Are your children fat? Why are they fat?

uch

wexie wrote: »

One of my kids is pretty fat....:(
He's got fat rolls on his thighs, knees, ankles, wrists, neck....kinda everywhere.

My missus loves fat babies to phaaarp their legs and belly, babies seem to love this

KungPao

Saw a woman today feeding Snax crisps to her sprog in a buggy. I don't understand why she can't just give him a grape or something...

Madam

No Pants wrote: »

I'm 39 and I don't have a Scooby what you're on about.

Working in the bog and I assume picking potatoes(neither of which I've done). Unless gathering potatoes in my granda's garden counts?

wexie

uch wrote: »

My missus loves fat babies to phaaarp their legs and belly, babies seem to love this

Yeah he's just starting to giggle, awfully entertaining and distracting

SVJKarate

conorh91 wrote: »

Are your children fat? Why is that?

No, of course not.

Why - Years of karate training, and genetics.

Mostly genetics, honestly.

generalmental

KungPao wrote: »

Saw a woman today feeding Snax crisps to her sprog in a buggy. I don't understand why she can't just give him a grape or something...

Because the child "Doesn't like grapes" they don't like grapes cause when they moan your automatic response is to "Shut them up" with **** food. Poor excuse of parenting.

uch

SVJKarate wrote: »

Mostly genetics, honestly.

Dont go with that shít, I'm a fat little bolix, but my adult chizzlers are slim and tall, and my missus isn't that tall

generalmental

In my opinion one of the main reasons that people in general are getting fatter and fatter is money plain and simple.

Go into your local shops and supermarkets and you cant get to the till without having to climb over a 2 bars for 1 euro or some other cheap ass promotion of food that is really bad for you and the greed of the shop or supermarket owners will just take all the dosh they can get off the people who make that cheap crap.

Plus the fact that the crap is sooo cheap to make that what they pay the supermarket is miniscule conpared to what they get in. I bet the bosses of the company that makes the crap food doesn't eat a morsal of the $hit cause they know how bad it is.

We need to train the 5 year old kids that are starting school now so this vicious circle doesn't just continue into the future.

Wibbs

bboybaboy19 wrote: »

Real babies have curves.

Maybe. All my rellies are skinny, yet in baby pictures they're like fat buddhas. I was a big fatty as a baby. Maybe it's the breastfeeding thing?

Between diet and exercise? Yea, ideally it should work out equal, but again looking at my kin it seems to be much more about eating less. As one of my great uncles told me in his late 80's the only exercise I take is walking slowly behind the hearses of men who took exercise*. Now in fairness some exercise, others don't, but they're all thin, because overall they have small appetites and eat less. It's a lot easier to not eat the cake with 900 calories than to exercise off 900 calories. The smaller appetite is the biggie mind you. That makes things very easy if it's a default. If it's not it must be bloody hard. I know that when I am actually hungry you better not get in my way for fear of falling to cannibalism. If I was like that more of the time I'd be the size of a small house. I can't imagine how hard it is for someone who is hungry all or most of the time.




*when he finally dropped off the twig and joined the choir invisible he was buried in a suit he'd had made to measure when he was 30 so maybe he had a point...

Madam

One of my brothers was a real fattie when he was young (we called him Sumo), he has however grown up while not fat still 'stocky' and no matter what diet you would put him on I suppose you can't change someone's body shape!

anncoates

My kids so fat, their blood type is Ragu.

wexie

Wibbs wrote: »

Maybe. All my rellies are skinny, yet in baby pictures they're like fat buddhas. I was a big fatty as a baby. Maybe it's the breastfeeding thing?

There seems to be more and more evidence on the health benefits of breastfeeding, including weight (breastfed baby's tend to eat what they need, bottle fed babies tend to get a bottle fairly indiscriminately) resistance and a whole rake of other things.

generalmental

Madam wrote: »

One of my brothers was a real fattie when he was young (we called him Sumo), he has however grown up while not fat still 'stocky' and no matter what diet you would put him on I suppose you can't change someone's body shape!

Sorry I have to disagree with you.

First of all there is that horrible word Diet.

Diets are bad for you they DONT work you lose but you gain more when your finished.

February 2013 I was rushed to hospital as a 160kg man with Severe stomach pains.

Turned out that my Atkins/Paleo Diet that I had been on a couple of months before had actually caused me to get Diverticulitis I was only 35 and the doctor told me it is a condition for over 50s.

Since then I started eating properly and all healthy very very little processed crap and some exercise. Now im typing this as a 115kg man.

Balanced diet and some exercise it's the way forward.

Sam Kade

fleet_admiral wrote: »

My son eats what he wants and he gets a mc donalds once a week, He is as thin as a lat though as he gets mountains of exercise

He must be costing a fortune to feed

Shakespeare's Sister

con___manx1 wrote: »

when i was a kid everyone was out running around after a football or playing chase on the road. now a days its xbox and playstation. they play virtual football with there fingers its called fifa : ) getting fat on the sofa eating crisps drinking coke and its all there parents fault. if your kids dont like sport simply bring them for walks to the beach forest or park. most fat kids are the result of lazy parents

People have been saying that for 30 years. When it wasn't XBox/Playstation it was Space Invaders/TV. The kind of exercise needed to counteract eating lots of rubbish is high-intensity training, which kids are hardly going to be engaging in when just out playing.
I didn't exercise much as a kid (did more as a teen) and didn't eat particularly healthy, but was still slim - because portion sizes. They're ridiculous now, they were way smaller back then.

Hotfail.com wrote: »

The statistics seem to be completely misleading, in my experience anyway. I see very few fat kids around the place to be honest, maybe 1 in 25. And in my year last year there were about 105 of us, and I'd say there were 3 people who were fat. Not exactly frightening statistics.

Same here. The fat epidemic among kids is something that's highly overstated IMO. Something people just seem to like saying. Maybe the epidemic is confined to specific areas? It's not across the board though from what I see.
I'd agree adults are getting fatter though... while there's a simultaneous increased interest in running, cycling, hiking and healthy food.

Sam Kade

con___manx1 wrote: »

when i was a kid everyone was out running around after a football or playing chase on the road. now a days its xbox and playstation. they play virtual football with there fingers its called fifa : ) getting fat on the sofa eating crisps drinking coke and its all there parents fault. if your kids dont like sport simply bring them for walks to the beach forest or park. most fat kids are the result of lazy parents

You had to do it didn't you? The thread was going perfect no mention of kids until you came along :mad:
Young Humans=children
Young goats=kids

generalmental

Another thing that pi$$es me off is the amount of sugar that is in baby food like the jars and the baby rice and so on.

As another poster has said Sugar is addictive, so why the fcuk is it allowed in foods that you give to a 6 Month old.

Its like they are trying to start the addiction from as early as possible.

Sam Kade

MrsYelnekoff wrote: »

It's 80% diet and 20% exercise!! I think once a week for mcdonalds is too much in my opinion. Once a month is healthier.

I think never for mcdonalds is healthier

anncoates

These misty eyed eulogies about the old days vs P'S and Xbox slugs are a bit inaccurate. There's always loads of kids (including my own) out on our street playing football and riding bikes/scooters.

Plus it's not like kids didn't read or do other stuff indoors before the advent of computers.

wexie

generalmental wrote: »

Sorry I have to disagree with you.

First of all there is that horrible word Diet.

Diets are bad for you they DONT work you lose but you gain more when your finished.

The way I see it is that the word Diet (the way it's used these days, definition D) already suggests : I'll do this for a while to loose weight and then it'll be business as usual (ie. back to the habits that go you there in the first place)

Whereas actually changing your diet (definition A) is what is needed, change what is 'normal' food intake, exercise etc. etc.

Definition of DIET

a : food and drink regularly provided or consumed
b : habitual nourishment
c : the kind and amount of food prescribed for a person or animal for a special reason
d : a regimen of eating and drinking sparingly so as to reduce one's weight <going on a diet>

Well done on the weight loss, that's a massive achievement you can be proud of!!

Madam

generalmental wrote: »

Sorry I have to disagree with you.

First of all there is that horrible word Diet.

Diets are bad for you they DONT work you lose but you gain more when your finished.

February 2013 I was rushed to hospital as a 160kg man with Severe stomach pains.

Turned out that my Atkins/Paleo Diet that I had been on a couple of months before had actually caused me to get Diverticulitis I was only 35 and the doctor told me it is a condition for over 50s.

Since then I started eating properly and all healthy very very little processed crap and some exercise. Now im typing this as a 115kg man.

Balanced diet and some exercise it's the way forward.

Sorry I have to disagree:D My brother plays rugby, climbs hills for fun and imo out of all my brothers has the best diet you could think of(he lives in Australia so he's really into seafood and barbies of course)..

Reiketsu

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Purdie is a very specific North Donegal word, never heard it anywhere else.

We say it here too!

Pablodreamsofnew

Sam Kade wrote: »

I think never for mcdonalds is healthier

everything in moderation is key, otherwise your kid will go mental when they are on their own!!

generalmental

wexie wrote: »

The way I see it is that the word Diet (the way it's used these days, definition D) already suggests : I'll do this for a while to loose weight and then it'll be business as usual (ie. back to the habits that go you there in the first place)

Whereas actually changing your diet (definition A) is what is needed, change what is 'normal' food intake, exercise etc. etc.



Well done on the weight loss, that's a massive achievement you can be proud of!!

I totally agree with you. There is so much misinformation out there its unreal.

Thanks for the congrats on the loss. I felt a bit silly writing it bit I had to get my point across.

But I find it amazing that I was only giving proper information about things like fibre and what certain foods do for parts of your body when it got to late and I had to make the change or suffer the consequences(Not going to get into it but lets just say not pleasant at all).

Before anyone jumps down my neck I know im mostly to blame for how I got, but I put some of that blame ob my parents as they were the people who "Conditioned" me with the foods I grew up on.

ulinbac

Little cousins are fat. One got a letter home from the school about it.

My cousin who is 10 said that she doesn't like running. Parents (particularly Mother who is my cousin is very fat). My Dad and I brought it up once to our detriment. Kids can't go out in streets where they live in London but only get exercise down the skateboard park at weekends. AFAIK dinners are mainly ready meals for dinner from M&S. They think its healthy cause it says the healthy option on the packet.

I'm home for 2 weeks and seriously, people have gotten fat here, especially the women! Most of the men around 20 - 35 are in relatively good condition, but the majority of the women I saw out on Friday night were quite fat. Easily more fat than not. One of the lads with in the group was home for a week aswell and couldn't believe it either.

Shakespeare's Sister

I disagree that children don't play outside nowadays but I've no doubt they are driven around a lot more than needed.

generalmental

Madam wrote: »

Sorry I have to disagree:D My brother plays rugby, climbs hills for fun and imo out of all my brothers has the best diet you could think of(he lives in Australia so he's really into seafood and barbies of course)..

But he plays Rugby there is no way you can convince me he only eats 2000 calories a day.

OneOfThem Stumbled

Ah live and let live.

We don't have to worry about undernourishment, dirty water, vector borne diseases, so the biggest dangers humanity has faced are gone (in the Western World, at least). What to replace the anxiety with?

We can't really angst about cancer as means of prevention and elimination are largely as elusive as they were a century ago. Senility and dementia is largely the same. Even coronary heart disease and strokes are very difficult to predict and prevent, but at least diet has a certain role to play in these.

But hand-wringing about weight seems to be all the rage nowadays.

Not saying that there aren't any downsides to being fat. Morbid obesity does kill. But it seems that people wish to focus on fatness beyond reason because there is the chance that we have some control over it, rather than the spectre of more deadly diseases, which we don't.

Of course according to some papers, fatness causes all disease. A bit like the bad humours of the 16th century.

Fate Amenable To Change

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

Ah live and let live.

We don't have to worry about undernourishment, dirty water, vector borne diseases, so the biggest dangers humanity has faced are gone (in the Western World, at least). What to replace the anxiety with?

We can't really angst about cancer as means of prevention and elimination are largely as elusive as they were a century ago. Senility and dementia is largely the same. Even coronary heart disease and strokes are very difficult to predict and prevent, but at least diet has a certain role to play in these.

But hand-wringing about weight seems to be all the rage nowadays.

Not saying that there aren't any downsides to being fat. Morbid obesity does kill. But it seems that people wish to focus on fatness beyond reason because there is the chance that we have some control over it, rather than the spectre of more deadly diseases, which we don't.

Of course according to some papers, fatness causes all disease. A bit like the bad humours of the 16th century.

If you've a healthy collestral and can do a few laps of a pitch without it causing you pain or to keel over gasping then weight is probably irrelevant. The problem is that being overweight is symptomatic of these issues

Shakespeare's Sister

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

But it seems that people wish to focus on fatness beyond reason because there is the chance that we have some control over it, rather than the spectre of more deadly diseases, which we don't.

But doesn't that make sense?
I agree with you some people get way too hysterical about other people's (including strangers') lifestyles (and I'm not convinced "their health" is the big concern) but when someone's weight spirals out of control it's very difficult to reverse the damage and the habits, and it's crap for people's self esteem too, not to mention physical health, so it's a legitimate concern for someone if it's affecting family/friend(s).

4zn76tysfajdxp

OneOfThem Stumbled wrote: »

Ah live and let live.

Might be live and let die, in this case.

Aongus Von Bismarck

I live in Germany but I travel back to Ireland fairly often. Though there are much more Plus Size Padlings in Ireland than you'd see on the continent, it's not as anywhere near as bad as the adults.

I was home for Christmas last winter and ran into some of the ”people” I went to school with for the first time in the best part of a decade. It's incredible to see how quickly they've let themselves go, and they're barely in their 30s: big bulbous bloodshot eyes, massive bellies hanging over their jeans barely contained in their Penney's shirts, huge pink balding heads with high blood pressure.

They all looked like raging Elmer Fudds. Most of them had stopped getting regular exercise since drinking took over their desire to play Gaelic football back in their early 20s but, really, it was all diet to blame. Supermacs twice or three times a week, fried breakfast every morning and a feed of drink all weekend. One morbidly obese girl I went to school with spends her weekends drinking TWO boxes of Tesco red wine (both nights) and listening to best of the 80s playlists instead of mixing with people, dancing, cycling etc. I had to tell her to sort her life out in front of everyone for her own good.

Shakespeare's Sister

Why the quote-marks around people? What else could they be?

Macavity.

Magaggie wrote: »

Why the quote-marks around people? What else could they be?

Bed memories? Maybe they made life difficult for him/her. Bit OTT.

biko

Fat kids usually have fat parents.
It must therefore be the genes.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I had to tell her to sort her life out in front of everyone for her own good.

Wow. How charitable.

Hotfail.com

biko wrote: »

Fat kids usually have fat parents.
It must therefore be the genes.

It must be partly genetic anyway.

suicide_circus

Lyric Beautiful Firefly wrote: »

Wow. How charitable.

Not to mention inspiring

4zn76tysfajdxp

suicide_circus wrote: »

Not to mention inspiring

They tell you things straight out in the continent.

Aspiring

Seems to be more fat children around now compared to 10 years ago. Must be those big boned genes spreading.

suicide_circus

Lyric Beautiful Firefly wrote: »

They tell you things straight out in the continent.

That they do, a better class of people really

LETHAL LADY

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I live in Germany but I travel back to Ireland fairly often. Though there are much more Plus Size Padlings in Ireland than you'd see on the continent, it's not as anywhere near as bad as the adults.

I was home for Christmas last winter and ran into some of the ”people” I went to school with for the first time in the best part of a decade. It's incredible to see how quickly they've let themselves go, and they're barely in their 30s: big bulbous bloodshot eyes, massive bellies hanging over their jeans barely contained in their Penney's shirts, huge pink balding heads with high blood pressure.

They all looked like raging Elmer Fudds. Most of them had stopped getting regular exercise since drinking took over their desire to play Gaelic football back in their early 20s but, really, it was all diet to blame. Supermacs twice or three times a week, fried breakfast every morning and a feed of drink all weekend. One morbidly obese girl I went to school with spends her weekends drinking TWO boxes of Tesco red wine (both nights) and listening to best of the 80s playlists instead of mixing with people, dancing, cycling etc. I had to tell her to sort her life out in front of everyone for her own good.

Well aren't you the charmer.

Aongus Von Bismarck

Magaggie wrote: »

Why the quote-marks around people? What else could they be?

Many of these "people" felt they were the be all and the end all when we were in school. Elite players on the football team. Now they are stuck with big bellies and no ambition. The game of life isn't a sprint. And I passed them out many years ago.

wexie

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

One morbidly obese girl I went to school with spends her weekends drinking TWO boxes of Tesco red wine (both nights) and listening to best of the 80s playlists instead of mixing with people, dancing, cycling etc. I had to tell her to sort her life out in front of everyone for her own good.

What he meant was : one quite overweight girl I went to school with drinks quite a lot of cheap red wine while listening to nostalgic music on the weekends. Probably because she's quite lonely and feeling a bit down because of her weight gain*. So I enquired if she is doing okay and would she like to go for a walk in the park sometime.

(it's German diplomacy, you need to read between the lines)

*also entirely possible that this girl was bullied in school (for her own good) and has severe confidence issues because of it.

Jellybaby1

50, 60, 70+ years ago very few people were fat except those who overate, but few enough could afford to do that. Today everything has changed, habits, food, lifestyle, are all very different to back then. Those were the days when children did not have pocket money for school lunch, you just got a jam sandwich and a bottle of milk. Now kids are handed money for lunch in the school canteen, but they get to choose their own menu which is usually curry chips, crisps, fizzy drinks all extremely high in calories. High calorie intake plus low calorie out-take equals one little tubby person. Today there is a lot of sugar in almost all processed foods, even tinned beans. As for those Pink Lady apples, and grapes, they are both very high in (natural) sugars. Sugar of any kind is addictive. And I should know, because I am flippin' addicted to both, dammit!

Hotfail.com

Jellybaby1 wrote: »

50, 60, 70+ years ago very few people were fat except those who overate, but few enough could afford to do that. Today everything has changed, habits, food, lifestyle, are all very different to back then. Those were the days when children did not have pocket money for school lunch, you just got a jam sandwich and a bottle of milk. Now kids are handed money for lunch in the school canteen, but they get to choose their own menu which is usually curry chips, crisps, fizzy drinks all extremely high in calories. High calorie intake plus low calorie out-take equals one little tubby person. Today there is a lot of sugar in almost all processed foods, even tinned beans. As for those Pink Lady apples, and grapes, they are both very high in (natural) sugars. Sugar of any kind is addictive. And I should know, because I am flippin' addicted to both, dammit!

That rarely happens, I don't even know one school that has a canteen.

Jellybaby1

You might not know every school in the country though! But I know at least three secondary schools where 11/12 year olds buy their curry chips.

Edit: If we are talking about primary school children, we have all seen them exit their schools and charge into the local sweetie shops, haven't we? I even see them in the local shopping centre on their way home from school, and they are pretty young kids with money burning in their pockets.

Amirani

superman28 wrote: »

It is shocking how many obese children there are in Ireland and more shocking still to know that this is the first generation of kids that will have a shorter lifespan than their parents.

No empirical evidence to support that. It's a tabloid headline that's been debunked by a number of experts.

kowloon

MrsYelnekoff wrote: »

It's 80% diet and 20% exercise!! I think once a week for mcdonalds is too much in my opinion. Once a month is healthier.

You can go to Burger King, Abrakebabra and KFC the other weeks.

Sam Kade

Jellybaby1 wrote: »

50, 60, 70+ years ago very few people were fat except those who overate, but few enough could afford to do that. Today everything has changed, habits, food, lifestyle, are all very different to back then. Those were the days when children did not have pocket money for school lunch, you just got a jam sandwich and a bottle of milk. Now kids are handed money for lunch in the school canteen, but they get to choose their own menu which is usually curry chips, crisps, fizzy drinks all extremely high in calories. High calorie intake plus low calorie out-take equals one little tubby person. Today there is a lot of sugar in almost all processed foods, even tinned beans. As for those Pink Lady apples, and grapes, they are both very high in (natural) sugars. Sugar of any kind is addictive. And I should know, because I am flippin' addicted to both, dammit!

The milk in the sauce bottle Not so nice in warm weather though

Back then if you went into a shop you needed to know what you wanted as everything was behind the counter unlike today where all sorts of goodies are pushed in your face