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ISIS are pure evil.

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    #632
    DeadHand
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    unseenfootage wrote: »
    I don't think they support ISIS . I also think this guy is mistaken about the flag. I checked on the FB page and there aren't any ISIS flags there.

    Agreed!

    ISIS would be ashamed to be associated with Eirigi.


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    #633
    SamHarris
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    I believe the hamas flag might be similar to the Isis one? At least a lot of Islamist flags look similar with the black and white lettering.

    Though either they are incredibly ignorant of Hamas' stated goals (as many are who claim to support them *hint: they don't want a two state solution. Or many Jews around.)

    Its incredibly depressing that there is a huge amount of people in this country whos views on all international affairs can be summed up with "America baaad!" Ironically they are often the first to complain that American views of the world are too black and white and or ignorant. I've never met anyone with strident views who has been well informed when it comes to world politics or history.

    Their reductionism offends me intellectually as much as their politics offends my morals. They need to grow up, quite simply.


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    #634
    unseenfootage
    Registered Users Posts: 976 ✭✭✭unseenfootage


    ^ This is not an Israeli thread and you are equally and incredibly ignorant if you believe that they would have flown the Hamas flag. The flag is the Palestinian flag actually.

    But that little fact would not have afforded you the pretext to go on a pro israel , anti hamas rant.


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    #635
    FTA69
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    The flag in the Eirigi photo is that of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), a left-wing non-sectarian group in Palestine founded by George Habash, an Arab Christian. Their flag is nothing like that of ISIS.

    The flag ye're banging on about is the Black Standard, a black flag with the Shahada (declaration of faith) on it. This, and variations of it, has been used by a multitude of Islamic groups to symbolise jihad but it has much wider connotations than that as well.

    No need to lose the kaks over it.


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    #636
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    gugleguy wrote: »
    Look on Eirigi Ballyfermot;s facebook page.
    Indeed the ISIS flag does show up, as the flag of "The Popular Front for Liberation"

    Wrong.


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    #637
    .jacksparrow.
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    comongethappy wrote: »
    Not implausible.

    They think communism is a good idea, so they wouldn't be the sharpest knives in the set

    And wrong.

    Those bad republican groups supporting terror in the middle east.

    People just can't help themselves to have a dig without doing any proper research.


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    #638
    unseenfootage
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    Great news.

    Operation "Free Yazidis" called off due to much fewer numbers there and their condition is much better than expected. There was no siege as well.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/14/iraq-crisis-us-britain-rescue-yazidis-mount-sinjar#start-of-comments

    Hopefully we'll all get a good nights sleep now.


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    #639
    unseenfootage
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    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    Wrong.

    Does color blindness cause one to see black instead of red?


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    #640
    comongethappy
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    unseenfootage wrote: »
    Great news.

    Indeed.

    Hopefully if ISIS are pushed back, they will be able to go home instead of displacing within Iraq.


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    #641
    unseenfootage
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    comongethappy wrote: »
    Indeed.

    Hopefully if ISIS are pushed back, they will be able to go home instead of displacing within Iraq.

    You're deflecting from the fact that the whole crisis and concern is just a bloody polava.

    At least, half the commentators on the guardian news report seem to think so.

    Cameron must be pretty pissed off having to cut his Portugal getaway by a whole day to deal with a yazidi genocide that never was.


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    #642
    donegal__road
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    I wonder are they planning more air strikes on ISIS, to keep them from arms reach of where the refugees are on the mountain? You would think it couldn't be that difficult...


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    #643
    biko
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    It's "funny" how many of the ISIS fighters are citizens from European countries, having flown in to fight for Allah. They can just return to their European country when they like.

    There are an estimated 500 ISIS fighter with UK citizenship in ME.

    So we can in theory end up with a persecuted Yazidi civilian, seeking asylum in UK, living next door to the ISIS soldier that tried to kill him in Iraq.


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    #644
    Tail Docker
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    biko wrote: »
    It's "funny" how many of the ISIS fighters are citizens from European countries, having flown in to fight for Allah. They can just return to their European country when they like.

    There are an estimated 500 ISIS fighter with UK citizenship in ME.

    So we can in theory end up with a persecuted Yazidi civilian, seeking asylum in UK, living next door to the ISIS soldier that tried to kill him in Iraq.

    And the two of them living next door to the RAF pilot that was bombing to keep them apart.


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    #645
    Geomy
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    Maybe when the republicans get reelected in America they'll take a tougher stance on these rebels....


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    #646
    unseenfootage
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    This commentator sums it up nicely

    "Ok, so now they've put all their troops and military hardware into the region on the pretext of a humanitarian rescue mission, they've realised they don't actually need it because the master intelligence and surveillance services weren't actually, well, masterful and got it a bit wrong.... so they'll just turn all that military focus into assisting and arming the Kurds closer to where the oil production happens.... right, got it...."


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    #647
    comongethappy
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    unseenfootage wrote: »
    You're deflecting from the fact that the whole crisis and concern is just a bloody polava.

    In your opinion.

    The UN said a catastrophe was imminent.
    Air strikes push back ISIS..... People flee from mountainside.

    Just because your preset agenda wants to consider it a "palava" doesn't make it so.

    Had the US sat on their hands & today hundreds of Yazidi lay dead, Im inclined to think you would be in the vanguard blaming America for allowing it to happen.


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    #648
    unseenfootage
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    comongethappy wrote: »
    In your opinion.

    The UN said a catastrophe was imminent.
    Air strikes push back ISIS..... People flee from mountainside.

    Just because your preset agenda wants to consider it a "palava" doesn't make it so.

    Had the US sat on their hands & today hundreds of Yazidi lay dead, Im inclined to think you would be in the vanguard blaming America for allowing it to happen.

    But there was no plan to genocide the Yazidis. The facts speak for themselves.

    - They were exiled.
    - There was no siege.
    - Most of them escaped, many of them to Syria and were then subsequently escorted back to Iraq by the Kurds.

    So once again. The whole think is a polava based on the reports we are getting in western media.

    I mean Guardian , a liberal left newspaper wrote a editorial in support of Obama's intervention in Iraq. Now they seemed to be backtracking and half its commentators are questioning the whole situation.

    Whole bloody polava! That's all it was.


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    #649
    Grayson
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    unseenfootage wrote: »
    I mean Guardian , a liberal left newspaper wrote a editorial in support of Obama's intervention in Iraq. Now they seemed to be backtracking and half its commentators are questioning the whole situation.

    Whole bloody polava! That's all it was.

    half the guardians commentators are always like that. It's because they have a variety of people writing for comment is free.

    now if you can show that half the commentators who wrote articles in support of intervention have changed their minds, then you have a point. But i don't think you'll find many, if even one.


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    #650
    h2005
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    unseenfootage wrote: »
    But there was no plan to genocide the Yazidis. The facts speak for themselves.

    - They were exiled.
    - There was no siege.
    - Most of them escaped, many of them to Syria and were then subsequently escorted back to Iraq by the Kurds.

    So once again. The whole think is a polava based on the reports we are getting in western media.

    I mean Guardian , a liberal left newspaper wrote a editorial in support of Obama's intervention in Iraq. Now they seemed to be backtracking and half its commentators are questioning the whole situation.

    Whole bloody polava! That's all it was.

    They were exiled under threat of murder. If there was no siege why would they need to escape?


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    #651
    DeadHand
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    unseenfootage wrote: »
    ^ This is not an Israeli thread and you are equally and incredibly ignorant if you believe that they would have flown the Hamas flag. The flag is the Palestinian flag actually.

    But that little fact would not have afforded you the pretext to go on a pro israel , anti hamas rant.

    Ironic.

    You've been engaging in whataboutery constantly in this thread. You brought the Mexican mafia into it a one stage.


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    #652
    DeadHand
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    unseenfootage wrote: »
    But there was no plan to genocide the Yazidis. The facts speak for themselves.

    - They were exiled.
    - There was no siege.
    - Most of them escaped, many of them to Syria and were then subsequently escorted back to Iraq by the Kurds.

    So once again. The whole think is a polava based on the reports we are getting in western media.

    I mean Guardian , a liberal left newspaper wrote a editorial in support of Obama's intervention in Iraq. Now they seemed to be backtracking and half its commentators are questioning the whole situation.

    Whole bloody polava! That's all it was.

    The American air strikes and Peshmerga operations in the area were key factors in pushing ISIS back and allowing the Yazidi time to escape in such numbers.


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    #653
    unseenfootage
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    DeadHand wrote: »
    Ironic.

    You've been engaging in whataboutery constantly in this thread. You brought the Mexican mafia into it a one stage.

    That was part of a wider narrative and the mexican mafia was added just for good measure.

    He came here talking about flags and then straight onto defending Israel.


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    #654
    unseenfootage
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    DeadHand wrote: »
    The American air strikes and Peshmerga operations in the area were key factors in pushing ISIS back and allowing the Yazidi time to escape in such numbers.

    Are you sure?

    Not saying that you wrong but the information I got was that the Americans bombed a few ISIS positions that were attacking Irbil.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/08/us-iraq-air-strikes-isis-irbil

    Did they bomb sinjar as well?

    You entitled to your opinions but please support it with verifiable facts.


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    #655
    comongethappy
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    unseenfootage wrote: »
    Did they bomb sinjar as well?

    Iraq said its air force did so, killing 40+ militants & a few vehicles.


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    #656
    unseenfootage
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    comongethappy wrote: »
    Iraq said its air force did so, killing 40+ militants & a few vehicles.

    A couple of posts ago it was america and peshmerga, now its the iraqi airforce.

    Nevertheless. US interference did nothing to help.

    The Yazidis were allowed to leave. They were never under siege. That was all a bunch of lies. Even daily mail readers, have cottoned on to this fraud.


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    #657
    DeadHand
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    unseenfootage wrote: »
    A couple of posts ago it was america and peshmerga, now its the iraqi airforce.

    Nevertheless. US interference did nothing to help.

    The Yazidis were allowed to leave. They were never under siege. That was all a bunch of lies. Even daily mail readers, have cottoned on to this fraud.
    Since Saturday the US has launched four rounds of air strikes on Isis positions, checkpoints, vehicles and artillery in the vicinity of the mountain and the town of Sinjar at its foot. The most recent was a drone strike occurring at midday on Wednesday eastern time. All the strikes have come to the south, south-east and south-west of Mount Sinjar, with the northern slope – apparently where the Yazidis' descent has occurred – left unharassed.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/14/iraq-crisis-us-britain-rescue-yazidis-mount-sinjar

    Far from "did nothing to help" US strikes, along with Peshmerga activity, were instrumental in insuring the Yazidi's escape.

    If the Yazidi were not under siege, what were 30-40 thousand of them doing on a bare mountainside for the past week? Camping trip?

    If ISIS are not active around Mount Sinjar (ie. besieging it) who exactly are the US bombing? Who exactly are the Peshmerga in the area fighting? What are they defending the Yazidi from?


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    #658
    DeadHand
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    unseenfootage wrote: »
    That was part of a wider narrative and the mexican mafia was added just for good measure.

    He came here talking about flags and then straight onto defending Israel.

    Waffle.
    unseenfootage wrote: »
    The beheading started some time back.

    Context does matter. A beheading done in the course of battle is not quite the same as a beheading done during the course of a crime, such as the punishment meted out by Mexican drug cartels.

    Yes, beheadings are particularly brutal but not more than say, a bomb dropped from a drone bomber or a fighter jet, or barrel bombs dropped from helicopters that dismembers and shreds to smithereens its victims, indiscriminately at times.

    As far as I know, IS is not the only group in the region who behead their enemies. There are well documented cases of other groups doing it. It is important to note that this punishment is only done on the battlefield. I have not come across ordinary criminals being beheaded.

    The crucifixions are not proper crucifixions where a person is nailed alive to a cross. The victim is first executed and then "crucified," in public, usually at the Town square. This is done to deter other would be criminals from any evil intentions. Crucifixions are for certain classes of crimes, such as rape or highway robbery which have elements of terrorism against civilians.

    Without minimizing the brutality of IS, there are far worse acts of brutality and violence that occur in Syria. Assad's crimes, from the forced starvation, rapes, torture, massacres, barrel bombs are well documented and witnessed

    IS however, gets the lions share of attention because of their Islamic credentials and their threat to the tyrants who rule over the middle East as well as their threat to Israel.

    Whatboutery.
    unseenfootage wrote: »
    It's far more scummy and cowardly to cold bloodedly murder children in Pakistan, Yemen and Afghanistan from a drone base thousands of miles away in America than to do behead an enemy combatant whom you have caught before he could kill you.

    Whatboutery.
    unseenfootage wrote: »
    We could start with the violence of the IDF and US Army and the violence of IS and the Buddhist monks in Burma and the Christian militia in CAR and maybe finish off with the Shia death squads in Baghdad or even the Mexican drug cartels.

    Whatboutery.


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    #659
    unseenfootage
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    DeadHand wrote: »
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/14/iraq-crisis-us-britain-rescue-yazidis-mount-sinjar

    Far from "did nothing to help" US strikes, along with Peshmerga activity, were instrumental in insuring the Yazidi's escape.

    If the Yazidi were not under siege, what were 30-40 thousand of them doing on a bare mountainside for the past week? Camping trip?

    If ISIS are not active around Mount Sinjar (ie. besieging it) who exactly are the US bombing? Who exactly are the Peshmerga in the area fighting? What are they defending the Yazidi from?

    Fair enough. There were a few strikes.

    They weren't on the north of the mountain.
    There was no siege. IS positions were defense. Their interest at the time was just to secure the town and keep out the peshmerga who had fled. There was absolutely no intention of a genocide. That just just a whole lot of palava.
    All the strikes have come to the south, south-east and south-west of Mount Sinjar, with the northern slope – apparently where the Yazidis' descent has occurred – left unharassed.


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    #660
    unseenfootage
    Registered Users Posts: 976 ✭✭✭unseenfootage


    DeadHand wrote: »

    Whatboutery.

    Again. This is a regional conflict. The MSM have themselves posed the question why America has attacked Iraq but not Syria.

    ISIS is not operating in a vacuum and neither is America.


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    #661
    unseenfootage
    Registered Users Posts: 976 ✭✭✭unseenfootage


    unseenfootage wrote: »
    How many Christians, Druze, Shia or Jews have been murdered by IS?

    http://www.genocidewatch.org/syria.html

    https://www.google.ie/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=genocide+syria

    You claim that IS is more genocidal than Assad?
    Can you please substantiate this?

    Facts and figures please.
    DeadHand wrote: »
    Figures for what ISIS is doing are thin on the ground and they are just getting started (not that I'm saying Assad is finished by any means). Clearly, ISIS have not yet killed more people than Assad but their agendas, ambitions, motivations and policies are more genocidal than his. The organizations rival each other in terms of pure evil and my hope would be that they wear themselves down to the benefit of more moderate forces.

    Fact remains: The Middle East is a safer place with Assad in Damascus than it would be with ISIS there.

    The devil you know.

    Waffle.
    Allegation wholly unproven and unsubstantiated.
    Fact: Assad is Genocidal. ISIS is not.


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