ISIS are pure evil.

Nodin

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I'd say some aren't far off it

...well until they're on it, it might be better to not speculate.

Hoop66

Well I'd say that those who advocate a violent response are obviously closet homosexuals, taking out the frustration this brings them on people they'll never meet.

Hey, it's easy this "making shit up" lark, isn't it.

Playboy

nokia69 wrote: »

stop allowing foreign countries building and controlling mosques in Europe, Austria are doing this now

But what about Muslims who live here and fund the building of mosques themselves?

nokia69 wrote: »

cut immigration from islamic countries to zero, and stop allowing people to import wives/husbands from islamic countries

So have a national immigration policy that discriminates based on someone's religion or country of origin? What if you are a Christian, atheist or Jewish person who happens to live in a muslim country? They not welcome too?

Would these Islamic countries then ban europeans from entering thus restricting business opportunities, travel opportunities and greatly reducing european influence in the region> Consequence of this would be that Russia/China would have far more influence.

nokia69 wrote: »

stop being so close to the likes of saudi arabia and countries like it

Why are we close to countries like it in the first place? What would be the impact of cutting or reducing ties?

nokia69 wrote: »

be honest with islamists living in Europe and tell them they are not liked or wanted so please **** off to the islamic ****hole of their choice

And what if they prefer to stay and are citizens/were born here?

nokia69 wrote: »

any normal muslim wants to stay and is happy to integrate and obey the law is welcome to stay

Whats a normal Muslim? I thought the religion itself was dangerous?

Roger Hassenforder

Playboy wrote: »

Genuine question for the people who have issues with Islam. What do you propose to do? If Islam is such an inherently dangerous religion and problems like ISIS, Boko Haram and Al Qaeda are only going to get worse then how we fix the problem.

Do we

1. Outlaw Islam in Europe?
2. Eject all European citizens who are Muslims?
3. Refuse all refugees who come from Muslim countries
4. Cut political ties with Muslim nations
5. Nuke the middle east but only after evacuating all non muslims?

Do we do all of the above, a combination of them or just one?

Banning religions forces them underground, therein lies some of the problem. People should have the right to practise whatever nonsense they want as long as the rights of other's aren't affected. Religions should be made register with the state, have their account books open to audit, pay rates and property taxes etc.

Why eject someone with as much right to be here as you? Eject them where? Fair enough, if they are conspiring against the state and its jurisprudence, they forfeit all rights that state bestows.

We need a closer look at 3, including those we admit don't languish in a kip of a hotel on the outside of a rural hamlet, trying to raise kids on a pittance.

4 why would you cut diplomatic channels, wasn't Ibrahim glad to avail of said services

5 nuking is a bit extreme. Maybe go thermobaric. From drones, jihadis hate drones.

nokia69

Playboy wrote: »

But what about Muslims who live here and fund the building of mosques themselves?

I don't have a problem with that, but letting the saudis build mosques is just madness

in the UK for example there are sufis from pakistan who moved to the UK in the 60s or 70s, their children are now salafi/wahabbi because they went to saudi funded mosques, the same will happen here

Playboy wrote: »

So have a national immigration policy that discriminates based on someone's religion or country of origin? What if you are a Christian, atheist or Jewish person who happens to live in a muslim country? They not welcome too?

well I would only like to keep out islamists, if a way could be found to only let in atheist/jews ect then I don't rely mind

in any case Europe has millions of unemployed people do we really need more 3rd world immigrants

Playboy wrote: »

Would these Islamic countries then ban europeans from entering thus restricting business opportunities, travel opportunities and greatly reducing european influence in the region> Consequence of this would be that Russia/China would have far more influence.

there is more to life than money, the less links we have to saudi arabia the better IMO

Playboy wrote: »

Why are we close to countries like it in the first place? What would be the impact of cutting or reducing ties?

too many western politicians are owned by the saudis, there would be less bribes for politicians and it might be bad for some areas of the economy, but like I said there is more to life than money

Playboy wrote: »

And what if they prefer to stay and are citizens/were born here?

they can stay if they obey the law and stop trying to change our counties, they should change, not us

Playboy wrote: »

Whats a normal Muslim? I thought the religion itself was dangerous?

a muslim who can admit that there are large parts of islam that should be ignored in order to live in the modern western world, for example if someone thinks his wife needs to wear a bag over her head in public, then Europe in not a place he should be living

we need to be honest with people

cruasder777

Nodin wrote: »

.....because you're introducing something that nobody here has said or advocated in this thread.

Just showing the absurdity of far left Cuban supporting rent a gob Islamic apologists.

The same people who say nothing about female genital mutilation etc.

Shurimgreat

Tony EH wrote: »

Well, as your pal Chomsky said, you can generally, do one of three things:

1. You can alleviate the problem.
2. You can make the problem worse
3. You can do nothing.

The "west" doesn't have a great track record at No.1 and it's actions usually lead to No.2, especially in the Middle East.

So, perhaps the best course of action the west can do for the time being is No.3.

Yep, that's it blame it all on the west, totally the west's problem. Nothing to do with the fact the middle east is full of religious nutters and Muhammad wannabes ready at the drop of the hat to mass murder and behead their way to power.

Most of the regimes in the middle east currently exist at the whim of the west. If the west decided tomorrow to stop supporting many of these regimes the region would be far far worse.

As for choices, we really only have two choices when it comes to the middle east.

1. Support violent psychopathic mass murderers like Saddam, Assad or Gaddafi.
2. Help overthrow or allow them to be overthrown via internal revolutions.

In other words there are no good options when it comes to the middle east, only terrible ones. The choice almost always is choosing between mass murdering secular leader or mass murdering religious fanatics.

The Americans supply Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan, Israel, Egypt and several more states in the region with top of the range military assets, all to keep groups like ISIS at bay. And your suggestion then is the west shouldn't supply these governments, stay out of the middle east and so on. We could do that, and allow the likes of ISIS and AQ take over these countries which they would. Perhaps that would make the non interventionists happy.

bjork

Asim Qureshi, research director at the rights group CAGE, described the world's most wanted man as 'extremely kind, extremely gentle and the most humble young person that I ever knew'.
At a press conference today Mr Qureshi was close to tears as he said Emwazi, who is linked to a string of executions of ISIS prisoners, 'was such a beautiful man'.
Mr Qureshi said he was radicalised after the security services harassed him and alienated him because 'the man I knew would never hurt a single person.'
He said: 'When are we going to finally learn that when we treat people as if they're outsiders, they are going to feel like outsiders and they will look for belonging elsewhere.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2970521/Outrage-group-blames-MI5-radicalising-extremely-kind-Jihadi-John-fled-Syria-kill-people-ISIS.html#ixzz3Ss1bmhNw
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PeteFalk78

bjork wrote: »

Mr Qureshi said he was radicalised after the security services harassed him and alienated him .....

Sounds like a load of lefty PC liberal bullsh1t that gets posted here daily by the usual suspects.

bjork

PeteFalk78 wrote: »

Sounds like a load of lefty PC liberal bullsh1t that gets posted here daily by the usual suspects.

It didn't take long for the apologist to come out and identify the "real victim" :rolleyes:

jobbridge4life

bjork wrote: »

It didn't take long for the apologist to come out and identify the "real victim" :rolleyes:

Well what if what this man is saying is true? We are not required to forgive or over look the monstrous transgression committed by Jihadi John and certainly isolation and victimization is no justification for becoming a blood letting fascist but our righteous anger should not blind us from elements of truth contained in the statement.

d0gb0y

bjork wrote: »

Asim Qureshi, research director at the rights group CAGE, described the world's most wanted man as 'extremely kind, extremely gentle and the most humble young person that I ever knew'.

How does someone like this start cutting peoples heads off?

Zebra3

Screw it. Why don't "we" just bomb Isis and be done with it?

It'll make us all feel better and sure it's not like anything could possibly go wrong or it'd be hypocritical.....

http://johnpilger.com/articles/why-the-rise-of-fascism-is-again-the-issue

Tugboats

Zebra3 wrote: »

Screw it. Why don't "we" just bomb Isis and be done with it?

It'll make us all feel better and sure it's not like anything could possibly go wrong or it'd be hypocritical.....

http://johnpilger.com/articles/why-the-rise-of-fascism-is-again-the-issue

John Pilger:o He must have a new book out

cruasder777

Jihad John was "extremely gentle" more Muslim apologetics, you could not make it up. More and more people wake up to the devious nature of Islam everydayand their behind doors support for Sharia and ISIS..

Rose West was was a lovely grandmother too, Ted Bundy a true gent around women.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11436615/Jihadi-John-named-as-Mohammed-Emwazi-live.html

Zebra3

cruasder777 wrote: »

Jihad John was "extremely gentle" more Muslim apologetics, you could not make it up. More and more people wake up to the devious nature of Islam everydayand their behind doors support for Sharia and ISIS..

Rose West was was a lovely grandmother too, Ted Bundy a true gent around women.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11436615/Jihadi-John-named-as-Mohammed-Emwazi-live.html

Look at the media portraying Obama as a caring father.

Yet every week he decides to slaughter people through drone kills. Lovely bloke. :rolleyes:

cruasder777

Zebra3 wrote: »

Look at the media portraying Obama as a caring father.

Yet every week he decides to slaughter people through drone kills. Lovely bloke. :rolleyes:

You are comparing Obama, to a guy who cuts off peoples head for being a different religion.

Thanks, now I know you must be insane.


Drones don't deliberately target civilians. They are collateral damage, families are compensated. The targets are the terrorists.

There is nothing to be gained from deliberately killing civilians.


Who filled your head with such insanity ?

Zebra3

cruasder777 wrote: »

You are comparing Obama, to a guy who cuts off peoples head for being a different religion.

Thanks, now I know you must be insane.


Drones don't deliberately target civilians. They are collateral damage, families are compensated. The targets are the terrorists.

There is nothing to be gained from deliberately killing civilians.


Who filled your head with such insanity ?

Since when did slaughtering innocent people become "collateral damage"? What revolting evil terminology you use to describe kids being wiped off the face of the earth by a war criminal.

And explain to me how the families are "compensated"? How do you compensate somebody who has lost their entire family?

There is plenty to be gained by the U.S. by killing innocent civilians. With America's Drone War, it keeps people living in fear.

PeteFalk78

Zebra3 wrote: »

Look at the media portraying Obama as a caring father.

Yet every week he decides to slaughter people through drone kills. Lovely bloke. :rolleyes:

Ah ffs can you please stop comparing Obama to a terrorist organisation. There is absolutely no tangible link between the two.

You are doing your intelligence a disservice by persisting with it. :rolleyes:

FTA69

Currently a video doing the rounds of them executing a woman in public for wearing a red jacket instead of a black one and refusing to change it. They make her kneel at the side of a footpath in a Syrian city and after a brief rant one of the men steps forward and shoots in her in the top of the head.

Wurzelbert

FTA69 wrote: »

Currently a video doing the rounds of them executing a woman in public for wearing a red jacket instead of a black one and refusing to change it. They make her kneel at the side of a footpath in a Syrian city and after a brief rant one of the men steps forward and shoots in her in the top of the head.

just watched that one...sickening...was it really because of the red jacket? wish i could understand that ****ing language and get what that creep said...apart from allahu akbar...

Nodin

cruasder777 wrote: »

Just showing the absurdity of far left Cuban supporting rent a gob Islamic apologists.

The same people who say nothing about female genital mutilation etc.

Could you wait till they turn up? Bit rude to start without them.

LDN_Irish

Apparently the woman in the red jacket was executed for prostitution. Not really a redeeming feature IMO.

Zebra3

PeteFalk78 wrote: »

Ah ffs can you please stop comparing Obama to a terrorist organisation. There is absolutely no tangible link between the two.

You are doing your intelligence a disservice by persisting with it. :rolleyes:

Of course there is.

They both murder innocent people.

The U.S. has a long history of funding terrorist campaigns so stop doing your intelligence a disservice by denying any similarity when it's obvious to the blind.

Right Turn Clyde

Tugboats wrote: »

John Pilger:o He must have a new book out

John Pilger is a constant presence, if you know where to find him. You shouldn't assume he's opportunistic because he only receives sporadic attention in the mainstream media.

PopePalpatine

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Apparently the woman in the red jacket was executed for prostitution. Not really a redeeming feature IMO.

Not really something that should be a capital crime IMO.

LDN_Irish

Sorry, I meant a redeeming feature for IS not for their victim.

Wurzelbert

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Apparently the woman in the red jacket was executed for prostitution. Not really a redeeming feature IMO.

is that what the allah avenger dude was saying before his buddy shot her?

LDN_Irish

I don't speak Arabic but an online friend of mine who does said that yes, the man was talking about the evils of prostitution before murdering someone.

PopePalpatine

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Sorry, I meant a redeeming feature for IS not for their victim.

Sorry, I guess I might need to brush up on my reading comprehension.