The largest ethnic cleansing in 60+ years in taking place today in Iraq

Iwasfrozen

bumper234 wrote: »

Criticising a whole religion because of a few fanatics :rolleyes:

Islam is one of the realist religions out there. One indivisible incomprehensible god makes more sense than the Christian concept of a trinity.

Nodin

I Heart Internet wrote: »

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What can/should Ireland do about it?

Send aid, take in refugees.

TwoShedsJackson

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Islam is one of the realist religions out there. One indivisible incomprehensible god makes more sense than the Christian concept of a trinity.

No it doesn't.

Larbre34

Keep Calm and Nuke 'Em All.

RustyNut

I Heart Internet wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-takes-iraqs-largest-christian-town-of-qaraqosh-9653789.html

Even these primitive,murderous,savages give the innocents a chance to leave ?

Awkward Badger

I Heart Internet wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0807/635631-islamic-state/

France wants a meeting of the UN Security Council to discuss.

France seems to be the most vocal advocate for the persecuted in Northern Iraq so far - I guess due to long links in the region.

UN security council already issued statements about ISIS though haven't they ? Condemning what they were doing and saying they will be held accountable for war crimes.

Edit: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Aug-06/266232-un-condemns-isis-attacks-on-iraqs-yazidi-minority.ashx#axzz39iM2ka2Z

ScumLord

I don't know, the UN and NATO seem to be all bark and no bite. At any rate, if NATO stepped in the locals might just see it as another invasion by the white west trying to take their culture off them. It's hard to know how they'd take it after so much violence, maybe they're desperate for any help.

Maybe they need to back a local and let him at it, even if he's not the nicest guy in the world at least if the region has stability they might be able to work from there. I don't think forcing democracy down their throats seems to be working.

Phonehead

porsche959 wrote: »

But the other thread is being hi-jacked by fanatics, professional ranters and internet bullies. Which is why many stay clear of it, understandably.



Agree here.

Wow... and that wasn't a rant or attempted internet bullying....

Hoop66

Xios wrote: »

...the region has been unstable since the foundation of Iran, Syria and Iraq...

Iraq & Syria maybe, but Iran (or Persia) has been there for thousands of years. Iranian people do not take kindly to being lumped in with arabs.

Playboy

Why doesn't the shining beacon of democracy and justice in the region get involved? I'm sure the Israeli's would give ISIS a run for their money!

bumper234

Playboy wrote: »

Why doesn't the shining beacon of democracy and justice in the region get involved? I'm sure the Israeli's would give ISIS a run for their money!

Because if they defeat them then they would want the land for themselves, spoils of war and all that.

mad muffin

Playboy wrote: »

Why doesn't the shining beacon of democracy and justice in the region get involved? I'm sure the Israeli's would give ISIS a run for their money!

bumper234 wrote: »

Because if they defeat them then they would want the land for themselves, spoils of war and all that.

There's already a thread, hell last count 5 threads dedicated to that kind of shît. Let's not make another one... Ok?

Phonehead

Well the US and Britain have certainly created a fine mess, Hopefully the central Government will ally with the Kurds and stop ISIS in their tracks.

ScumLord

Phonehead wrote: »

Well the US and Britain have certainly created a fine mess, Hopefully the central Government will ally with the Kurds and stop ISIS in their tracks.

I think they created the mess a long time ago and just like to stir the pot every few decades.

Cantremember

It's of no relevance to Ireland. The usual suspects will demand we take an influx of refugees. We probably will. The Mid East is stuck somewhere between the 10 the and the 16 th century. Let them sort it out themselves. The US tried to impose a western type of govt and see how that ended.

fleet_admiral

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Islamic terrorists are rampaging through northern Iraq expelling, under threat of death, Christians who have been living there for nearly 2,000 years and Yazidis who have been there for perhaps 4,000 years!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28686998




http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/almost-200-000-flee-iraqi-town-captured-by-islamic-state-1.1890132



What can/should Ireland do about it?

Nothing. We have our own problems to deal with

I Heart Internet

Cantremember wrote: »

It's of no relevance to Ireland. The usual suspects will demand we take an influx of refugees. We probably will.

Providing refuge to persecuted people is a good thing. You don't seem convinced though?

I think the problem would be better solved in-situ though.

Cantremember

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Providing refuge to persecuted people is a good thing. You don't seem convinced though?

I think the problem would be better solved in-situ though.

It needs to be contextualised: our unemployment rate, emigration of our own 20s generation, national debt, being screwed over by EU on retrospective bank bailout, enabling ethnic cleansing by accepting displaced persons etc. it serves no useful purpose to Irish society.

crockholm

I was at a demonstration last saturday held by assyrians and chaldeans raising awareness about their bretherns unfolding horrible fate,the motif of the day was (I Believe)the arabic letter "N" which is assigned to them identifying them as christians (nasrani/nazerene) in ISIS controlled tertitories-history repeating itself.

Very few White faces at the event,didn't see anyone recognizibly muslim there either,the people who care about things from those 2 communities seemed to be pre-occupied with the Pride parade and the gaza demos respictively that day. I Believe that such apathy to their cause will see them all driven from their ancestral homelands in my lifetime,unfortunately.

Arthur Beesley

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Islamic terrorists are rampaging through northern Iraq expelling, under threat of death, Christians who have been living there for nearly 2,000 years and Yazidis who have been there for perhaps 4,000 years!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28686998




http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/almost-200-000-flee-iraqi-town-captured-by-islamic-state-1.1890132



What can/should Ireland do about it?

Boycott them?

Peist2007

I Heart Internet wrote: »

What can/should Ireland do about it?

If there was a "brush it under the carpet" option we'd take that. As there isnt, we should stay well out of it.

LorMal

h2005 wrote: »

The average Iraqi must be delighted that the US freed them from tyranny.

Okay, fair point, but...why not lets blame the f@@kers who are actually doing this.
It's always blame the Americans...

LorMal

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Islam is one of the realist religions out there. One indivisible incomprehensible god makes more sense than the Christian concept of a trinity.

Oh Dear...your ghost is better than my ghost....

mad muffin

Is it time for a crusade? Who's with me? :pac:

bnt

I Heart Internet wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-takes-iraqs-largest-christian-town-of-qaraqosh-9653789.html

In an offensive that has seen Isis strengthen their foothold near the Kurdish region, residents of Qaraqosh, Iraq's biggest Christian town, are now threatened with the demands the Sunni militants have made in other captured areas - leave, convert to Islam or face death.

But ... but ... doesn't the Qu'ran state that there is no compulsion in religion? What could be going on, then? One answer lies in further reading of that bit. It turns out that the real meaning of "no compulsion in religion" goes something like this: "Islam is clearly & obviously the only correct religion, and if you don't get this you're an imbecile and your opinion doesn't matter, so we can do whatever we like with you". :mad:

Iwasfrozen

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Providing refuge to persecuted people is a good thing. You don't seem convinced though?

I think the problem would be better solved in-situ though.

There are safe countries that will provide them refuge closer to home. Why come here?

Frank Lee Midere

Cantremember wrote: »

It's of no relevance to Ireland. The usual suspects will demand we take an influx of refugees. We probably will. The Mid East is stuck somewhere between the 10 the and the 16 th century. Let them sort it out themselves. The US tried to impose a western type of govt and see how that ended.

Iraqi Christians would integrate in a second.

Frank Lee Midere

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't know, the UN and NATO seem to be all bark and no bite. At any rate, if NATO stepped in the locals might just see it as another invasion by the white west trying to take their culture off them. It's hard to know how they'd take it after so much violence, maybe they're desperate for any help.

Maybe they need to back a local and let him at it, even if he's not the nicest guy in the world at least if the region has stability they might be able to work from there. I don't think forcing democracy down their throats seems to be working.

The reason the biggest ethnic cleansing in recent history is happening is because of the US - not the West invading. Plenty of people argued that this was going to happen at the time.

end of the road

mad muffin wrote: »

There's already a thread, hell last count 5 threads dedicated to that kind of shît. Let's not make another one... Ok?

yet you were happy to post easily debunkable nonsense in those threads, truth hurts

Rightwing

next thing is these thugs will smash into israel

end of the road

Cantremember wrote: »

It's of no relevance to Ireland.

so what? we can discuss it if we want, if you believe its of no relevance to ireland then why post?

Cantremember wrote: »

The usual suspects will demand we take an influx of refugees.

who are the "usual suspects" and so what if people believe we should take in people and help people who are in such a bad situation, after all many countries have taken us in and still do.

Cantremember wrote: »

We probably will.

good.

Cantremember wrote: »

The Mid East is stuck somewhere between the 10 the and the 16 th century.

so were we up until at least 24/34 years ago

Cantremember wrote: »

Let them sort it out themselves.

thats what may have to happen

Cantremember wrote: »

The US tried to impose a western type of govt and see how that ended.

badly, i agree with that, but it is about time western countries stopped being hypocritical and condemn all terrorism rather then those who aren't friends of the west, while leaving friends of the west behave with impunity like israel for example

mad muffin

end of the road wrote: »

yet you were happy to post easily debunkable nonsense in those threads, truth hurts

Right in the feels

Rightwing wrote: »

next thing is these thugs will smash into israel

That would be some battle royale

end of the road

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Nothing. We have our own problems to deal with

yes, like how many cans are in the fridge, get a grip, our problems are trivial compared to these people

Tail Docker

Things are going so well since that baddie Saddam got his come-uppence. I'd say he's having a giggle in his grave. Luckily, Libya is faring much better...no, wait....

Rightwing

mad muffin wrote: »

Right in the feels



That would be some battle royale

Probably the only time ever I'd be for Israel in something.

end of the road

Cantremember wrote: »

It needs to be contextualised: our unemployment rate, emigration of our own 20s generation, national debt, being screwed over by EU on retrospective bank bailout, enabling ethnic cleansing by accepting displaced persons etc. it serves no useful purpose to Irish society.

it doesn't have to, not everything has to have a purpose to society, those who are leaving will leave anyway, thats just how it is sadly

end of the road

bnt wrote: »

But ... but ... doesn't the Qu'ran state that there is no compulsion in religion? What could be going on, then? One answer lies in further reading of that bit. It turns out that the real meaning of "no compulsion in religion" goes something like this: "Islam is clearly & obviously the only correct religion, and if you don't get this you're an imbecile and your opinion doesn't matter, so we can do whatever we like with you". :mad:

all religions are like that if you dig down hard enough

mad muffin

Rightwing wrote: »

Probably the only time ever I'd be for Israel in something.

Ha.

There's a bit of Israel all around you. That messaging app you like to use. That computer you are on. That wifi you enjoy. That smartphone that you use. :pac:

Killer Wench

According to the HP and NYT, our military has already started to bomb ISIS.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Rightwing

mad muffin wrote: »

Ha.

There's a bit of Israel all around you. That messaging app you like to use. That computer you are on. That wifi you enjoy. That smartphone that you use. :pac:

That's all American stuff, where it's made is irrelevant.

carpejugulum

Glock Lesnar wrote: »

I am Irish and therefore the only thing I care about is the Palestinians

more accurately, the only thing you care about is hating Israel

Awkward Badger

Killer Wench wrote: »

According to the HP and NYT, our military has already started to bomb ISIS.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Don't see anything there about it.

Says something about air strikes here but the Pentagon are denying it.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101884104#.

mad muffin

Rightwing wrote: »

That's all American stuff, where it's made is irrelevant.

Go on, admit it. That little Israeli worm has burrowed its way right into your heart…

mad muffin

Awkward Badger wrote: »

Don't see anything there about it.

Press the headline right under the photo of Obama

Killer Wench

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/world/middleeast/american-forces-said-to-bomb-isis-targets-in-iraq.html

Must have a different headline in Ireland because it is in big bold red letters:

NYT: U.S. BOMBS ISIS

Rightwing

mad muffin wrote: »

Go on, admit it. That little Israeli worm has burrowed its way right into your heart…

Not really. I don't have any problem with any random Israeli citizen. I think what their government is doing is turning the world against them, and fuelling problems for itself down the line.

Awkward Badger

mad muffin wrote: »

Press the headline right under the photo of Obama

We must be seeing a different page, I'm being redirected to the .co.uk site.

I Heart Internet

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28351073

The BBC have a snapshot of the minorities of the Ninevah Plain, currently being obliterated by thugs.

Cantremember

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Iraqi Christians would integrate in a second.

Outstanding performance learning English.

Cantremember

I Heart Internet wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28351073

The BBC have a snapshot of the minorities of the Ninevah Plain, currently being obliterated by thugs.

Being obliterated by those who believe that Allah the almighty has sanctioned this and appointed them. Credit where credit is due.