warranty? That the 1160 will be out in a couple of months that will also blaze the 980ti for around €250-300.

Seen a guy turn down an offer of €400 there. Greed is not good.

Squaredude

Think I found my next upgrade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX0wMcZO0-A

K.O.Kiki

Squaredude wrote: »

Think I found my next upgrade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX0wMcZO0-A

It's finally dawned on me why I like the design of that case so much.

It's very reminiscent of the Power Mac G5 / Intel Power Mac; cramming in lots of hardware but hiding the unsightly cable mess.

wheresmahbombs

Wow.
Intel and AMD have really exceeded our expectations of the HEDT space at Computex this year.

Intel's upping the core count to 28.
AMD's next-gen Threadripper will have up to 32 cores and 64 threads!

I was expecting a much lesser, incremental increase in core count.


On the GPU side of things, NVIDIA's CEO said that there won't be any next-gen GeForce GPUs for a long time. If a 'long time' isn't an overstatement, then it's a shame to say the least.

Mr Crispy

I'm still hopeful we'll see the new series of GPUs from Nvidia within 4 months. There are still a lot of 10 series cards in the retail channels apparently, which they won't shift if people think there are new cards just around the corner.

L

Darch Nemesis wrote: »

I'm still hopeful we'll see the new series of GPUs from Nvidia within 4 months. There are still a lot of 10 series cards in the retail channels apparently, which they won't shift if people think there are new cards just around the corner.

Rumour's been end of July/start of August. It's too damaging for Nvidia for their CEO to be lying about that though so I'd say 6 months on the inside.

That's enough time for them to have sold the majority of 10 series that gamers priced out by Etherium miners would buy, and about the shortest plausible "long time" to boot.

ED E

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/270841-intels-28-core-5ghz-monstrosity-isnt-exactly-a-standard-consumer-part

Intel playing seriously dodge doing that.

Mr Crispy

Glad they've been called out on it.

wotzgoingon

Threadripper 2 looks promising for those who need such a system. I myself have no need for such large core counts.

wheresmahbombs

As a person who will likely only need 6 cores at most, I am still happy to see such core counts on desktop CPUs.

Joshua J

Lads tried to start the pc today not a dickie bird. Assumed was psu couldn't do paper clip test as the corsair psu has all black cables. Bought new psu in Currys hooked everything up and nothing. Can only be a goosed mb now yeah?.

glynf

Joshua J wrote: »

Lads tried to start the pc today not a dickie bird. Assumed was psu couldn't do paper clip test as the corsair psu has all black cables. Bought new psu in Currys hooked everything up and nothing. Can only be a goosed mb now yeah?.

Not to state the obvious, did you check the mains? Any tripped mcbs or rcds?

Next thing I would try is removing the mobo from the case to rule out a short to the pc case, re-seat the CPU if you have spare paste, remove and reconnect all cables and try with one stick of RAM and on board graphics if you have.

Joshua J

glynf wrote: »

Not to state the obvious, did you check the mains? Any tripped mcbs or rcds?

Next thing I would try is removing the mobo from the case to rule out a short to the pc case, re-seat the CPU if you have spare paste, remove and reconnect all cables and try with one stick of RAM and on board graphics if you have.

Yeah mains/fuses ok. I'll give your other suggestions a try, thanks.

wotzgoingon

You should not have bought the PSU without testing your old one first. The two pins you short are the same on most Desktop PSU's. All you had to do is look at a pic and count which pins it is.

Joshua J

wotzgoingon wrote: »

You should not have bought the PSU without testing your old one first. The two pins you short are the same on most Desktop PSU's. All you had to do is look at a pic and count which pins it is.

Ya I thought the cat hair had finally overwhelmed it, but no I was mistaken. Pulled mb out the case and tried jumping it with only power connected, no dice. I've messaged Asus they do 3 year warranty only had it 2 years see what they'll do.

ancapailldorcha

Joshua J wrote: »

Ya I thought the cat hair had finally overwhelmed it, but no I was mistaken. Pulled mb out the case and tried jumping it with only power connected, no dice. I've messaged Asus they do 3 year warranty only had it 2 years see what they'll do.

I recall seeing a video years ago of an open pc with kittens running around inside it. I've tried finding it to no avail.

TerrorFirmer

Darch Nemesis wrote: »

I'm still hopeful we'll see the new series of GPUs from Nvidia within 4 months. There are still a lot of 10 series cards in the retail channels apparently, which they won't shift if people think there are new cards just around the corner.

I've been temporarily using an old GTX690 from 2012 since I sold my 1080Ti.

It's incredible how well it still holds up - in fact, the only thing that majorly holds it back is the 2GB vram per card.

Ultra 60fps is still no problem for the games I'm playing at the moment - Fallout 4, Overwatch, Battlefield 1.

Wish they'd future proofed it more and given it 4GB per card as that'd make it viable for another good while.

Amazing longevity though. 6 years later and still playing most modern games at 1080p high/ultra....six years after the GTX295 came out, new titles wouldn't even start up.

wheresmahbombs

I'm still using a GTX 750 Ti and a 1080p monitor. A 4-year-old lower-mid-range GPU is showing some struggle in games like Doom.

Doom's resolution scaling needs to be cranked back in order to reach a consistent 60fps, even on the lowest settings. Others like GTA V run silky smooth once some settings are turned back a notch or two.

2015 games seem to be the breaking point for the 750 Ti, with the likes of Witcher 3 and Rise of the Tomb Raider. At that point, the frame rate tends to suffer on a 750 Ti, without having settings cranked back. Many earlier games can consistently hit 60fps maxed out, however.

I'm somewhat tempted to get a GTX 1060 6GB, but who knows when NVIDIA's next generation will arrive?

BloodBath

It's supposed to be soon, around August. I'm itching for an upgrade. 1160 or 1170 depending on prices and specs.

Intel are entering the gaming gpu market as well in 2020.

https://wccftech.com/intel-official-discrete-gpu-market-2020/

wheresmahbombs

With Raja Koduri in Intel now, I suspect that Intel's foray into the discrete GPU market might be of similar quality to Vega.

BloodBath

The most interesting part is they will allegedly be using multi core module design like Ryzen cpu's. Multiple smaller gpu modules connected with some sort of interposer.

Amd were supposed to have had a big lead in this area with their own MCM design still some way off. Probably around late 2020 as well since Navi will not be using it.

Interesting times ahead. More competition should be good.

Cuddlesworth

wheresmahbombs wrote: »

With Raja Koduri in Intel now, I suspect that Intel's foray into the discrete GPU market might be of similar quality to Vega.

You know Vega and Polaris are amazing cards in their own right, they just don't excel at gaming.

BloodBath wrote: »

The most interesting part is they will allegedly be using multi core module design like Ryzen cpu's. Multiple smaller gpu modules connected with some sort of interposer.

Amd were supposed to have had a big lead in this area with their own MCM design still some way off. Probably around late 2020 as well since Navi will not be using it.

Interesting times ahead. More competition should be good.

Hardware wise, multi-gpu seems pretty easy for the two main Vendors to do.

The issue is that the main driver of GPU's is currently gaming. And games have longer and longer development cycles, falling further and further behind the hardware tech. Jesus, DX12 has been out for 2 years and the list of true properly implemented DX12 games is pretty much zero.

TerrorFirmer

What's really interesting and I didn't hear much talk about is the performance of the NUC's that have the Intel CPU with the integrated Vega graphics.

The benchmarks genuinely blew me away, seems to perform similar to something like GTX1050ti-GTX1060.

BloodBath

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

You know Vega and Polaris are amazing cards in their own right, they just don't excel at gaming.



Hardware wise, multi-gpu seems pretty easy for the two main Vendors to do.

The issue is that the main driver of GPU's is currently gaming. And games have longer and longer development cycles, falling further and further behind the hardware tech. Jesus, DX12 has been out for 2 years and the list of true properly implemented DX12 games is pretty much zero.

The tools for making games have got better and better. If anything it should reduce game development time. It's entirely dependent on the game size/quality and the team size/quality.

DX12 is just a buzz word. The current engines like UE4 are capable of scaling far beyond anything we see in current games even with DX11. We are still very much limited by hardware. Improving visuals is actually quite easy.

We're going to see a shift to ray traced lighting, reflections and shadows within the next few years. The engines are already capable of it. Most of the hardware however is not.

Here's an example of a real time rendered ray traced scene with ue4. The amazing part of this is it's actually less time consuming to achieve this higher quality as there is no need for traditional lightmass baking and all the tedium that comes with that. In terms of a complete game this alone could save thousands of hours of development time.

Cuddlesworth

BloodBath wrote: »

The tools for making games have got better and better. If anything it should reduce game development time. It's entirely dependent on the game size/quality and the team size/quality.

Not sure where you are going with this, of course games get better and better as hardware and software get better. But you must have noticed the progression curve has dropped significantly in the last few years.

BloodBath wrote: »

DX12 is just a buzz word. The current engines like UE4 are capable of scaling far beyond anything we see in current games even with DX11.

DX12 is a set of programming API's. Notably with DX12 is the low level API's giving game engines more direct access to the hardware and the ability to render effectively with multi-gpu without driver reliance. That's not a buzzword, its how gaming on Windows system works.

The timeline from game engine, to game usage for new API's is slow. Real damm slow.

BloodBath wrote: »

We are still very much limited by hardware. Improving visuals is actually quite easy.

Most things with computers are limited by hardware.

BloodBath wrote: »

We're going to see a shift to ray traced lighting, reflections and shadows within the next few years. The engines are already capable of it. Most of the hardware however is not.

Here's an example of a real time rendered ray traced scene with ue4. The amazing part of this is it's actually less time consuming to achieve this higher quality as there is no need for traditional lightmass baking and all the tedium that comes with that. In terms of a complete game this alone could save thousands of hours of development time.

Real time 3d ray tracing demos have been around for longer then I have had a computer.

BloodBath

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Not sure where you are going with this, of course games get better and better as hardware and software get better. But you must have noticed the progression curve has dropped significantly in the last few years.



DX12 is a set of programming API's. Notably with DX12 is the low level API's giving game engines more direct access to the hardware and the ability to render effectively with multi-gpu without driver reliance. That's not a buzzword, its how gaming on Windows system works.

The timeline from game engine, to game usage for new API's is slow. Real damm slow.



Most things with computers are limited by hardware.



Real time 3d ray tracing demos have been around for longer then I have had a computer.

Not sure if I misunderstood you but you said game development times are falling behind the tech which is simply not true. DX12 offers very little over DX11 which is why it hasn't seen large uptake.

Much like DX10 it will be skipped over by most as it doesn't offer much outside of some optimisations for large draw call scenes which are inconsistent at best. There are other easier ways of optimising this already.

Progression has slowed because of the consoles falling far behind the power of PC's and in general your average gaming PC is around or even below console level. Not many developers want to push the boundaries of high end hardware capabilities as it just does not make sense appeasing less than 1% of the market.

I know that ray tracing is nothing new. The point is that's on a current engine, running in real time on current hardware. Granted very high end quad gpu hardware but with optimisations that can run on a single 1080ti. We're 5 years tops away from being able to do something similar with mainstream hardware.

The push for higher resolutions and frame rates has also stalled graphical improvements as the majority of the gains we have had in the last 5+ years have gone towards powering that.

EoinHef

Going to make an order on amazon tonight and looking at motherboards. They dont seem to have stock of most AM4 X470 boards?
They are all on pre order as they havent been released according to amazon!

Thought they would be well in stock by now:(

Lu Tze

Right, threw up a 2GB 750ti on adverts, a single fan model but it's a large fan (100mm). What's a reasonable asking/acceptable offer?

TerrorFirmer

People seem happy to still pay €70 or so for them I think, even though a new GT1030 2GB (GDDR5 model) is almost identical with newer features/lower power, etc!

Lu Tze

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

People seem happy to still pay €70 or so for them I think, even though a new GT1030 2GB (GDDR5 model) is almost identical with newer features/lower power, etc!

Cheers, just checked out the prices for new GT1030s, they seem to be just under £70. I think ill update the add to €60

ED E

€450 Mobo: Crap preamp/DAC
€40 Keyboard: Less crap preamp/DAC
€9 USB SC: Brilliant

Note to self, less money = moar quality



Its no O2 stack but the FiiO Sabrent Combo is neat and very very effective.