ISIS are pure evil.

Tony EH · 07-03-2015 2:49pm

keanosbeard wrote: »

The words of a racist and a bigot, tarring a billion people with his ignorant bigotry.

All religions are bollocks.

keanosbeard · 07-03-2015 2:59pm

Tony EH wrote: »

Islam is a load of old bollocks. Fairy stories for fools.

Islam certainly has it's faults. And it has it's positives too.

But this is a extremely ignorant way of critiquing it, whilst tarring over a billion people with your ignorant bigotry.

Nodin · 07-03-2015 3:03pm

keanosbeard wrote: »

Islam certainly has it's faults. And it has it's positives too.

But this is a extremely ignorant way of critiquing it, whilst tarring over a billion people with your ignorant bigotry.

Considering your previous posts, this is rather laughable.

DeadHand · 07-03-2015 3:20pm

Nodin wrote: »

Considering your previous posts, this is rather laughable.

At least he's offering an argument. All I see from the apologist side is...

"You're a bigot!"

"You're a racist!"

"I'm puking!"

"You know **** all!"

"That's ignorant!"

And various unimaginative variations of the same reinforced with adolescent use of emoticons.

Meanwhile, today and in the real world, five men have been murdered in Mali by people acting in the name of Islam for the crime of being white Europeans or being in close proximity to them. Still, there will be those who wring their hands and find a creative way to blame this entirely on the USA or, better again, Israel and go on with the deluded "there is nothing wrong with Islam" line.

Nodin · 07-03-2015 3:23pm

DeadHand wrote: »

At least he's offering an argument. All I see from the apologist side is...

"You're a bigot!"

"You're a racist!"

"I'm puking!"

"You know **** all!"

"That's ignorant!"

And various unimaginative variations of the same reinforced with adolescent use of emoticons.

Sectarian generalisations aren't an argument. As for the rest, take it up with those responsible.

DeadHand · 07-03-2015 3:24pm

Tony EH wrote: »

All religions are bollocks.

Agreed.

Equally true that only one religion is having human beings murdered, mutilated, raped and enslaved with depressing regularity in it's name in various parts of the world today.

Islam.

DeadHand · 07-03-2015 3:35pm

Nodin wrote: »

Sectarian generalisations aren't an argument. As for the rest, take it up with those responsible.

The Useful idiot side is happy to generalise any who deviate from their own narrow dogma as racists, sectarians, xenophobes or bigots.

Yet, react angrily when they feel that someone is giving any of their pet groups with a high ranking on their hierarchy of victims the same treatment.

Hypocrisy is the defining characteristic of the left.

keanosbeard · 07-03-2015 3:44pm

Islamofacists regularly target places of worship and nightclubs.

Some may recall one particular group of Islamofacists with British Passports who were jailed for their bomb plot which included London nightclub The Ministry Of Sound as a potential target.

In court evidence during bugged conversations they were taped regarding bombing the Ministry Of Sound saying;

" now no one can even turn around and say 'Oh they were innocent,' - those slags dancing around "

Amongst the innumerable Islamofacist terrorist outrages against innocent civilians in the places of worship include, some notable outrages include;

On Christmas Eve 2000, over a dozen Christian churches including Jakata's main Cathedral were targeted in a co-ordinated bombing campaign against both Protestant and Catholic churches across Indonesia.

On Christmas Eve 2010, Boko Haram bombed churches and killed over 40 people.

On Christmas Day 2011, Boko Haram targetted several Christian churches in Nigeria killing around 50 people.

On Christmas Day 2013, 37 people were murdered at a Bagdhad Christian church.

Given the wide geographical spread, and the different terrorist groups involved, the targetting of nightclubs and places of worship suggests a shared or similar ideology between various Islamofacist groups, which cannot simply be excused away by blaming America. There is something else at play.

Nodin · 07-03-2015 3:52pm

DeadHand wrote: »

The Useful idiot side is happy to generalise any who deviate from their own narrow dogma as racists, sectarians, xenophobes or bigots.

Yet, react angrily when they feel that someone is giving any of their pet groups with a high ranking on their hierarchy of victims the same treatment.

Hypocrisy is the defining characteristic of the left.

Yes, yes, they'll serve us our parents for dinner, we know.

fran17 · 07-03-2015 4:06pm

Tony EH wrote: »

All religions are bollocks.

This post hurts my brain.Its just void of everything.

Tony EH · 07-03-2015 4:22pm

fran17 wrote: »

This post hurts my brain.Its just void of everything.

Poor you.

:pac:

Tony EH · 07-03-2015 4:26pm

DeadHand wrote: »

At least he's offering an argument.

"Don't blame America" is not an "argument".

DeadHand wrote: »

Still, there will be those who wring their hands and find a creative way to blame this entirely on the USA or, better again, Israel and go on with the deluded "there is nothing wrong with Islam" line.

Yet more idiocy.

There isn't a single person doing that.

Wurzelbert · 07-03-2015 5:24pm

Tony EH wrote: »

You're not in the least bit qualified to talk about the "behavior of Islam since the year 622".

by that logic nobody would be qualified to talk about historical events...

DeadHand · 07-03-2015 7:40pm

Tony EH wrote: »

What a stupid post.

:rolleyes:

Tony EH wrote: »

You're not in the least bit qualified to talk about the "behavior of Islam since the year 622".

Tony EH wrote: »

All religions are bollocks.

Tony EH wrote: »

You whining maggots with your "don't blame America" whinging make me want to puke.

FFS.

Tony EH wrote: »

You know fuck all about the Middle East.

Tony EH wrote: »

It's no wonder that folk are swearing and puking, when one constantly reads drivel from the weak minded who cannot understand even the basics and only have inane bigotry in their petty arsenal, where tarring millions with a broad brush passes for insightful criticism.

Fairy stories for fools... it's flat out out stupid.

Tony EH wrote: »

Poor you.

:pac:

Tony EH wrote: »

Yet more idiocy

So much vitriol. So much anger. So little argument.

That was just in the space of two pages. Time for a new pastime perhaps?

Can't help but feel if this poster was of any other stance but the herd left he'd have been at least banned from the thread by now.

obplayer · 07-03-2015 9:27pm

Tony EH wrote: »

You're not in the least bit qualified to talk about the "behavior of Islam since the year 622".

And you are? Enlighten us then wise one.

Ash.J.Williams · 08-03-2015 1:47am

keanosbeard wrote: »

The United States Of America was founded in 1776.

The man who invented Islam, Mohommed, himself began having sex with a 9 year old girl when he was a 52 year old man. Since then Muslims have been having sex with 9 year old girls, due to the example and teachings of Mohammed.

Followers of Islam have been beheading anyone " Unbelievers " and those who reject the opportunity to become Muslim since the 620s, because during Mohammed lifetime, under his instruction, command and approval his followers beheaded hundreds (maybe thousands) " Unbelievers ".

Followers of Islam have been raping women and trading them as sex slaves since the 620s, because during Mohammed lifetime, under his instruction, command and approval his followers did so. Muhammed, in his lifetime, was quite cool with the concept of raping women who were " Unbelievers ", trading them as sex slaves and even beheading one. And it is because of this that in the year 2015 there are Muslim sex abuse gangs in the North Of England abusing and exploiting vunerable young English girls.

As in the murderous racist / ethnic / religous persecution cleansing that ISIS are engaging in, Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims have been killing each other since the year 632, when they could not decide on who should take over from Mohammed as leader.

Followers of Islam have behaved in this way since the year 620 odd, because Islam is an inherently supremacist, intolerant, agressive and violent ideology.

Some folk can stick their heads in the sand and blame America till the sea rises and the sun stops shining. Islam is what it is and the very nasty bits of Islam are Islam's fault and nobody elses.

If America had never existed, whatever shape the world took today, we would see this stuff going on in the name of Islam. Because it has since the year 632 and there is no reason or evidence to suggest it would ever have stopped.

That's a very odd view of the middle east ...most Muslims are sound....

Tony EH · 08-03-2015 10:56am

DeadHand wrote: »

So much vitriol. So much anger. So little argument.

That was just in the space of two pages. Time for a new pastime perhaps?

Can't help but feel if this poster was of any other stance but the herd left he'd have been at least banned from the thread by now.

Is it any wonder why such vitriol exists when shite like this is on every second page>

DeadHand wrote: »

any other stance but the herd left

keanosbeard wrote: »

simply be excused away by blaming America

DeadHand wrote: »

their pet groups

DeadHand wrote: »

Hypocrisy is the defining characteristic of the left.

DeadHand wrote: »

Still, there will be those who wring their hands and find a creative way to blame this entirely on the USA or, better again, Israel and go on with the deluded "there is nothing wrong with Islam" line.

...and that's JUST the last few pages.

The entire thread is littered with such imbecile inanity, it becomes impossible to keep an even temper.

Your drivel alone is enough to test anyone's patience. You can't type six words with saying the "left".

:rolleyes:

DeadHand · 08-03-2015 10:58am

Tony EH wrote: »

You can't type six words with saying the "left"

Seems you can't type at all.

G_R · 08-03-2015 11:14am

Mod

Tony EH - this is your one and only warning to change your posting style on this thread - it's needlessly argumentative.

keanosbeard · 08-03-2015 11:17am

The brain dead morons that are Boko Haram have apparently formally pledged alliegence to ISIS.

As well as murdered another 50 people, to add to the 13,000 they have already murdered, in their pursuit of creating an Islamic Sharia law paradise.

DeadHand · 08-03-2015 11:31am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

That's a very odd view of the middle east ...most Muslims are sound....

Obviously, since most people are sound, this is true.

Yet, let's say, for argument's sake, a fundamentalist Christian rogue state overruns most of Poland and half of Hungary and immediately begins the organised, industrial scale rape, torture, murder, enslavement and ethnic cleansing of anyone who happens to be in any way different (an impossibility I know). How long would such an entity be allowed to exist at the heart of the West as ISIS has been allowed to exist at the heart of the Muslim world? How much clandestine support would such an entity receive from other majority Christian states? As much as ISIS is widely believed to receive from many Muslim states? How much support, both tacit and direct would such an entity receive from Christian populations around the globe? How many Christians would flock eagerly to the area for a chance to murder and rape non-Christians and Christians who happened to be different? ISIS has received this wide support and this inundation of volunteers from Muslim communities all over Asia, Africa and the West.

More young British Muslim men are fighting for ISIS than for the British Army.

Our rhetorical rogue state would last a few days before the Germans, British, French, Americans and/or even, Christ help us, the Russians rolled in and removed it.

I know the situation is complex strategically but there seems to be a great tolerance for ISIS among surrounding nations, nations we would hope are as honourable and virtuous as any other. Turkey, in particular has behaved with shameful apathy for a nation of it's military strength, membership of NATO and professed secularism. Indeed, the reaction to ISIS among it's neighbours seems to be silence at best and support at worst.

History has proved that western intervention here is going to make the situation much worse for all involved. Therefore, the solution must come from the Muslim world itself. So far, it is not coming.

Yes, yes. The slave states of the gulf are making some token efforts. Air raids for PR purposes while with the other hand allegedly supplies their ostentatious foes. Others (Jordan, Lebanon, what's left of Syria) simply don't have the muscle to do anything but defend their own borders.

In fact, the only capable local power making more than a token effort to defeat ISIS is Iran. Not that they are doing this for purely altruistic reasons, but at least they are doing something.

It's a sad reflection on the states of the Muslim world when it's most virtuous member in a crisis is the Islamic Republic of Iran.

BuilderPlumber · 09-03-2015 9:13am

DeadHand wrote: »

Obviously, since most people are sound, this is true.

Yet, let's say, for argument's sake, a fundamentalist Christian rogue state overruns most of Poland and half of Hungary and immediately begins the organised, industrial scale rape, torture, murder, enslavement and ethnic cleansing of anyone who happens to be in any way different (an impossibility I know). How long would such an entity be allowed to exist at the heart of the West as ISIS has been allowed to exist at the heart of the Muslim world? How much clandestine support would such an entity receive from other majority Christian states? As much as ISIS is widely believed to receive from many Muslim states? How much support, both tacit and direct would such an entity receive from Christian populations around the globe? How many Christians would flock eagerly to the area for a chance to murder and rape non-Christians and Christians who happened to be different? ISIS has received this wide support and this inundation of volunteers from Muslim communities all over Asia, Africa and the West.

More young British Muslim men are fighting for ISIS than for the British Army.

Our rhetorical rogue state would last a few days before the Germans, British, French, Americans and/or even, Christ help us, the Russians rolled in and removed it.

I know the situation is complex strategically but there seems to be a great tolerance for ISIS among surrounding nations, nations we would hope are as honourable and virtuous as any other. Turkey, in particular has behaved with shameful apathy for a nation of it's military strength, membership of NATO and professed secularism. Indeed, the reaction to ISIS among it's neighbours seems to be silence at best and support at worst.

History has proved that western intervention here is going to make the situation much worse for all involved. Therefore, the solution must come from the Muslim world itself. So far, it is not coming.

Yes, yes. The slave states of the gulf are making some token efforts. Air raids for PR purposes while with the other hand allegedly supplies their ostentatious foes. Others (Jordan, Lebanon, what's left of Syria) simply don't have the muscle to do anything but defend their own borders.

In fact, the only capable local power making more than a token effort to defeat ISIS is Iran. Not that they are doing this for purely altruistic reasons, but at least they are doing something.

It's a sad reflection on the states of the Muslim world when it's most virtuous member in a crisis is the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Agree 100%. The example of a rogue 'Christian' fascist state originating in Poland and then rolling through Slovakia and into Hungary would be opposed by everyone. NATO would back up its allies and Russia would want it gone, too. Perhaps, the area could end up like WW2: carved out between Russia and the West.

The closest in recent times to such a state was Milosevic's Yugoslavia. When that was going too far, we all see what happened and the former Yugoslav republics now are under moderate governments.

ISIS are allowed to form and be tolerated because of existing rivalries. Turkey is acting like it is because of the Kurds. ISIS are keeping at bay a threat to Turkey by fighting Kurdish rebel groups. ISIS have not attacked Turkish interests and there is probably some loose deal. Israel also sees a stable Assad Syria as their enemy and thanks ISIS for messing that up. Israel are fond of setting one 'Islamic' or Arab nationalist group against the other and would invite an ISIS v Hamas or Hezbollah war. Israel ironically aided Hamas to clash with the PLO/Fatah in a similar manner. Other states like Saudi Arabia are quite happy to support ISIS as long as they stay outside their own territories.

The Islamic Republic of Iran may well become the French Revolution of the Middle East. Born into violence, savagery and extremism, perhaps like France its longterm end result will be a much better, more moderate and democratic state where things have improved drastically. There is certainly a moderate and reforming faction there and its current president and elected government are of that faction and this makes it different to its neighbours.

The ideal Islamic state would be one where people can dress as they please, eat as they please, drink as they please but also have total respect and responsibility for others. And where wealth is shared and elites broken down. With just changing around 5 laws, Iran is actually very close to achieving this and could with the right set of politicians. I think that Ali Khamenei should be the last Shah of Iran and that it should revert to a real republic after he dies. Have a Spanish post-Franco style situation only not replacing Khamenei with another Shah of course!

Tugboats · 10-03-2015 10:00pm

Today's video shows a lad being executed by a kid.

Roger Hassenforder · 10-03-2015 11:48pm

egyptian cleric Zoghbi gets quiet upset,and implores Allah to protect the Sunni in Syria, and to "guide their shooting" in annihilating the shia, Bashar.
and the Jews.

'Murica also gets a mention

reprise · 11-03-2015 12:06am

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

egyptian cleric Zoghbi gets quiet upset,and implores Allah to protect the Sunni in Syria, and to "guide their shooting" in annihilating the shia, Bashar.
and the Jews.

'Murica also gets a mention

Want to up his game to match the evil Bishop of Elphin around here.

SpaceSasqwatch · 11-03-2015 12:15am

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

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'Murica also gets a mention

The channel that has that video is run by ex-israeli intelligence officers.They have been caught mis-translating before amongst other ****e.

obplayer · 11-03-2015 12:33am

SpaceSasqwatch wrote: »

The channel that has that video is run by ex-israeli intelligence officers.They have been caught mis-translating before amongst other ****e.

Yes, I expect he is wishing everyone happy holidays.

reprise · 11-03-2015 12:55am

obplayer wrote: »

Yes, I expect he is wishing everyone happy holidays.

And extolling the virtues of atheism, secularism and liberalism.

Playboy · 11-03-2015 1:25am

obplayer wrote: »

Yes, I expect he is wishing everyone happy holidays.

reprise wrote: »

And extolling the virtues of atheism, secularism and liberalism.

He may well be but that source isn't to be trusted.

wes · 11-03-2015 1:26am

reprise wrote: »

And extolling the virtues of atheism, secularism and liberalism.

So we are to take the word of proven liars apparently......

ISIS are pure evil.

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