ISIS are pure evil.

h2005

Don't get why anyone would choose to watch a beheading. It's pretty twisted.

Sunglasses Ron

h2005 wrote: »

Don't get why anyone would choose to watch a beheading. It's pretty twisted.

Curiosity. It is part of the news, no matter how grim it may be.

I just watched it- I'm usually a million miles from conspiracy theories and all that but it was...well....odd?

Foley is sitting in the middle of an arid, desert area, yet his demeanor is completely calm and his voice is utterly clear with no background noise, as if it was recorded in a studio rather than a wind swept plain in the Mid East. Crystal clear audio on outdoor footage in a wide open area likely taken on a phone from a few feet away? The beheading isn't actually shown- it begins, goes dark and next thing we see what appears to be his head lying on his body. And no blood is seen during the throat cut. Foley is also completely calm in his speech (although perhaps they have mock executed him several times and he is so psychologically damaged he couldn't care less any more if this is the end?)

Normally I am the first to laugh at conspiracy bollocksology, but I don't know? It nearly seems too well produced, the lack of background noise coupled with crystal clear audio, when it was likely filmed on a phone/ tablet and uploaded (the picture quality seems too poor for any half decent camcorder), not to mention the fade to black at the point of actual beheading, a piece of self censorship that they have never bothered with before, and the picture quality of the video is not truly crystal clear. I don't know. Normally I laugh at these Alex Jones nutters and their youtube videos of their take on things, but this one looks strange.

Of course the most logical explanation could be that the video was dubbed with pre recorded audio, that the fade to black may be because Foley somehow freed himself from the neck grip as it began and put up a fight, and this part is too embarrassing for ISIS to put out there- after all an American fighting them off with his last ounce of strength on the verge of certain death isn't the propaganda they want.

BurnsCarpenter

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

Curiosity. It is part of the news, no matter how grim it may be.

I just watched it- I'm usually a million miles from conspiracy theories and all that but it was...well....odd?

Foley is sitting in the middle of an arid, desert area, yet his demeanor is completely calm and his voice is utterly clear with no background noise, as if it was recorded in a studio rather than a wind swept plain in the Mid East. The beheading isn't actually shown- it begins, goes dark and next thing we see what appears to be his head lying on his body. And no blood is seen during the throat cut, and Foley puts up little resistance.

It wasn't an edited version no? First I heard of discreetly fading away from the actual beheading. (I've been too wussy to watch any of them).

Sunglasses Ron

BurnsCarpenter wrote: »

It wasn't an edited version no? First I heard of discreetly fading away from the actual beheading. (I've been too wussy to watch any of them).

http://www.inquisitr.com/1422999/james-foley-video-doubt/

Full text description there.

The Iraq ones from years ago never spared the gore. This edit is bizarre.

Means Of Escape

nd wrote: »

It's bad enough for me.****ing hell like, that this can happen to human beings is just wrong.

Humanity is lost

19543261

Shakespeare's Sister wrote:

Because something should be done about any form of inhumanity. Obviously. I love these "edgy" keyboard warriors who pretend a really irrational question is being asked when it's completely reasonable.

"something has to be done" Indeed. I think the discussion to be had is "what is a solution".

Humanity on a large scale is dictated generally by self interest, not a loose heroic concept of morality. This has always been the case, and always will be. Whatever happens you can be certain it won't be solely to save innocent lives; in fact, it will without a doubt result in more lost.

tigger123

I know it's a bit reductionist, but I agree with thread title, they are pure evil, and they need to be stamped out.

I didn't support the previous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I'd fully support any boots on the ground in this instance. This thing needs to be nipped in the bud, cos they're not gonna just loose interest in trying to destroy the west.

Duggy747

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

Of course the most logical explanation could be that the video was dubbed with pre recorded audio

The most logical explanation is that he and the executioner are wearing LAV mics as you can see nice and clearly here.

These aren't cave folk, they have good funding and people who know how to produce a video.

unseenfootage

Humorous take on Obama's non interventionist policy in the Middle East.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX1gdpEFAzg

tomwaterford

tigger123 wrote: »

I know it's a bit reductionist, but I agree with thread title, they are pure evil, and they need to be stamped out.

I didn't support the previous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I'd fully support any boots on the ground in this instance. This thing needs to be nipped in the bud, cos they're not gonna just loose interest in trying to destroy the west.

Are they not just out to launch there own country and enjoy relative support on the ground
* this does not Condone there sectarian killings....but I haven't read anywhere that they have interest in destroying the whest

tigger123

tomwaterford wrote: »

Are they not just out to launch there own country and enjoy relative support on the ground
* this does not Condone there sectarian killings....but I haven't read anywhere that they have interest in destroying the whest

From what I understand they want to eventually invade Europe, as far as Spain. This being driven by ideology, instead of being a conflict over land, or oil or whatever. There'll never be any negotiations with them, and for that reason it has to be stamped out.

Gael23

They really are the epitomy of all things evil. They didn't just slit James Foleys throath, they cut his head right off.

amkin25

tigger123 wrote: »

From what I understand they want to eventually invade Europe, as far as Spain. This being driven by ideology, instead of being a conflict over land, or oil or whatever. There'll never be any negotiations with them, and for that reason it has to be stamped out.

I want to eventually become a billionaire,doesn't mean it any chance of happening just because i want it.

Can't believe people honestly buy that they pose any threat to anybody,other than some unarmed civilians in their locality,terrible and tragic as that is,and off course should be stopped if at all possible,but to believe and a rag tag group of jihadists like these could pose a threat to any basic trained,armed force,nevermind anybody in the west is beyond ridiculous.

Means Of Escape

Problem is Europe is infested with hard liners who see this as their chance to rise up.
It will be impossible to stamp this out.
For every 10 that is taken out 50 will join up.
A malaise a true cancer .

buried

amkin25 wrote: »

I want to eventually become a billionaire,doesn't mean it any chance of happening just because i want it.

Can't believe people honestly buy that they pose any threat to anybody,other than some unarmed civilians in their locality,terrible and tragic as that is,and off course should be stopped if at all possible,but to believe and a rag tag group of jihadists like these could pose a threat to any basic trained,armed force,nevermind anybody in the west is beyond ridiculous.

Exactly this. ISIS are no different from the countless armed groups of Islamist militants that have come before, they are cowards, well capable of subjecting violence and terror on ordinary people who have no notion of conflict or raising up weapons against them, just like the Islamist scumbags that subjected the ordinary people of Algeria to violence and terror in the 90's, but just like them ISIS, will end up eating each other if they don't get wiped out by the west, this crowd of fascists can't even decide week on week what to call themselves - ISIL - ISIS - IS?? if they did actually retain some semblance of power they would not be able to decide who to lead them because they are totally hell bent on violence and chaos, nothing more.

Egginacup

tigger123 wrote: »

I know it's a bit reductionist, but I agree with thread title, they are pure evil, and they need to be stamped out.

I didn't support the previous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I'd fully support any boots on the ground in this instance. This thing needs to be nipped in the bud, cos they're not gonna just loose interest in trying to destroy the west.

Chopping off someone's head is always going to be taboo. Personally I don't see it as any more barbaric a way of ending someone's life than a bullet or burning them to death.
And I most certainly don't see it as any more barbaric than American soldiers killing women and then when they realised who they had killed, using knives to try and hack open the bodies and recover the bullets they fired:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/05/world/asia/05afghan.html?_r=0


Charming guys who are keeping us all "safe"

beks101

amkin25 wrote: »

I want to eventually become a billionaire,doesn't mean it any chance of happening just because i want it.

Can't believe people honestly buy that they pose any threat to anybody,other than some unarmed civilians in their locality,terrible and tragic as that is,and off course should be stopped if at all possible,but to believe and a rag tag group of jihadists like these could pose a threat to any basic trained,armed force,nevermind anybody in the west is beyond ridiculous.

Why, exactly? The more I read up about them, the more terrifying they become to me.

Their rate of jihadist recruitment from western countries is alarming. Hundreds of ISIS fighters hold western passports, which will make it easier for them to come here. Their funding is vast and very sophisticated - the kidnapping ransoms, their 'taxation' system, the sale of oil and electricity in areas they seize. They have a very strong social media presence which is a huge drive in their promotion and recruitment.

These guys are more vicious, more professional and more organized than any other terrorist group we've seen before. They've promised to raise their ISIS flag over the White House. The rate at which they've rampaged through villages and murdered innocent civilians and seized cities is alarming. And America is still 'deciding' what to do about them.

From where I'm standing, they're a pretty obvious threat.

Karl Stein

A good all round summation of what's going on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FdnMJyiiwg

Egginacup

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

Curiosity. It is part of the news, no matter how grim it may be.

I just watched it- I'm usually a million miles from conspiracy theories and all that but it was...well....odd?

Foley is sitting in the middle of an arid, desert area, yet his demeanor is completely calm and his voice is utterly clear with no background noise, as if it was recorded in a studio rather than a wind swept plain in the Mid East. Crystal clear audio on outdoor footage in a wide open area likely taken on a phone from a few feet away? The beheading isn't actually shown- it begins, goes dark and next thing we see what appears to be his head lying on his body. And no blood is seen during the throat cut. Foley is also completely calm in his speech (although perhaps they have mock executed him several times and he is so psychologically damaged he couldn't care less any more if this is the end?)

Normally I am the first to laugh at conspiracy bollocksology, but I don't know? It nearly seems too well produced, the lack of background noise coupled with crystal clear audio, when it was likely filmed on a phone/ tablet and uploaded (the picture quality seems too poor for any half decent camcorder), not to mention the fade to black at the point of actual beheading, a piece of self censorship that they have never bothered with before, and the picture quality of the video is not truly crystal clear. I don't know. Normally I laugh at these Alex Jones nutters and their youtube videos of their take on things, but this one looks strange.

Of course the most logical explanation could be that the video was dubbed with pre recorded audio, that the fade to black may be because Foley somehow freed himself from the neck grip as it began and put up a fight, and this part is too embarrassing for ISIS to put out there- after all an American fighting them off with his last ounce of strength on the verge of certain death isn't the propaganda they want.

I don't know why you are bringing up "conspiracy theory bollockology". It's almost like you're trying to excuse yourself for actually, you know, thinking for yourself. Most of the Bin Laden tapes were fakes. Most of those retarded colour-coded "terror" alerts were a random farce akin to that stupid End-Times "rapture" index.

There's every reason to believe that the video was staged. Maybe it was and maybe it wasn't but whether it was real or staged one has to ask "what is there to gain by broadcasting it?"
Well, it terrifies the sh*t out of everyone which is always handy if you want public support for stepping up a military campaign in a foreign land.

I was taught from from a very young age "Question everything you're told"

Egginacup

tigger123 wrote: »

I know it's a bit reductionist, but I agree with thread title, they are pure evil, and they need to be stamped out.

I didn't support the previous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I'd fully support any boots on the ground in this instance. This thing needs to be nipped in the bud, cos they're not gonna just loose interest in trying to destroy the west.

It's quite convenient then that this video actually strengthens your support for further Western intervention in Iraq rather than the opposite.

Egginacup

beks101 wrote: »

Why, exactly? The more I read up about them, the more terrifying they become to me.

Their rate of jihadist recruitment from western countries is alarming. Hundreds of ISIS fighters hold western passports, which will make it easier for them to come here. Their funding is vast and very sophisticated - the kidnapping ransoms, their 'taxation' system, the sale of oil and electricity in areas they seize. They have a very strong social media presence which is a huge drive in their promotion and recruitment.

These guys are more vicious, more professional and more organized than any other terrorist group we've seen before. They've promised to raise their ISIS flag over the White House. The rate at which they've rampaged through villages and murdered innocent civilians and seized cities is alarming. And America is still 'deciding' what to do about them.

From where I'm standing, they're a pretty obvious threat.

beks, why don't you take a deep breath and stop allowing yourself to be so afraid.
People keep saying these ISIS gang are the worst of the worst, that they will not stop until we're all living under Sharia Law or have been beheaded.

Just STOP it, now. They are not going to raise their flag over the White House OR the Dail.
You're allowing your emotions to be manipulated. Are these guys any more violent than the Khmer Rouge who killed millions? Are they any more vicious than the Rwandan Hutus? The same "threat to the world" was trotted out with reference to the Viet Cong, the Russians, Cuba, Grenada.
During the Reagan years people were terrorised into believing that commie hordes from Nicaragua, Guatamala and Honduras were hours away from invading Texas and slaughtering everyone unless Ronnie sent in his thugs. Worked a charm too.

Each new damn conflict that US/NATO embarks upon brings its own litany of lies, propaganda and tactics to scare the bejaysus out of people or to just plain outrage them.

Ghadaffi giving viagra to his troops so they would rape bollocks.
Assad gassing his own people bollocks
WMD bollocks

I might remind you that ISIS are very useful to US/NATO. While they are scaring the knickers off everyone, they can be used to ramp up support for re-invading Iraq and facilitating the ultimate goal of smashing the country up into three pieces which has been the goal from day one. Funnily the same ISIS that are fighting in Syria are being supported by the West. These guys are also killing civilians and chopping off heads and eating people's organs but they are fighting against Assad's government so they are not "extremists" they are euphemistically referred to as "moderates"

It's bollocks.

tigger123

Egginacup wrote: »

It's quite convenient then that this video actually strengthens your support for further Western intervention in Iraq rather than the opposite.

I never said the video strengthens my support, I said I would support western intervention. It has nothing to do with the video.

LorMal

Egginacup wrote: »

beks, why don't you take a deep breath and stop allowing yourself to be so afraid.
People keep saying these ISIS gang are the worst of the worst, that they will not stop until we're all living under Sharia Law or have been beheaded.

Just STOP it, now. They are not going to raise their flag over the White House OR the Dail.
You're allowing your emotions to be manipulated. Are these guys any more violent than the Khmer Rouge who killed millions? Are they any more vicious than the Rwandan Hutus? The same "threat to the world" was trotted out with reference to the Viet Cong, the Russians, Cuba, Grenada.
During the Reagan years people were terrorised into believing that commie hoards from Nicaragua, Guatamala and Honduras were hours away from invading Texas and slaughtering everyone unless Ronnie sent in his thugs. Worked a charm too.

Each new damn conflict that US/NATO embarks upon brings its own litany of lies, propaganda and tactics to scare the bejaysus out of people or to just plain outrage them.

Ghadaffi giving viagra to his troops so they would rape bollocks.
Assad gassing his own people a
WMD bollocks

I might remind you that ISIS are very useful to US/NATO. While they are scaring the knickers off everyone, they can be used to ramp up support for re-invading Iraq and facilitating the ultimate goal of smashing the country up into three pieces which has been the goal from day one. Funnily the same ISIS that are fighting in Syria are being supported by the West. These guys are also killing civilians and chopping off heads and eating people's organs but they are fighting against Assad's government so they are not "extremists" they are euphemistically referred to as "moderates"

It's bollocks.

That's a lot of Bollocks youre talking there Egg.

Egginacup

LorMal wrote: »

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That's a lot of Bollocks youre talking there Egg.

I know, Lor.

I'm bollocksed after that.

Egginacup

Does anyone know what happened to Foley's body? Is it to be repatriated?

Now that he is allegedly dead and the horror has been captured and broadcast, I would find it difficult for those who effected this act to simply throw his remains in an undisclosed location.

If I was a maniac who wanted to send a message by recording myself murdering someone then I would most certainly want them to know that I did it by sending them the head or the body. I wouldn't want to hide the evidence of what I had done on camera.

So, has Foley's remains been recovered?

fr336

Irony http://www.isis-online.org/

LorMal

Egginacup wrote: »

Does anyone know what happened to Foley's body? Is it to be repatriated?

Now that he is allegedly dead and the horror has been captured and broadcast, I would find it difficult for those who effected this act to simply throw his remains in an undisclosed location.

If I was a maniac who wanted to send a message by recording myself murdering someone then I would most certainly want them to know that I did it by sending them the head or the body. I wouldn't want to hide the evidence of what I had done on camera.

So, has Foley's remains been recovered?

Allegedly dead?????? Didn't look like a superficial wound to me..

h2005

Egginacup wrote: »

Does anyone know what happened to Foley's body? Is it to be repatriated?

Now that he is allegedly dead and the horror has been captured and broadcast, I would find it difficult for those who effected this act to simply throw his remains in an undisclosed location.

If I was a maniac who wanted to send a message by recording myself murdering someone then I would most certainly want them to know that I did it by sending them the head or the body. I wouldn't want to hide the evidence of what I had done on camera.

So, has Foley's remains been recovered?

Allegedly?????? Do you think the whole thing was an act? Yes or no will do.

Deco99

h2005 wrote: »

Allegedly?????? Do you think the whole thing was an act? Yes or no will do.

Recent conspiracy theory suggests the video is a fake.

I've no desire to watch it so cant give a personal opinion

WILL NEVER LOG OFF

I can hardly believe IS is real.

It's like some parody spoof movie , starring stereotypical evil villains.

Or 1990's kid's TV.

It would be great to fast-forward to a gang of international kids save the day, like that show, Spellbinders