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Skerries

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TerrorFirmer wrote: »

OCUK have a decent deal for £510 - 2700X, X370 K7, 8GB 3200mhz, 480GB SSD. Just bought one there. Cheaper than buying stuff seperately on Amazon and their service/delivery times are way better.

Usually an Intel man but I think AMD deserve some recognition, this will be my first AMD build since an FX-6300 which I ditched pretty soon after I got it.

Good deal - just be careful with that motherboard. Some of the bios versions had major voltage problems that fried CPUs.

I think you also qualify for a free copy of Farcry 5 btw with that.

Skerries

I applied for the Far Cry game but I am a week outside of the buying period but sure feck it

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Skerries wrote: »

I applied for the Far Cry game but I am a week outside of the buying period but sure feck it

How are you finding the board btw Skerries?

Skerries

yeah it does what it says on the tin
no problems putting it together so next thing to do is muck around with overclocking it

Redfox25

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

OCUK have a decent deal for £510 - 2700X, X370 K7, 8GB 3200mhz, 480GB SSD. Just bought one there. Cheaper than buying stuff seperately on Amazon and their service/delivery times are way better.

Usually an Intel man but I think AMD deserve some recognition, this will be my first AMD build since an FX-6300 which I ditched pretty soon after I got it.

Hi, sorry to ninja your post, but would that be much of an upgrade on a i5 4690k OC'd to 4.6, z97x board with 16g ram. Mainly for gaming, the likes of Wow, warframe and similar games. Paired with a vega 64 card at 1440p gaming.

Xenoronin

Redfox25 wrote: »

Hi, sorry to ninja your post, but would that be much of an upgrade on a i5 4690k OC'd to 4.6, z97x board with 16g ram. Mainly for gaming, the likes of Wow, warframe and similar games. Paired with a vega 64 card at 1440p gaming.

Not much if any. It is an excellent chip, but it cannot keep pace with a heavily overclocked intel chip in gaming through sheer single core performance. In multitasking/multithreaded tasks, it takes all the accolades. (this was written before looking at benchmarks)

Having a look at the closest benchmark (the review of your chip is too out of date for comparison it seems)
https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2110?vs=1544

Heavily cpu bound games like Civ and Rocket League, love more cores. Overall, it looks like I'm wrong in my original assertion, or so it seems. Remember this is a stock frequency test. Even with that, it seems like a decent upgrade to the 2700X.
However, you have the option to upgrade to an i7 4790K/4770K and suddenly that lead is... very little. https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2110?vs=1543 (again, closest comparison i could make)
It is a much cheaper upgrade path for you to just throw an i7 in there and overclock it.
If you really really like AMD though, it's a nice upgrade. To look at money, it's a ~300€ upgrade verses a ~600€ one.
The i5 4690K is worth 100-140€ on the secondhand market (at a glance)
A full motherboard set on the secondhand market, probably 300€.
Your chip might be worth more if 4.6GHz is considered hard to hit.

From all that, it's a 180€ vs 300€ upgrade
That's really not bad, especially since it includes an SSD on top of that.

TerrorFirmer

The 2700X is a huge upgrade in general but in games, it depends on the title in question - most games you wouldn't notice any difference unless you were playing on a 144hz monitor (epecially not when you have it OC'd as well), though there are a handful where an older i5 will drop/spike.

That said, I don't think any of that applies to games like WOW or Warframe at all. Plus as Xeno said above, you could just drop in a €170 i7-4770.

Ultimately I suppose like anything it just really depends on how disposable the cash is.

TerrorFirmer

Just on the topic of CPUs, I cannot how much 2nd hand prices have plummeted in the past 12 months. Just looking on adverts, in the past 2 weeks several i7-3770's have sold for €50-60! This time last year they were selling for €150.

I get that it's an older CPU now and limited to DDR3 but it still a great processor for gaming/general productivity....and gives a massive breath of life to older machines at little cost.

The last while I've seen i7-7700's go for €150....and just today there's an i5-8400 for €130 on adverts.

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TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Just on the topic of CPUs, I cannot how much 2nd hand prices have plummeted in the past 12 months. Just looking on adverts, in the past 2 weeks several i7-3770's have sold for €50-60! This time last year they were selling for €150.

Same timeframe as Ryzen I reckon. Less demand for the older chips when there's something new and exciting to buy up as well.

When I came back to seriously looking at component prices a year or so ago, I couldn't believe the prices I was seeing on older CPUs and GPUs. Things look a little healthier now.

K.O.Kiki

So looks like Intel is launching the 9000-series on Z370 motherboards, really soon (Q3 2018).

wotzgoingon

I wonder if someone could help me combine a slow dsl connection with my phones tethering wifi connection to my Xbox One?

I have it set up with steam and works perfect. I can download at twice my usual connection but I do not know how to make it work with the Xbox. The way I have it set up is I have a wired connection and then the phone tethering to my wifi adapter and then I have another ethernet cable plugged from computer into xbox.

I can only network share one connection at a time which is no good as it is then the same as if I connected directly to xbox with wired or wifi.

Also I have GTA V on PC through rockstar games(non steam) and I cannot combine speeds while downloading updates which is annoying.

So anyone any ideas on how to set it up with the Xbox? Cheers.

Squaredude

wotzgoingon wrote: »

I wonder if someone could help me combine a slow dsl connection with my phones tethering wifi connection to my Xbox One?

I have it set up with steam and works perfect. I can download at twice my usual connection but I do not know how to make it work with the Xbox. The way I have it set up is I have a wired connection and then the phone tethering to my wifi adapter and then I have another ethernet cable plugged from computer into xbox.

I can only network share one connection at a time which is no good as it is then the same as if I connected directly to xbox with wired or wifi.

Also I have GTA V on PC through rockstar games(non steam) and I cannot combine speeds while downloading updates which is annoying.

So anyone any ideas on how to set it up with the Xbox? Cheers.

Can you set your phone as a mobile hotspot and connect the xbox that way?

wotzgoingon

Squaredude wrote: »

Can you set your phone as a mobile hotspot and connect the xbox that way?

I'm trying to use both connections at the same time. The xbox will not let you do that. I have to combine on computer and then ethernet from computer to xbox but it is not working out for me.

ED E

Only multi threaded connections will use two connections at once (They aren't combined, just sitting side by side). Single threaded downloads will use one and one only.

wotzgoingon

ED E wrote: »

Only multi threaded connections will use two connections at once (They aren't combined, just sitting side by side). Single threaded downloads will use one and one only.

You have to hand it to steam they provide a great service. Allowing multi threaded connections and everything.

You should see how slow the store on the Xbox is but not only Xbox look at the windows store on PC really slow.

Steam is well optimized.

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wotzgoingon wrote: »

Steam is well optimized.

Parts of Steam are really well optimized. The client's UI isn't great but a lot of the harder technical elements are pretty strong.

Skerries

Skerries

..Brian..

Where are people buying parts these days? Need some coolant, a thumbscrew, couple of braided cables, couple of led strips etc

Amazon.

will56

..Brian.. wrote: »

Where are people buying parts these days? Need some coolant, a thumbscrew, couple of braided cables, couple of led strips etc

Scan aren't too bad if you're getting a few bits at the same time

yoshiktk

Is it time for christmas already?

Squaredude

yoshiktk wrote: »

Is it time for christmas already?

That loop looks like it has never been cleaned, you can see the build up in the very secure looking tube coming from the cpu. How has this thing not leaked?!
Edit: I just noticed that the radiator is cable tied to the psu

yoshiktk

Squaredude wrote: »

That loop looks like it has never been cleaned, you can see the build up in the very secure looking tube coming from the cpu. How has this thing not leaked?!
Edit: I just noticed that the radiator is cable tied to the psu

Who needs fan on radiator when You can use one on psu...
I find it when looking for price of I5 2500k.

TerrorFirmer

Absolute state of that. I'd say it'd nearly overheat browsing the web.

Skerries

so that's where ORAC from Blake's 7 went

yoshiktk

I5-8400 vs Ryzen 5 2600 with GTX1060/RX580

Blazer

parts will very expensive shortly with the US and China trade war. New tax of 25% on a lot of PC parts coming on Aug 23.
Lets hope a lot of companies bypass the US and ship from Taiwan etc direct to EU.


https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/pc-hardware-to-get-extra-25-tax-due-to-us-china-trade-war.html

twinsen

Blazer wrote: »

parts will very expensive shortly with the US and China trade war. New tax of 25% on a lot of PC parts coming on Aug 23.
Lets hope a lot of companies bypass the US and ship from Taiwan etc direct to EU.


https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/pc-hardware-to-get-extra-25-tax-due-to-us-china-trade-war.html

That’s US, not here

TerrorFirmer

Vega 64 has finally dropped below price of GTX1080 on OCUK. And now comes with 3 free new games - Strange Brigade, Star control Origins and Assassins Creed Odyssey. I picked one up last night, came to around €520 delivered, considering the free games that's pretty great value.

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twinsen wrote: »

That’s US, not here

It's not that simple.

Most electronics are manufactured/assembled in multiple stages and are the result of worldwide supply chains. Anywhere the supply chain involves a step going from China to the US, the end product will go up in cost a bit worldwide.

That said, I'm not convinced PC parts will be hit hard by this. AMD doesn't own fabs these days so should be able to change its supply chain handily enough, Intel only has one fab in China, and both ram and Nvidia's GPUs are mostly made in Taiwan not China.

kevovek

That's very tempting! I was going to wait till the new cards were released but I may think about getting the Vega64 now.

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kevovek wrote: »

That's very tempting! I was going to wait till the new cards were released but I may think about getting the Vega64 now.

The promotion for the three games runs until the start of November and none of the games are out yet so I'd hold fire myself until we see what Nvidia's new card line up looks like. You could see the launch/maybe even reviews and still get a Vega 64 before the first of these games hits release.

It's not a bad deal, but it does seem a lot like AMD trying to clear some flagship stock ahead of it falling a generation behind.

It's also worth considering how much three preorders are worth to you, assuming you wouldn't normally preorder those games. It's probably not their face value (€140).

Assassin's Creed: Odyssey: €60
Star Control: Origins: €35
Strange Brigade: €45

Redfox25

Ive had the vega 64 for months now and am very happy with it. Just change the fan profile a bit and your sorted

Cuddlesworth

L wrote: »

It's not a bad deal, but it does seem a lot like AMD trying to clear some flagship stock ahead of it falling a generation behind

In terms of "clearing stock", I doubt it. The card is a mining powerhouse with stupid low production and as a result of that, it was the last to meet demand.

I think it sitting between the 1070 and 1080 price wise is exactly where it should be in the gaming market.

If you have freesync and a older card, its a pretty good buy now.

Vega 56 with a bios update is a way better buy.

L

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

In terms of "clearing stock", I doubt it. The card is a mining powerhouse with stupid low production and as a result of that, it was the last to meet demand.

Mining demand slumped hard around April. Best estimates (based on AMD partners reporting earnings) are Q2 Vega 64 demand being down about 60% on Q1. That, €140 of free game preorders thrown in, and the timing of the offer with respect to Nvidia, does make it look like they've more stock held than they ideally want to have.

TerrorFirmer

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Vega 56 with a bios update is a way better buy.

Vega 64 is generally better than GTX1080, but Vega 56 is actually more expensive at the moment.

savemejebus

A blast from the distant past, what a bit over 1k (punt) would get you in 1998

TerrorFirmer

My first proper PC was a Gateway, a Pentium I. Fond memories.

Inviere

Mine was a Compaq Presario something something. Fairly sure it had an Athlon processor of some description, 450 Mhz or so. I remember sticking in a Voodoo 3 2000 and my jaw hitting the floor looking at Half Life going from software rendering to hardware

Venom

My first PC was an Intel 486 DX2 66 from 1992 :cool:

savemejebus

First was a 2nd hand 386 that I bought with monitor for 200 quid from some guy advertised at Uni in '97. Was so fleeced on that looking back.

jonski

2nd hand 286 bought from a company my sister worked for when they went bust .I had a mate working in a PC company and I think I remember him upgrading it to a 386 or 486 ( my memory is more than a bit fuzzy on this but I think that was possible back then ). Also I remember afterwards a few of us in my friends kitchen laughing at him when he spent a fortune on a 1TB hard drive asking him why he would buy something that he could never hope to fill .

BloodBath

That games bundle is a bargain with a 570. You can pick 1 up for around €200.

Are mindfactory doing free deliveries now or is that only to the UK?

ED E

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

My first proper PC was a Gateway, a Pentium I. Fond memories.

Will never forget the days when pairs of large cowprint boxes arrived at the house. Was always a good day.

Mr Crispy

I see boutique case manufacturers CaseLabs have gone under;

We are very sad to announce that CaseLabs and its parent company will be closing permanently. We have been forced into bankruptcy and liquidation. The tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80% (partly due to associated shortages), which cut deeply into our margins. The default of a large account added greatly to the problem. It hit us at the worst possible time. We reached out for a possible deal that would allow us to continue on and persevere through these difficult times, but in the end, it didn’t happen.

We are doing our best to ship as many orders as we can, but we won’t be able to ship them all. Parts orders should all ship, but we won’t be able to fulfill the full backlog of case orders. We are so incredibly sorry this is happening. Our user community has been very devoted to us and it’s awful to think that we have let any of you down. There are over 20,000 of you out there and we are very grateful for all the support we have received over the years. It was a great journey that we took together and we’re thankful that we got that chance.

We understand that there will likely be a great deal of understandable anger over this and we sincerely apologize. We looked at every option we had. This is certainly not what we envisioned. Some things were just out of our control. We thought we had a way to move forward, but it failed and we disabled the website from taking any more orders.

It was a privilege to serve you and we are so very sorry things turned out this way.

z0oT

The 32core/64thread Threadripper reviews are to be out on Monday, will make for interesting reading then.
https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_2nd_gen_ryzen_threadripper_2990wx_and_2950x_preview/1

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

My first proper PC was a Gateway, a Pentium I. Fond memories.

ED E wrote: »

Will never forget the days when pairs of large cowprint boxes arrived at the house. Was always a good day.

My first was a Gateway 2000, it had a 100MHz Pentium if I remember correctly. I remember playing Populous: The Beginning on it lots, and the requirement being a 133MHz Pentium.

Darch Nemesis wrote: »

I see boutique case manufacturers CaseLabs have gone under;

Not suprising given the reason, Trump's tarrifs were always going to hurt US companies.

I wonder are others like Corsair or Cooler Master suffering as a result.

L

Gateway 2000 with a Pentium 166Mhz was my first.

I remember FF VII being my first experience with upgrades being needed to run a game. It had this crazy unreasonable requirement for a video card.

ninja 12

savemejebus wrote: »

A blast from the distant past, what a bit over 1k (punt) would get you in 1998

First real computer for me ( after the C64 ) was a Dell ~Dimension V 400 (400Mhz) with Win 98 .


Cost me about £1400 with monitor , printer and Harmon Kardon speakers :eek: around 1998/99