ISIS are pure evil.

Frank Grimes

custard gannet wrote: »

Grimey, if you would like to discuss the survey again, bump the old thread. Otherwise, build a bridge.

It was you who brought up the survey.

ScumLord

Frank Grimes wrote: »

What do you mean by this?

Custard has an agenda and no amount of your sciency mumbo jumbo is going to get in the way of his beliefs.

RIGHTisRIGHT

ScumLord wrote: »

Custard has an agenda and no amount of your sciency mumbo jumbo is going to get in the way of his beliefs.

That is one of the most overused meaningless lines uses to try and smear people with everybody has an agenda.:rolleyes:
Your and Frankies are quite clear.

custard gannet

Frank Grimes wrote: »

It was you who brought up the survey.

Indeed I did. As an example of Nodin's tendency to lie when cornered. If you wish to debate said survey further the original thread may still be unlocked.

Frank Grimes

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »

That is one of the most overused meaningless lines uses to try and smear people with everybody has an agenda.:rolleyes:
Your and Frankies are quite clear.

What agenda? That I value methodological rigour?

222233

These stats were from 2006, so are not accurate today but in terms of fundamentalism that already exists in the EU I find this quite frightening.

*One in four British muslims believe London bombings were justified*

*Twenty-eight percent hope for the U.K. one day to become a fundamentalist Islamic state.*

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/

ScumLord

RIGHTisRIGHT wrote: »

That is one of the most overused meaningless lines uses to try and smear people with everybody has an agenda.:rolleyes:
Your and Frankies are quite clear.

It doesn't mean you don't actually have an agenda, your wear your agenda on your sleeve with your username, it's obvious from the outset you're not going to be able to have an opinion that's not completely stuck in one vague ideology.

custard gannet

Nodin, I am asking again.

Why did you lie about the nature of the chain of events in the video?

Why did you try and portray it as being a frustrated local Joe Public taking his frustration out on a bullying racist, rather than what it really was, a local Islamist radical approaching his car and then and striking him? Did you think nobody would bother googling this piece of dirts name?

Incidentally his name doesn't appear to be his birth name, it sounds like what they call a Kunya, a nom de guerre, a stage name for Salafists if you will. The name Saif al Islam translates as Sword of Islam. Nice bloke, clearly.

Why do you persist with this debunk crap regarding the New Year attacks?

Nodin

custard gannet wrote: »

.............

Why do you persist with this debunk crap regarding the New Year attacks?

Because much of what is being said has been shown to be untrue.

Wurzelbert

Frank Grimes wrote: »

So you have no interest in addressing what I am asking? What "Muslim mass immigration" are you talking about exactly anyway? Refugees? Probably because there are a lot of people trying to get out of very bad situations.

As has been pointed out already, it isn't.
Have you any interest in actually backing up your assertions or is it just going to be these sort of deflections?

ah yes, of course…thanks for clarifying that. and there i thought we were having a problem in europe…silly me…

ancapailldorcha

Custard gannet will be taking a month off from here so you'll have a fair wait before getting a response.

bilston

Not ISIS, but Al Qaeda this time.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-35332792

One eye witness spoke of how the gunmen were shaking people they had shot to make sure they were dead, and if they were still alive they finished them off. Horrendous.

edgecutter

bilston wrote: »

Not ISIS, but Al Qaeda this time.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-35332792

One eye witness spoke of how the gunmen were shaking people they had shot to make sure they were dead, and if they were still alive they finished them off. Horrendous.

We need to look at how we can stop these lunatics. I know it's not fair, but if you are going to fight for ISIS or Al Qaeda, then governments should be able to target their families. This would put off a lot of suicide bombers and lunatics.

Harry Palmr

edgecutter wrote: »

We need to look at how we can stop these lunatics. I know it's not fair, but if you are going to fight for ISIS or Al Qaeda, then governments should be able to target their families. This would put off a lot of suicide bombers and lunatics.

Ah now, ISIS/IS/ISIL/whatever members have been known to execute their own mothers, so that won't work!

Nodin

edgecutter wrote: »

We need to look at how we can stop these lunatics. I know it's not fair, but if you are going to fight for ISIS or Al Qaeda, then governments should be able to target their families. This would put off a lot of suicide bombers and lunatics.

.....yes, because people who believe in religious martyrdom to the extent of using themselves as a portable bomb have a problem with family being killed.

stefanovich

edgecutter wrote: »

We need to look at how we can stop these lunatics. I know it's not fair, but if you are going to fight for ISIS or Al Qaeda, then governments should be able to target their families. This would put off a lot of suicide bombers and lunatics.

https://youtu.be/SgKMI1wV0ps?t=465
This is what happens when you arrest the sister of a terrorist who set off a bomb in Stockholm. Apparently the police are terrorising muslims by arresting her.

"British police go to hell!"

Nodin

stefanovich wrote: »

https://youtu.be/SgKMI1wV0ps?t=465
This is what happens when you arrest the sister of a terrorist who set off a bomb in Stockholm. Apparently the police are terrorising muslims by arresting her.

"British police go to hell!"

Doesn't have the catchiness of "what do we want?" "political status!" certainly.

Black and Blue15

edgecutter wrote: »

We need to look at how we can stop these lunatics. I know it's not fair, but if you are going to fight for ISIS or Al Qaeda, then governments should be able to target their families. This would put off a lot of suicide bombers and lunatics.

Absolutely. You go fight for isis then your family should be arrested and maybe deported.

Harry Palmr

Strategically no one really knows what to do, that's clear enough. But tactically states have to stop waiting for the Islamists to strike before acting. The bolt-holes for affiliates are often known and yet they are left to their own devices most of the time. Its time to get pro-active and once starting an initiative keep going until the cell in question is wiped out.

Black and Blue15

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This is what happens when you arrest the sister of a terrorist who set off a bomb in Stockholm. Apparently the police are terrorising muslims by arresting her.

"British police go to hell!"[/QUOTE]

Why are they allowed to stay? Round them up and deport them if they hate the UK. No doubt they're glad to claim all the benefits they can.

stefanovich

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Strategically no one really knows what to do, that's clear enough. But tactically states have to stop waiting for the Islamists to strike before acting. The bolt-holes for affiliates are often known and yet they are left to their own devices most of the time. Its time to get pro-active and once starting an initiative keep going until the cell in question is wiped out.

I can't help thinking Trump might have a point. Is the answer to just stop accepting people from these terrorist hotspots?

stefanovich

Black and Blue15 wrote: »

Why are they allowed to stay? Round them up and deport them if they hate the UK. No doubt they're glad to claim all the benefits they can.

They likely have British citizenship which would make deporting them a tad tricky.

I'd like to see them try something like this in Texas or Arizona. They would literally be shot dead.

Black and Blue15

stefanovich wrote: »

They likely have British citizenship which would make deporting them a tad tricky.

I'd like to see them try something like this in Texas or Arizona. They would literally be shot dead.

Strip them of their citizenship and kick them out, citizenship should be conditional. And it's not as if there ever going to be British anyway. No doubt the UN would raise a fuss but what are they going to do, raise an army and invade Britain?

Nodin

stefanovich wrote: »

They likely have British citizenship which would make deporting them a tad tricky.

I'd like to see them try something like this in Texas or Arizona. They would literally be shot dead.

Having seen footage of black police helping protect a kkk rally, I somehow doubt it.

You seem to think shooting these people down in the street would somehow be an admirable thing, which is rather ironic given that's exactly what the Islamic extremists would do in a similar situation.

stefanovich

Nodin wrote: »

Having seen footage of black police helping protect a kkk rally, I somehow doubt it.

You seem to think shooting these people down in the street would somehow be an admirable thing, which is rather ironic given that's exactly what the Islamic extremists would do in a similar situation.

I don't think shooting them in the street would be admirable. I do however think that people in the southern states are fiercely patriotic and would not tolerate USA hating foreigners marching on their streets.

Nodin

stefanovich wrote: »

I don't think shooting them in the street would be admirable. I do however think that people in the southern states are fiercely patriotic and would not tolerate USA hating foreigners marching on their streets.

...you have a funny way of phrasing it if you don't like the thought of it, it has to be said.

suicide_circus

If only Bush hadn't invaded Burkina Faso for de oil, this attack wud never have happened today

222233

stefanovich wrote: »

https://youtu.be/SgKMI1wV0ps?t=465
This is what happens when you arrest the sister of a terrorist who set off a bomb in Stockholm. Apparently the police are terrorising muslims by arresting her.

"British police go to hell!"

I saw this, the ideology is completely incomprehensible to me, they really have no idea how things should work in a normal society.

I would love to see a study done on the way the brain functions in a radicalised person - is it merely the effects of extreme brainwashing, is it indeed derived from religious belief or is there underlying issues such as attachment issues.

stefanovich

Nodin wrote: »

...you have a funny way of phrasing it if you don't like the thought of it, it has to be said.

I was being matter of fact. If you had a protest like that in Phoenix you wouldn't last long.

Nodin

stefanovich wrote: »

I was being matter of fact. If you had a protest like that in Phoenix you wouldn't last long.

...and again, if that were true, what would be admirable or worthy about such a fact. And don't please hit me with "I don't think shooting them on the street would be admirable", because you seem to have a fixation with the notion.