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Water Charges question regarding number of adults living in the house

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    #32
    ted1
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    I gather that the PRTB will pass on the Pps numbers for those renting and that only those registered will get allowances.


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    #33
    murphaph
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    The_Conductor wrote: »
    Any properties that they can't install a meter in- are to be charged according to the number of inhabitants, property type, property size etc. The occupants would be billed separately by Irish Water- not the Management Company (aka its another utility bill for residents- its not the duty of the landlord to pay the bill).
    They could always take the German approach. One meter per building and leave it up to the management company to pay the bill, dividing it as they see fit (almost always according to unit size).

    Our building was like this until recently when individual meters were installed. The city still bills the management company with a single bill but the apportionment is now made according to the individual meter ratios.


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    #34
    murphaph
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    ted1 wrote: »
    I gather that the PRTB will pass on the Pps numbers for those renting and that only those registered will get allowances.
    That's not going to stand up to any scrutiny. You can't deny a tenant his water allowance because his landlord hasn't registered the tenancy so I'll call bullsh1t on this one. Where did you hear this?


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    Victor
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    SMJSF wrote: »
    what about buildings with apartments? is that under "group water"? will each person have to pay a set amount, or will be charged separately?
    Many apartments built in recent years already have water meters installed.


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    #36
    ted1
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    murphaph wrote: »
    That's not going to stand up to any scrutiny. You can't deny a tenant his water allowance because his landlord hasn't registered the tenancy so I'll call bullsh1t on this one. Where did you hear this?

    it would be common sense. it'll also mean the the tenanats ensure their registered and will lodge a complaint if they don't


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    #37
    murphaph
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    Where did you hear this?


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    #38
    Greenmachine
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    murphaph wrote: »
    Where did you hear this?


    Can Irish Water Bill for the same water twice. Flat has the same water supply as the shop downstairs. If the shop owner already pays for my water usage can Irish water bill me for the same water again.


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    #39
    SMJSF
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    Victor wrote:
    Many apartments built in recent years already have water meters installed.


    unfortunately this building has been here for more than 50 years (from historic images) and it was turned into apartments about 15- 20 years ago.


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    #40
    Victor
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    Greenmachine wrote: »
    Can Irish Water Bill for the same water twice. Flat has the same water supply as the shop downstairs. If the shop owner already pays for my water usage can Irish water bill me for the same water again.
    No. However, you might end up getting a separate supply / meter.


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    #41
    Victor
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    marie rosanna wrote: »
    As far as I know, the water board is a private company. They cannot request a persons pps number nor are you obliged to give your number to them. as for the PTSB passing on a persons number,,, this should be legally wrong... if your permission is not asked for and given for them to do so,,
    This was dealt with under the Social Welfare and Pensions Act 2014. A commencement order is not needed.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2014/en/act/pub/0016/sec0002.html#sec2
    Social Welfare and Pensions Act 2014 wrote:
    Definitions
    2. In this Part—
    “Principal Act” means the Social Welfare Consolidation Act 2005.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2014/en/act/pub/0016/sec0020.html#sec20
    Social Welfare and Pensions Act 2014 wrote:
    Specified bodies

    20. Schedule 5 to the Principal Act is amended in paragraph 1(4) by inserting “Irish Water,” after “Health and Social Care Professionals Council,” (inserted by section 20 of the Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Act 2009.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2009/en/act/pub/0043/sec0002.html#sec2
    Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Act 2009 wrote:
    Definitions.

    2.—In this Act—
    “Act of 2007” means the Social Welfare and Pensions Act 2007;

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2009/en/act/pub/0043/sec0020.html#sec20
    Social Welfare and Pensions (No. 2) Act 2009. wrote:
    Schedule 5 — amendment.

    20.—Schedule 5 (as amended by section 32 of the Act of 2007) to the Principal Act is amended in paragraph 1.(4)—
    (a) by inserting “Health and Social Care Professionals Council,” after “Enterprise Ireland,”, and
    (b) by inserting “the Road Safety Authority,” after “the Private Security Authority,”.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2007/en/act/pub/0008/sec0032.html#sec32
    Social Welfare and Pensions Act 2007 wrote:
    32.— The Principal Act is amended—

    ...

    (d) in Schedule 5, in paragraph 1.(4), by deleting “An Post”.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2005/en/act/pub/0026/sec0262.html#sec262
    Social Welfare Consolidation Act 2005 wrote:
    Personal public service number.

    262.—(1) Subject to this section, in this section and sections 263 to 270—


    “personal public service number” means a number allocated and issued in accordance with subsection (2);

    ...

    “specified body” shall be read in accordance with Schedule 5;

    ...

    (2) The Minister may allocate and issue a personal public service number to each person who is the subject of any transaction with a specified body.

    ...

    (4) A person shall give to a specified body his or her personal public service number and the personal public service numbers of his or her spouse and children, where relevant, as required by the body for the purposes of the person’s transaction.

    ...

    (6) (a) Where a specified body has a transaction with a person, the Minister may share the person’s public service identity with the specified body to the extent necessary for authentication by the specified body of the person’s public service identity.

    (b) A specified body may use a person’s public service identity in performing its public functions insofar as those functions relate to the person concerned.

    ...

    (9) A person, other than—
    (a) the person to whom the personal public service number concerned refers,
    (b) a specified body,
    (c) a person who has a transaction with a specified body where the personal public service number is relevant to the transaction between the person and the specified body, or
    (d) a person who is required to comply with section 260 or 261 or regulations made under those sections,

    who uses a personal public service number or seeks to have a personal public service number disclosed to him or her is guilty of an offence.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2005/en/act/pub/0026/sched5.html#sched5
    Social Welfare Consolidation Act 2005 wrote:
    SCHEDULE 5
    SPECIFIED BODIES

    Section 262 .

    1. Each of the following shall be a specified body for the purposes of this Schedule and sections 262 to 270 :


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    #42
    Greenmachine
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    Victor wrote: »
    No. However, you might end up getting a separate supply / meter.


    There are a number of flats above this particular shop. What would be involved in creating separate supplies for each flat. The cost for this would surely fall onto the landlord. Guessing something like that would run into the 1000's.


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