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ISIS are pure evil.

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    #1442
    Rogaine2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 109 ✭✭Rogaine2


    ahmdoda wrote: »
    Why do you think ISIS established the Islamic state and attempted to restore the Caliphat?

    What's the Caliphat? A pope-like position?


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    #1443
    LordNorbury
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭LordNorbury


    Rogaine2 wrote: »
    What's the Caliphat? A pope-like position?

    Caliphate = the territory

    Caliph = the ruler of the territory


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    #1444
    Rogaine2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 109 ✭✭Rogaine2


    LordNorbury wrote: »
    I'm surprised they haven't taken this lad out yet. I'd give him a month.

    So who is he? The guy on the videos who beheads the people?


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    #1445
    LordNorbury
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭LordNorbury


    Rogaine2 wrote: »
    So who is he? The guy on the videos who beheads the people?

    The self proclaimed Caliph, head of the Islamic State is this guy:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_al-Baghdadi

    http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20140714/371210_Al-Baghdadi.jpg


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    #1446
    Rogaine2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 109 ✭✭Rogaine2


    An Iraqi. We should have seen that coming!


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    #1447
    Mark Tapley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Mark Tapley


    LordNorbury wrote: »
    I hear ya, but these guys are putting it up to the world and I just don't think that there is going to be any toleration whatsoever on the world stage for this, in these times. You can't imprison these guys or try to rehabilitate them back into some sort of a normal society. I reckon any day now, we'll be waking up to a "shock and awe" type missile intervention on a scale not previously seen in this world, that is going to hammer these guys until they haven't as much as a pick up jeep left to move around in, and I don't believe for a second that there will not be an infantry ground invasion. By the time there is one though, there will be so little left of ISIS that it will be more a cleaning up operation than a high risk combat operation.

    I hear ya, you guys , them guys, shock and awe. What part of America are you from?


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    #1448
    LordNorbury
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭LordNorbury


    Mark Tapley wrote: »
    I hear ya, you guys , them guys, shock and awe. What part of America are you from?

    Never been in the US in my life, I'm Dublin born & bred.


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    #1449
    Mark Tapley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Mark Tapley


    LordNorbury wrote: »
    Never been in the US in my life, I'm Dublin born & bred.

    Hey man you watchin too much goddamn teeee veeee.


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    #1450
    LordNorbury
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭LordNorbury


    Mark Tapley wrote: »
    Hey man you watchin too much goddamn teeee veeee.

    Don't think so, just calling a spade a spade.


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    #1451
    Mark Tapley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,193 ✭✭✭Mark Tapley


    LordNorbury wrote: »
    Don't think so, just calling a spade a spade.

    More a comment on dialect than content.


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    #1452
    ahmdoda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 185 ✭✭ahmdoda


    Rogaine2 wrote: »
    What's the Caliphat? A pope-like position?

    A caliphate is an Islamic state ruled by a caliph also known as Amīr al-Mu'minīn or Commander of the Faithful.
    All of the Muslim empires that existed in the Muslim world are described as "Caliphates". the first caliphate was the Rashidun Caliphate founded after mohammed death and lasted 29 years reaching its greatest extent under Caliph Uthman,followed by the Umayyad Caliphate then came the Abbasid Caliphate with the last Caliphate being established by the Ottoman which lasted 624 until 1923 following WW1 the land of the caliphate was then divided in the Sykes–Picot Agreement
    creating the modern Arab world.

    You can now see how from 632 to 1923 the Muslims have always had some sort of a Caliphate lead by various people who descend from the Quraysh tribe since the prophet states that "The imams are from the tribe of Quraish" Hence why Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi-ISIS leader- faked his name to indicate he descend from the tribe to fool the Muslims into believing him, This is what ISIS want, to restore the Caliphate which is to be lead by the Caliph last seen in 1923.They claim that they are the people that will restore the Caliphate who are mentioned in the following Hadeeth by the prophet

    The Prophecy will remain amongst you as long as Allah wills, then when Allah will he will take it away.[by muhammed death] Then it will be Khilafah Rashidah for as long as Allah wishes. Then when he wishes he will take it away. Then there will be hereditary leadership for as long as Allah wills.[ Umayyad Abbasid Ottoman caliphate]Then when Allah wills he will take it away. And then there will be tyrannical rule for as long as Allah wills.[Modern day rulers of the arab world] Then when he wills he will take it away. Then there will be a Khilafah on the method of the Prophet.[ISIS believe it is them] And then the Prophet (SAW) remained silent." [Musnad Imam Ahmed 4/273]


    However any Scholar of Islam will understand that Isis did not Establish a true Caliphate nor did it meet the requirement for one and hence does not represent the Muslim world instead we Muslims believe that its the Mahdi who will appear near the end of times is the one who will restore the Caliphate.


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    #1453
    Rogaine2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 109 ✭✭Rogaine2


    And then there will be tyrannical rule for as long as Allah wills.[Modern day rulers of the arab world] Then when he wills he will take it away.

    How long does Allah will?


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    #1454
    ahmdoda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 185 ✭✭ahmdoda


    Rogaine2 wrote: »
    And then there will be tyrannical rule for as long as Allah wills.[Modern day rulers of the arab world] Then when he wills he will take it away.

    How long does Allah will?

    only allah knows


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    #1455
    daUbiq
    Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭daUbiq


    A huge fuss is being made about the beheadings but the Saudis beheaded 19 criminals on the day the 1st american journalist was beheaded - apparently one of the 19 was beheaded for witchcraft.

    No sign of Obomba carpet bombing Saudi Arabia!


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    #1456
    Rogaine2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 109 ✭✭Rogaine2


    ahmdoda wrote: »
    only allah knows

    Allah is a wee bit sadistic me thinks!


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    #1457
    Rogaine2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 109 ✭✭Rogaine2


    daUbiq wrote: »
    A huge fuss is being made about the beheadings but the Saudis beheaded 19 criminals on the day the 1st american journalist was beheaded - apparently one of the 19 was beheaded for witchcraft.

    No sign of Obomba carpet bombing Saudi Arabia!

    Have you a link to back this claim up?


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    #1458
    daUbiq
    Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭daUbiq


    Rogaine2 wrote: »
    Have you a link to back this claim up?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Arabia

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/9/5/beheadings-floggingsandamputationsjusticesaudistyle.html

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-executes-19-during-half-of-august-in-disturbing-surge-of-beheadings-9686063.html

    Google is your friend although it's rife with yank warmonger bull and propaganda!

    Just to further highlight how medievil America's ally is:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-employer-pours-boiling-water-on-filipino-woman-9397433.html


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    #1459
    Rogaine2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 109 ✭✭Rogaine2


    So - nothing like Americans beheading Eastern people as you claimed?


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    #1460
    daUbiq
    Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭daUbiq


    Rogaine2 wrote: »
    So - nothing like Americans beheading Eastern people as you claimed?

    No idea what you are talking about; that is not what I said -why don't you read the post again?

    This is what I wrote:

    "A huge fuss is being made about the beheadings but the Saudis beheaded 19 criminals on the day the 1st american journalist was beheaded - apparently one of the 19 was beheaded for witchcraft.

    No sign of Obomba carpet bombing Saudi Arabia!"

    Have you tried reading?


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    #1461
    Deco99
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    LordNorbury wrote: »
    The only way to sort this out is a 90 day air campaign, with 200 targets per night, which will leave these guys without as much as a pick up truck left to use.

    Then send in ground troops and round up every last one of them and show them the same mercy that they have shown their captives, down to the last man, execute every one of them. There is no other way of sorting this out that I can see...

    And then onto Saudi Arabia where they do the same stuff?


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    #1462
    o1s1n
    Registered Users Posts: 34,895 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    So ISIS beheading innocent aid workers = Saudi executing criminals now?

    Clutching at straws a little?


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    #1463
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 21,009 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    o1s1n wrote: »
    So ISIS beheading innocent aid workers = Saudi executing criminals now?

    Clutching at straws a little?
    i don't think they were all criminals


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    #1464
    daUbiq
    Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭daUbiq


    o1s1n wrote: »
    So ISIS beheading innocent aid workers = Saudi executing criminals now?

    Clutching at straws a little?

    Not at all - just high lighting the fact that the fuss being made over the beheadings is bollix as it's a common practice throughout the Muslim world - one of those guys was beheaded for witchcraft - the Saudis are just as barbaric, they've got better PR and more money though.


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    #1465
    Rogaine2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 109 ✭✭Rogaine2


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    i don't think they were all criminals

    They are killing each other. They have the option to democratically outlaw killing.

    To behead three aid workers in as many weeks?


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    #1466
    daUbiq
    Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭daUbiq


    Rogaine2 wrote: »
    They are killing each other. They have the option to democratically outlaw killing.

    To behead three aid workers in as many weeks?

    IT'S THE TROLL AGAIN. :D

    Please try harder and try reading the entire article instead of just the headline.


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    #1467
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users Posts: 21,009 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Rogaine2 wrote: »
    They are killing each other. They have the option to democratically outlaw killing.

    To behead three aid workers in as many weeks?
    wha?


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    #1468
    ahmdoda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 185 ✭✭ahmdoda


    daUbiq wrote: »
    Not at all - just high lighting the fact that the fuss being made over the beheadings is bollix as it's a common practice throughout the Muslim world - one of those guys was beheaded for witchcraft - the Saudis are just as barbaric, they've got better PR and more money though.

    I dont think you even know about the concept of witchcraft in Islam and the terrible crimes and harm they do to people since your talking about it so lightly


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    #1469
    o1s1n
    Registered Users Posts: 34,895 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    daUbiq wrote: »
    Not at all - just high lighting the fact that the fuss being made over the beheadings is bollix as it's a common practice throughout the Muslim world - one of those guys was beheaded for witchcraft - the Saudis are just as barbaric, they've got better PR and more money though.

    Beheading two US journalists and a UK aid worker (and threatening to behead another aid worker) all the while taping the murders, making threats against major western powers and then uploading them online is not a common practice - and of course a fuss is going to be made.

    It's in no way comparative with executions in Saudi. Even if the execution style is similar. There's a lot more to it than that.


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    #1470
    daUbiq
    Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭daUbiq


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Beheading two US journalists and a UK aid worker (and threatening to behead another aid worker) all the while taping the murders, making threats against major western powers and then uploading them online is not a common practice - and of course a fuss is going to be made.

    It's in no way comparative with executions in Saudi. Even if the execution style is similar. There's a lot more to it than that.

    Of course there is... I was simply bringing this to everyone's attention. The Americans warmongers practically created ISIS and if they believe bombing them into next week will fix it, they are gravely mistaken... I'm sure you and anyone with half a brain knows this, obviously this doesn't include our troll friend Rogaine. The Iranians and the Saudis will simply bankroll another group of Muslim men whose fathers were killed by American extremists, and then the whole thing repeats itself.

    Everyone knows the Saudi justice system is barbaric with the beheadings and hangings, etc., yet the yanks have allied themselves with this country and it's cruel and medieval justice system.

    In my opinion, American extremism has created Islamic extremism and they have absolutely no idea how to counter it without the use of extreme violence. Of course, various people and corporations will make lots and lots of money when the bombs start dropping but don't let that affect your justification for another slaughter.


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    #1471
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    ahmdoda wrote: »
    I dont think you even know about the concept of witchcraft in Islam and the terrible crimes and harm they do to people since your talking about it so lightly

    what harm can witchcraft actually do?
    turn someone into a frog?


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