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ISIS are pure evil.

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    #3452
    TommyKnocker
    Registered Users Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭TommyKnocker


    old_aussie wrote: »
    isis are pure evil, and again they show their version of islam

    Isis 'crucifies children for not fasting during Ramadan' in Syria

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-crucifies-children-for-not-fasting-during-ramadan-in-syria-10338215.html

    Subjugation, a trade they love to ply.

    Crucify two children, terrify thousands.

    Yesterday an ISIS member stopped the car of Christian couple.
    ISIS member: Are you Muslim?
    Christian man: Yes, I am a Muslim..
    ISIS member: If you are a Muslim, then recite a verse from Qur'an.
    Christian man recited a verse from the bible.
    ISIS member: Okay, y'allah go..
    Later his wife tells him " I cannot believe the risk you just took, Why did you tell him you are a Muslim?, If he knew you were lying, he would have killed both of us..
    "Do not worry, said the man. If they knew Qur'an, they wouldn't kill people".


    ISIS is not Islam and terrorism has no religion!


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    #3453
    Ash.J.Williams
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    latest video jumped the shark....they're just takin the pi$$ at this stage, albeit with innocent peoples lives...


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    #3454
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    TommyKnocker wrote: »
    Yesterday an ISIS member stopped the car of Christian couple.
    ISIS member: Are you Muslim?
    Christian man: Yes, I am a Muslim..
    ISIS member: If you are a Muslim, then recite a verse from Qur'an.
    Christian man recited a verse from the bible.
    ISIS member: Okay, y'allah go..
    Later his wife tells him " I cannot believe the risk you just took, Why did you tell him you are a Muslim?, If he knew you were lying, he would have killed both of us..
    "Do not worry, said the man. If they knew Qur'an, they wouldn't kill people".


    ISIS is not Islam and terrorism has no religion!

    a nice little story…if only things were that simple and clear-cut…


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    #3455
    BoatMad
    Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    ISIS is not Islam and terrorism has no religion!

    so what , ISIS is a personification of the Shia Sunni divide, and the carve up by western imperial interests of the Middle east /turkish/ottoman empire etc. The arabs were royally screwed after both world wars


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    #3456
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    TommyKnocker wrote: »
    ISIS is not Islam and terrorism has no religion!

    Of course it is. Its just a particularly nasty vicious interpretation. Religions always try and get away with their evil by saying 'oh but that isn't real Christianity/islam/hindism/faith etc.' Sorry but that is an utter cop out.


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    #3457
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Hopefully there will be a republican president in 2016 who will take the gloves off and go after them and reverse the damage caused by one of the worst presidents in the history of America Barack Obama

    No thanks. Stay out of it as it's none of their business.


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    #3458
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    No thanks. Stay out of it as it's none of their business.

    It is their business. They created ISIS. In addition at what point do we seriously take a stand against gross human rights violations of the most horrific kind? Or is it okay cause they are brown and far away?


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    #3459
    BoatMad
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    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    It is their business. They created ISIS. In addition at what point do we seriously take a stand against gross human rights violations of the most horrific kind? Or is it okay cause they are brown and far away?

    Nope, its because every western intervention make the problem worse, plain and simple


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    #3460
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    BoatMad wrote: »
    Nope, its because every western intervention make the problem worse, plain and simple

    Thats an over simplification.


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    #3461
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    It is their business. They created ISIS. In addition at what point do we seriously take a stand against gross human rights violations of the most horrific kind? Or is it okay cause they are brown and far away?

    Who's this "we" you talk of? We aren't American. And please don't play the race card "is it okay because the are brown" BS with me. It's not up to the US to solve the crisis, as another poster stated stay home and eat apple pie. The middle east has more than enough military forces to deal with the ISIS issue if they want. I agree with you the US is hugely responsible for creating ISIS with their escapades the last 10 years or so but they can only bring more death and destruction to the region by putting boots on the ground. Leave them to it.


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    #3462
    BoatMad
    Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Thats an over simplification.

    seriously , have you read your military history

    Only the British empire originally knew how to do this correctly , you sent in the military, then the civil servants and your political rulers followed, You stayed " forever".

    sending in a few M1s might solvable the problem for a week or two, but ISIS#2 just reappears because military action cannot solve national problems


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    #3463
    Streetwalker
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    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Thats an over simplification.

    It really isn't, at all.


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    #3464
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    It really isn't, at all.

    No it is. Would it have been better to allow South Korea fall to the same forces as the North, what about Bosnia?


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    #3465
    BoatMad
    Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    No it is. Would it have been better to allow South Korea fall to the same forces as the North, what about Bosnia?

    possibly yes, after all Vietnam managed and now even has a McDonalds.

    Bosnia would have also blown itself out, and perhaps the tensions that remain to this day would therefore have dissipated. ( and Bosnia wasn't a military intervention in any meaningful way, no combat troops on the ground )

    Very few significant military interventions have been successful unless accommodated by serious nation building and a requirement to stay involved for decades and decades , The US in particular has no stomach for this, and as a result has left a trail of chaos in its wake


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    #3466
    Streetwalker
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    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    No it is. Would it have been better to allow South Korea fall to the same forces as the North, what about Bosnia?

    When you look at the situation in the Korean peninsula now then yes. All it's done is put NK on a constant state of "hating the west" and forced millions into starvation. State run communism seems to have done China no harm.

    It's not up the Americans to decide how people around the planet should live.


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    #3467
    fullstop
    Registered Users Posts: 11,375 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    TommyKnocker wrote: »
    Yesterday an ISIS member stopped the car of Christian couple.
    ISIS member: Are you Muslim?
    Christian man: Yes, I am a Muslim..
    ISIS member: If you are a Muslim, then recite a verse from Qur'an.
    Christian man recited a verse from the bible.
    ISIS member: Okay, y'allah go..
    Later his wife tells him " I cannot believe the risk you just took, Why did you tell him you are a Muslim?, If he knew you were lying, he would have killed both of us..
    "Do not worry, said the man. If they knew Qur'an, they wouldn't kill people".


    ISIS is not Islam and terrorism has no religion!

    That's a lovely story, did you read it on Facebook? :rolleyes:


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    #3468
    Menas
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    Early reports are that ISIS are responsible for the terror attack in france this morning. The man arrested had an ISIS flag with him. Remains to be seen if he is a lone operator or part of something bigger.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1508786/man-beheaded-and-islamist-flag-raised-in-france


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    #3469
    RobertKK
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    We will end up with far higher security and spying on people with the way things are going.
    Absolutely horrific what happened in Grenoble.


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    #3470
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    Went through Grenoble last year on the motorbike on a tour of Europe. Lovely sleepy town based at the foot of the alps you wouldn't expect this sort of stuff. Hope it's a lone wolf and not on going.


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    #3471
    [Deleted User]
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    They are literally trolling at this stage and yet the media still love to eat it up with hourly updates.


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    #3472
    BoatMad
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    Streetwalker wrote: »
    Went through Grenoble last year on the motorbike on a tour of Europe. Lovely sleepy town based at the foot of the alps you wouldn't expect this sort of stuff. Hope it's a lone wolf and not on going.

    We will see ongoing " spectaculars " like this as ISIS has realised that one nutter with a flag can do as much damage in the public mind as bringing down a jetliner and can be done with minimal resources and less chance of detection


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    #3473
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    BoatMad wrote: »
    We will see ongoing " spectaculars " like this as ISIS has realised that one nutter with a flag can do as much damage in the public mind as bringing down a jetliner and can be done with minimal resources and less chance of detection

    Disagree. While obviously these attacks are terrible and will provoke public anxiety they aren't nearly as spectacular or impactful as the larger acts of devastation. A few years ago US intelligence discovered that Al Qaeda were suffering angst over the fact they had only been able to manage small attacks or lone wolf style incidents and had failed to repeat anything close to the 9/11 attacks.


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    #3474
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    TommyKnocker wrote: »
    ISIS is not Islam and terrorism has no religion!
    ISIS is actually using Islam the way Mohammed did.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXBgqa-xQwY


    Their punishments are very similar to punishments used in Saudi Arabia, the country that sponsors mosques built in western countries, based on wahabism.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-yousaf-butt-/saudi-wahhabism-islam-terrorism_b_6501916.html

    Tbh, ISIS is islam.


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    #3475
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    BoatMad wrote: »
    [...]Only the British empire originally knew how to do this correctly[...]

    yes, unsurprisingly…after all the brits are the ones most experienced colonising, exploiting, enslaving, raping and massacring tribes and peoples since the roman empire…


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    #3476
    BuilderPlumber
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    biko wrote: »
    ISIS is actually using Islam the way Mohammed did.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXBgqa-xQwY


    Their punishments are very similar to punishments used in Saudi Arabia, the country that sponsors mosques built in western countries, based on wahabism.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-yousaf-butt-/saudi-wahhabism-islam-terrorism_b_6501916.html

    Tbh, ISIS is islam.

    ISIS is one possible form of Islam just like The Spanish Inquisition is one possible form of Christianity. Both are very violent and poor versions btw.

    ISIS are using and embellishing any violent verses they can and often giving them new meanings. Mohammed was a rebel leader against a tyrant and he also advocated self defence and converted people to what was then a more enlightened ethos.

    Saudi Arabia is a backwards fascist dictatorship and the world's number 1 sponsor of terrorism and of hardline hate-fuelled excuses for 'mosques'. Unfortunately, it is also the world's largest oil producer and all the world depends on this Hitler meets Spanish Inquisition hellhole.

    Of course, ISIS and al Qaeda are inspired by SA and it always is odd that this vile organisation is still in control in certain places. Is it they have powerful friends who tolerate them because they want to stem the rise of other countries? Israel maybe turns a blind eye because they rival Hamas? Turkey turns a blind eye because they will do their dirty work for them re Kurdish rebels? The US may turn a blind eye to them so as to keep Iraq the mess it is and never to rival SA? SA tolerates them because they keep Iran occupied? That seems to be the case. ISIS' only enemies seem to be, surprise, surprise, Islamic!


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    #3477
    [Deleted User]
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    ISIS back to their old tricks again, is it coincidental that Saudi Arabia executed a few the other day as well.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35218086
    Islamic State militants have released a video, featuring a man and young boy speaking with British accents, purportedly showing the killing of five men who it says were spying for the UK.
    In the 10-minute film, the man threatens attacks in the UK and says this is a message for David Cameron.
    A boy later appears in the video, which has not been independently verified, talking about killing "unbelievers".
    The UK Foreign Office said it was examining the video's content.
    IS has repeatedly used children in its propaganda videos.


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    #3478
    BorneTobyWilde
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    Spies /?/

    So british people who went to fight for them and probably thought when they got there. '' o ****, not what I was expecting . SO wanted to leave''
    Spies

    Who were those people?


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    #3479
    fr336
    Registered Users Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    ISIS full of **** as per usual. It'd be funny if not so deadly. Still the mentally ill will lap it up and become terrorists for them.


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    #3480
    BorneTobyWilde
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    It must be people who went to join them
    British people
    So they're using them to wind UK up by killing them
    A lesson to people who travel to join them
    UK should spin it that way if it's the case
    They call them spies
    As if UK is sending young men there to join them as spies
    Not likely
    More likely there are British people who joined them


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    #3481
    fr336
    Registered Users Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    It must be people who went to join them
    British people
    So they're using them to wind UK up by killing them
    A lesson to people who travel to join them
    UK should spin it that way if it's the case
    They call them spies
    As if UK is sending young men there to join them as spies
    Not likely
    More likely there are British people who joined them

    No was people from Iraq who were filming ISIS and sending the contents to the BBC. ISIS obviously found them out.


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