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ISIS are pure evil.

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    #3302
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    K.Flyer wrote: »
    I said "most likely" not "would" and my assumption is based on how lenient the sentencing system can be here.

    Much the same difference. Both are based on a similar presumption.


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    #3303
    Nodin
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    RollieFingers wrote: »
    Can they not just fook off and kill each other in the desert? Why do they have to come over to Europe!

    Who is "they"?

    Are all of "them" from the desert?


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    #3304
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Nodin wrote: »
    I've never insisted on "open borders". I merely object to a simplistic bit of sectarianism.


    Islam is not a race.

    "a cold war with the Islamic world" presumes some centrally controlled Islamic empire acting in a co-ordinated fashion. No such thing exists, nor anything remotely like it.

    You object to logic. No muslim immigrants, no islamist problem.

    The Ummah is the empire. Communism was not confined to Russia or one central empire either (though Saudi could stand for the USSR in as Islamism's spiritual homeland) it was an ideology, there has only been one successful way to fight an ideology.


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    #3305
    K.Flyer
    Registered Users Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    Nodin wrote: »
    Much the same difference. Both are based on a similar presumption.

    What presumption would that be?


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    #3306
    imperator567
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34 ✭imperator567


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    Can they not just fook off and kill each other in the desert? Why do they have to come over to Europe!

    benefits and a better life


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    #3307
    reprise
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    conorhal wrote: »
    If by nothing you mean the total absence of islamist terrorism on this island, then you're absolutely correct, the problem for opponents of my view is trying to fined a weasely way of avoiding saying, 'yeah, in my dogmatic insistence on open boarders I'm perfectly willing to sacrifice other peoples lives for my principles'.
    .

    If only the weasel words were restricted to that and not slyly jew bashing here and elsewhere.


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    #3308
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    conorhal wrote: »
    You object to logic. No muslim immigrants, no islamist problem..

    ....which ignores the problem of the "self radicalised". And the blatant sectarianism.



    conorhal wrote: »
    The Ummah is the empire. Communism was not confined to Russia or one central empire either (though Saudi, Qatar and Iran could stand in as it's spiritual homelands) it was an ideology, there has only been one successful way to fight an ideology.

    There is no "ummah". Saudi and Qatar follow a stricter form of Sunni Islam than most muslims. They regard Iran (a shiah muslim state) as apostate. There are, in fact, a number of ideologies. IS is different to Al Qaeda, for instance.


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    #3309
    imperator567
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34 ✭imperator567


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....which ignores the problem of the "self radicalised". And the blatant sectarianism.






    There is no "ummah". Saudi and Qatar follow a stricter form of Sunni Islam than most muslims. They regard Iran (a shiah muslim state) as apostate. There are, in fact, a number of ideologies. IS is different to Al Qaeda, for instance.



    they all support sharia.


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    #3310
    Nodin
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    K.Flyer wrote: »
    What presumption would that be?


    The tabloid like notions referred to earlier.


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    #3311
    reprise
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    imperator567 wrote: »
    benefits and a better life

    And the Polish birds.


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    #3312
    Nodin
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    imperator567 wrote: »
    they all support sharia.


    They support different forms of Sharia. Have you any other shafts of insight you wish to share with us?


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    #3313
    reprise
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    imperator567 wrote: »
    they all support sharia.

    And hate da joos.


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    imperator567
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34 ✭imperator567


    reprise wrote: »
    And the Polish birds.

    and lets not forget the underage rape and abuse. Its ok its in the Koran, They are only Kafir.


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    #3315
    Nodin
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    imperator567 wrote: »
    and lets not forget the underage rape and abuse. Its ok its in the Koran They are only Kafir.

    Are you saying that muslims support underage rape and abuse?


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    #3316
    wretcheddomain
    Registered Users Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭wretcheddomain


    Nodin wrote: »
    They support different forms of Sharia. Have you any other shafts of insight you wish to share with us?

    I'm not aware of any progressive form of Sharia. :rolleyes:


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    #3317
    imperator567
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34 ✭imperator567


    Nodin wrote: »
    They support different forms of Sharia. Have you any other shafts of insight you wish to share with us?

    Your are on obvious apologist.

    All forms of Sharia involve beheading, stoning etc.


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    #3318
    imperator567
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34 ✭imperator567


    Nodin wrote: »
    Are you saying that muslims support underage rape and abuse?



    The Koran does and its the abusers justification.


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    #3319
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    wretcheddomain wrote: »
    I'm not aware of any progressive form of Sharia. :rolleyes:

    The subject arose in regard to the notion of a unified muslim world.
    imperator567 wrote:
    The Koran does and its the abusers justification.

    No it does not.

    Again - are you saying all muslims support underage rape and abuse?


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    #3320
    reprise
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    wretcheddomain wrote: »
    I'm not aware of any progressive form of Sharia. :rolleyes:

    People who despise free speech, democracy and da joos seem to find it most refreshing nonetheless.


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    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Nodin wrote: »
    ....which ignores the problem of the "self radicalised". And the blatant sectarianism.






    There is no "ummah". Saudi and Qatar follow a stricter form of Sunni Islam than most muslims. They regard Iran (a shiah muslim state) as apostate. There are, in fact, a number of ideologies. IS is different to Al Qaeda, for instance.

    IS is different to Al Qaeda only in the breath of it's ambition. As I said, there is only one way to fight an ideology, I'm sure your friends in ANTIFA Ireland would agree.


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    #3322
    keanosbeard
    Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭keanosbeard


    Nodin wrote: »
    Are you saying that muslims support underage rape and abuse?

    Of course not ALL Muslims support rape and abuse.

    But, with regard to the numerous cases of Muslim rape and abuse gangs in the UK, there seems to be an awful lot of ambivelence in the UK. " Qui tacet consentit ", aided and abetted by politically correct figures in local authority and the legal system and most importantly the insanely politcally correct media, who over 10 years ago canned a docuentary about the phenomenon of Muslim males engaged in organised abuse of non-muslim girls, mostly under age, after outrage in the liberal media. 10 years later is an awful lot of victims.

    Islamophillia is a cancer that eats outwards from within.


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    #3323
    Nodin
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    conorhal wrote: »
    IS is different to Al Qaeda only in the breath of it's ambition. As I said, there is only one way to fight an ideology, I'm sure your friends in ANTIFA Ireland would agree.


    We've already established theres no monolithic ideology to fight.


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    reprise
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    keanosbeard wrote: »
    Of course not ALL Muslims support rape and abuse.

    But, with regard to the numerous cases of Muslim rape and abuse gangs in the UK, there seems to be an awful lot of ambivelence in the UK. " Qui tacet consentit ", aided and abetted by politically correct figures in local authority and the legal system and most importantly the insanely politcally correct media, who over 10 years ago canned a docuentary about the phenomenon of Muslim males engaged in organised abuse of non-muslim girls, mostly under age, after outrage in the liberal media. 10 years later is an awful lot of victims.

    Islamophillia is a cancer that eats outwards from within.

    If Islamophillia is a cancer, anti-semitism is smoking.


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    #3325
    keanosbeard
    Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭keanosbeard


    Actually, not so much a cancer.

    Ilamophillia is like those folk who keep an exotic pet in their home, like a tiger or a chimpanzee or a very large snake, and tell everybody who will listen that as they treat pet with respect, the pet will respect them back.

    Islamophillia is like the folk who get mauled by their pet and then claim it was their fault, as the pet was only behaving in its natural way, acting on its natural instinct, the only way it knows how, and despite losing a leg or a small child to the pet, they forgive the pet and are sure that it is an isolated incident and they must learn to understand the pet better.


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    #3326
    reprise
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    SpaceSasqwatch wrote: »
    Liam Egan was regularly a re-reg on the islamic forum.Last I heard he'd gotten divorced and moved to Saudi Arabia.Iirc he had another website called islamic vanguard.

    Got to admit, I almost have respect for someone who goes off and lives the dream rather than just bring a rain of hatred down to offset the misery in their lives.


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    #3327
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Nodin wrote: »
    We've already established theres no monolithic ideology to fight.

    Because you proclaim it?

    I suppose there was no Communism to fight either? Be they Stalints, Trots or whatever faction of communism the West fought the lot. Islamism is monolithic, be it Shia extremism or Sunni extremism. Or are you also attempting to suggest that because there's a variety of factions then there's no problem to be addressed in the Middle East?

    The are all two cheeks of the same arse that needs a kicking.


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    #3328
    imperator567
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34 ✭imperator567


    conorhal wrote: »
    Because you proclaim it?

    I suppose there was no Communism to fight either? Be they Stalints, Trots or whatever faction of communism the West fought the lot. Islamism is monolithic, be it Shia extremism or Sunni extremism. Or are you also attempting to suggest that because there's a variety of factions then there's no problem to be addressed in the Middle East?

    The are all two cheeks of the same arse that needs a kicking.



    Welcome to the world of Islamo-trots.

    The SWP even claimed Muslims going out to fight ISIS were like youths in the 1930s going off to fight in the Spanish civil war against a dictator.


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    #3329
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    conorhal wrote: »
    Because you proclaim it?.

    No, because there factually is not.
    conorhal wrote: »
    . Islamism is monolithic, be it Shia extremism or Sunni extremism. .

    You're contradicting yourself there.
    conorhal wrote: »
    Or are you also attempting to suggest that because there's a variety of factions then there's no problem to be addressed in the Middle East??.

    No, that's a reasonable assertion.


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    #3330
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Nodin wrote: »
    No, because there factually is not.



    You're contradicting yourself there.


    No, that's a reasonable assertion.

    There is no contradiction is saying that Islamism is monolithic be it Sunni or Shia any more then there is a contradiction in saying Communism in the USSR was a monolithic ideology be it Stalinist or Trotskyite. And argument amongst the proponents of an ideology on the best road to the same end so not much of a difference make.

    If it is a reasonable assertion that there is a problem in the middle east, it is a reasonable assertion that the problem is Islamism, just as it was a reasonable assertion that the biggest problem in Eastern Europe was communism.


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    #3331
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭conorhal


    imperator567 wrote: »
    Welcome to the world of Islamo-trots.

    The SWP even claimed Muslims going out to fight ISIS were like youths in the 1930s going off to fight in the Spanish civil war against a dictator.

    Then they can't tell their freedom fighters from their fascists (no surprise there). If they wanted to draw an analogy the Irish leftists that joined the red brigades is a poor one, a better one would be Eoin O'Duffy's Blueshirts that went off the fight with Franco, but eh, nobody ever mentions let alone celebrates those adventurous boyos.


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