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The largest ethnic cleansing in 60+ years in taking place today in Iraq

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  • #102
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28351073

    The BBC have a snapshot of the minorities of the Ninevah Plain, currently being obliterated by thugs.

    The cradle of civilisation. Now devoid of such…


  • #103
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    mad muffin wrote: »
    The cradle of civilisation. Now devoid of such…


    Deep


  • #104
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    carpejugulum wrote: »
    more accurately, the only thing you care about is hating Israel
    Oh for [insert personal deity/belief system here] give it a rest. Please. It makes your cause look ridiculous.
    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Deep
    but true. When Nineveh was at it's height the rest of the region and much of the known world beyond it was composed of primitives scrabbling for life and signs in the dirt.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #105
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Cantremember wrote: »
    Outstanding performance learning English.

    Thanks. I was born in Ireland, however, to Irish parents. Themselves of Irish descent. That's as far back as I know. You're doing ..... Ok on the usage of English yourself.


  • #106
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Cantremember wrote: »
    Being obliterated by those who believe that Allah the almighty has sanctioned this and appointed them. Credit where credit is due.

    We should give them refugee status.


  • #107
    Tail Docker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    We should give them refugee status.

    They might give us that, one day.


  • #108
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    We should give them refugee status.
    Why, when there are safe countries closer to Iraq? A person would have to move through safe countries to get to Ireland.


  • #109
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    What is going on in this thread? Is this not about the ISIS attacks on Christians in Iraq?
    I'm sorry, but the standard of debate here is very poor. This is not about Israel and the Palestinians - there are plenty of threads on that issue.
    I am also amazed how many Irosh people want to blame the US.
    Just to be clear, it is a bunch of Sunni Muslim thugs who are doing this. They are beheading people and filming it on the mobile phones.
    I hope the US protect us all from these weird vicious bastards. No one else will intervene. And yet the US will be slated.


  • #110
    Putin
    Registered Users Posts: 686 ✭✭✭Putin


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Try criticising Islamin defending the murder of children & civilians by the IDF in the Israel-Palestine thread, they'll say you're a colonalist fanatic, in Mossad, etc.

    Based on what I've read from some, I fixed the obvious typo there.


  • #111
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Putin wrote: »
    Based on what I've read from some, I fixed the obvious typo there.

    FFS!


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  • #112
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Why, when there are safe countries closer to Iraq? A person would have to move through safe countries to get to Ireland.
    There is no requirement to stop at the first safe country with regards to asylum.


  • #113
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LorMal wrote: »
    What is going on in this thread? Is this not about the ISIS attacks on Christians in Iraq?
    I'm sorry, but the standard of debate here is very poor. This is not about Israel and the Palestinians - there are plenty of threads on that issue.
    I am also amazed how many Irosh people want to blame the US.
    Just to be clear, it is a bunch of Sunni Muslim thugs who are doing this. They are beheading people and filming it on the mobile phones.
    I hope the US protect us all from these weird vicious bastards. No one else will intervene. And yet the US will be slated.


    Nope.


  • #114
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Nodin wrote: »
    Nope.

    Enlighten me


  • #115
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LorMal wrote: »
    Enlighten me

    They're a sub-sect with Sunni Islam. Wahabi-ist. They attack Sunni and Shia.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28177841

    Al Qaeda thinks they're extremists

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/11/isis-too-extreme-al-qaida-terror-jihadi

    In a sense, they're almost their own sect. A nasty bunch.


  • #116
    h2005
    Registered Users Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭h2005


    Vice have the first part of a documentary up here.
    http://youtu.be/bsCZzpmbEcs


  • #117
    Shakespeare's Sister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭Shakespeare's Sister


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Try criticising Islam in the Israel-Palestine thread, they'll say you're a colonalist fanatic, in Mossad, etc.
    Strange. I criticise hardline Islam all the time, yet support the Palestinians. That probably blows the "You're 100 per cent with us or else you're agin' us" crowd's minds.


  • #118
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Nodin wrote: »
    They're a sub-sect with Sunni Islam. Wahabi-ist. They attack Sunni and Shia.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28177841

    Al Qaeda thinks they're extremists

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/11/isis-too-extreme-al-qaida-terror-jihadi

    In a sense, they're almost their own sect. A nasty bunch.

    nit picking there Nodin. I don't know why you bother. Yes, many are wahhabi but they are also a loose alliance of a number of factions, primarily drawn from disaffected Sunnis who lost power and influence after Saddams collapse.
    My point remains - these are the knuts who we need to be focusing our anger at.


  • #119
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,195 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Why, when there are safe countries closer to Iraq? A person would have to move through safe countries to get to Ireland.
    what safe countries would these be

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #120
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,195 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    LorMal wrote: »
    What is going on in this thread? Is this not about the ISIS attacks on Christians in Iraq?
    I'm sorry, but the standard of debate here is very poor. This is not about Israel and the Palestinians - there are plenty of threads on that issue.
    I am also amazed how many Irosh people want to blame the US.
    Just to be clear, it is a bunch of Sunni Muslim thugs who are doing this. They are beheading people and filming it on the mobile phones.
    I hope the US protect us all from these weird vicious bastards. No one else will intervene. And yet the US will be slated.
    the US won't protect us if they get a good deal on oil from extremists, oh wait, thats happening all ready

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • #121
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    end of the road wrote: »
    the US won't protect us if they get a good deal on oil from extremists, oh wait, thats happening all ready

    What are you on about? Have you the slightest notion about what is happening there?


  • #122
    Davarus Walrus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    A colleague of mine has family directly involved. Seems there will be a way for them to move into exile in Turkey. That's the news he was getting today. He's an extremely pragmatic man. His family were ardent Saddam Hussein supporters. There was no tyranny against Christians. But he understood the invasion. It's refreshing to hear a perspective that isn't biased by cheap Western ideology. The fallout of a failed invasion has had devastating consequences.


  • #123
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Nodin wrote: »
    There is no requirement to stop at the first safe country with regards to asylum.
    No, but there should be. Also there is no requirement on our government to accept refugees who have refused asylum in other countries.


  • #124
    Lou.m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭Lou.m


    Reading a lot of it I cannot help but think they are but another now almost nomadic people like Romani or the Jews until Israel.

    It has turned into very violent tribal blood feuds as in eastern Europe there is a terrible power vacuum in the middle east. Only feeble dictators who attempt to rule under boot and cannot even do that.


  • #125
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    mad muffin wrote: »
    I've seen some of the videos on YouTube and photos of what they are doing to Christians and moderate Muslims, anyone who defies them or stands up to them is beheaded in the most horrific way. They even beheaded a little Christian girl.

    Then they display the heads in the town square and crucify the dead bodies. Just the most horrific middle age kind of stuff.

    If they have one redeeming feature. Is that they've outlawed smoking.[B/]

    So they're against sin. Well that's ok then, isn't it?


  • #126
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    No, but there should be. ........

    ....in your opinion. However, as stated, there is not.


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  • #127
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    LorMal wrote: »
    nit picking there Nodin. I don't know why you bother. ...........

    ...because its loose language and imprecise terms that lend weight to the unfortunate notion of Islam as a monolith.


  • #128
    donegal__road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 953 ✭✭✭donegal__road


    Edward Snowden: leader of the ISIS, Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi was trained in Israel by Mossad under the CIA.

    Article here




    Russia Today: 'ISIS in Iraq stinks of CIA/NATO dirty war operation'


    Article here


  • #129
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Obama has approved air-strikes or is just about to.

    Smoke 'em.


  • #130
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    We should give them refugee status.

    Germany has substantial Yezidi community already. I think they should at the least give Yezidi community free passage.

    Interesting article about Yezidis here:

    http://www.tomknoxbooks.com/the-genesis-secret/the-yezidi/


  • #131
    Davarus Walrus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    donegal__road wrote: »
    Edward Snowden: leader of the ISIS, Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi was trained in Israel by Mossad under the CIA.

    Article here




    Russia Today: 'ISIS in Iraq stinks of CIA/NATO dirty war operation'


    Article here

    This type of dangerous and self-serving tosh does nothing for either the plight or cause of those involved.


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  • #132
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Smoke 'em.

    *Cringe*


  • #133
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    *Cringe*

    Do you favour ISIS?


  • #134
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Do you favour ISIS?

    Shhh...


  • #135
    Minjor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 231 ✭✭Minjor


    Ah ISIS, even Al Qaeda thought they went too far and kicked them out.


  • #136
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    Shhh...


    :eek:

    :cool:


  • #137
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    If Saddam Hussein was still around neither ISIS nor Al Quaeda would be calling the shots. The Bushes - both father and son have a lot to answer for ........ and their lapdog of the day Mr Wendi Deng.
    Let Russian, China, India etc worry about these Cro-Magnons .............
    ...............................................
    Just watched Obama on TV and he's directing air strikes against any ISIS fighters/columns approaching Erbbil and any threat to the 40 or so USA advisers that are in Iraq. He stressed no ground troops.


  • #138
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    Cantremember wrote: »
    It needs to be contextualised: our unemployment rate, emigration of our own 20s generation, national debt, being screwed over by EU on retrospective bank bailout, enabling ethnic cleansing by accepting displaced persons etc. it serves no useful purpose to Irish society.

    What about humanity?
    Should we just expect everyone else to do it?


  • #139
    InTheTrees
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    Fascinating time on After Hours isnt it?

    America the Great Satan on some threads, and Oh god when will America help those poor people in other threads.

    Hamas must be cursing ISIS, just when muslims were getting some sympathy in the world we have images of christian children being beheaded by koran chanting fanatics.

    The only option is to blame the whole thing on israel and the western media...


  • #140
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Nodin wrote: »
    There is no requirement to stop at the first safe country with regards to asylum.

    Well therefore its called emigration not seeking asylum.


  • #141
    FISMA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭FISMA


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    What can/should Ireland do about it?

    1) Do nothing.

    2) Wait for someone else to do something.

    3) Say nothing.

    4) When efforts fail, criticize those who tried.

    5) Say "I told you so."

    6) Blame George Bush

    7) Return to step 1)


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  • #142
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    Fascinating time on After Hours isnt it?

    America the Great Satan on some threads, and Oh god when will America help those poor people in other threads.

    Hamas must be cursing ISIS, just when muslims were getting some sympathy in the world we have images of christian children being beheaded by koran chanting fanatics.

    The only option is to blame the whole thing on israel and the western media...

    In regards American intervention, well dammed if they do, dammed if they don't. They intervened in Libya, got slated and blamed for the mess that resulted...
    Didn't intervene in Syria (Anti-war nutjobs were delighted), chemical weapons and 160,000 dead two years later, well blame America cause sure they have no oil... :rolleyes:
    ISIS gain control of Northern Iraq, start beheading Christians and non believers.. humming and hawing.. US launch air strikes and the anti-war nutjobs will be out on the streets condemning this intervention...

    Isn't it great to be able to sit in a comfy chair in Dun Laoghaire pontificating about the wrongs of the world and getting paid by the tax payer to do it.


  • #143
    OneEightSeven
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven


    With the Arab Spring, I reckon Saddam would be fighting against the Shiite majority and going back to his old genocidal ways. Then you have ISIS advancing from Syria and recruiting any Sunni who opposed Saddam's secular regime. America would then back the Shiites like they do now, so the country would be in turmoil anyway.


  • #144
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    FISMA wrote: »
    1) Do nothing.

    2) Wait for someone else to do something.

    3) Say nothing.

    4) When efforts fail, criticize those who tried.

    5) Say "I told you so."

    6) Blame George Bush

    7) Return to step 1)

    You forgot:

    Write a letter

    Sign a petition

    Have a nice pity party outside US embassy. Thereby contribute to Garda overtime. (it's a good gig that. The Garda lads must be laughing their heads off).


  • #145
    LorMal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭LorMal


    Nodin wrote: »
    ...because its loose language and imprecise terms that lend weight to the unfortunate notion of Islam as a monolith.

    You forgot the bit about enjoying being a pedantic know all with little respect for the opinion of others.


  • #146
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,971 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    No, but there should be. Also there is no requirement on our government to accept refugees who have refused asylum in other countries.

    Do you hate everyone who's not a millionaire? For once in your life, have a bit of f*cking empathy.


  • #147
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    feargale wrote: »
    So they're against sin. Well that's ok then, isn't it?

    You would think, but alas, their beheadings and general crazy demeanour undermines their smoking ban. :pac:


  • #148
    mad muffin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    donegal__road wrote: »
    Edward Snowden: leader of the ISIS, Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi was trained in Israel by Mossad under the CIA.

    Article here




    Russia Today: 'ISIS in Iraq stinks of CIA/NATO dirty war operation'


    Article here


    US/Britain/Israel. The new axis of evil. I love it!


  • #149
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    Rightwing wrote: »
    next thing is these thugs will smash into israel

    ISIS are a great bunch of lads when it comes to rousting out near-defenceless civilians, somehow I think they might balk at attacking one of the best equipped armies on Earth, who have a reputation for not exactly holding back...


  • #150
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    jank wrote: »
    Well therefore its called emigration not seeking asylum.


    No, actually, it isn't. I'm sorry the world isn't the way you want it.


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  • #151
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    mad muffin wrote: »
    US/Britain/Israel. The new axis of evil. I love it!

    Well you have to ask, of those 3 countries and the supposed "axis of evil" who has killed the most innocent people in the past decade using terrorist tactics?


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