ISIS are pure evil.

Annasopra

kstand wrote: »

Not at the time but now you have ISIS and rest assured that there will be copycat killings in the name of what they are doing if or rather when this thing escalates.
This isn't a country you're dealing with - it doesn't matter what nationality or what race, the call is going out to all Muslims everywhere. Plenty of aggressive and angry young men out there listening.

And there are plent of Muslims condemining them.

Gatling

Extremely bizarre ,

Even in this day and age

conorh91

Standman wrote: »

What on earth are they expecting to accomplish with this? Are they just trying to humiliate the poor journalist

They're trying to do terrorism, i.e. terrify people.

They're succeeding spectacularly, from their warped point of view.

Gatling

conorh91 wrote: »

They're trying to do terrorism, i.e. terrify people.

They're succeeding spectacularly, from their warped point of view.

Who ever is running there media wing is very well versed ,

RobertKK

Carolina Bitter Silverfish wrote: »

Lee Rigby's murder had nothing to do with ISIS.

No, but the mentality behind it was the same reason for doing it.

BuilderPlumber

RobertKK wrote: »

No, but the mentality behind it was the same reason for doing it.

Exactly. It does not matter if it is ISIS or al Qaeda. The IDEA is out there and it does not have to be done by a 'Muslim' either. Copycats can come from anywhere and the idea is harder to kill than the ISIS members!

Brevik, McVeigh and others are examples of non-'Islamic' terrorists who were just as bad. the Central African LRA terrorists are as bad as ISIS or al Qaeda in what they do only their anger is directed at fellow Africans and not the West.

BuilderPlumber

conorh91 wrote: »

They're trying to do terrorism, i.e. terrify people.

They're succeeding spectacularly, from their warped point of view.

Unfortunately, terrorism works. Look at how 9/11 caused the West to change its policies and go to war. The achievement was chaos in Iraq allowing ISIS to gain power. Now every regime in the Middle East is afraid of them and it is exactly this what they want to achieve. An American war against Iran would be very helpful for them and that would be the ultimate disaster. An Iran in chaos like Iraq and Afghanistan would allow ISIS and/or al Qaeda to connect their East stronghold to their West stronghold.

The plan after 9/11 seemed to be: US was going to attack the Taliban: let's sacrifice them. The important members anyway had a backup and Omar remains at large! Then, they knew Bush would go into Iraq. And they provided the chaos. They hoped then for an attack on Iran. They then saw the Arab Spring as a godsend and Syria in particular. The economic downturn another godsend and part caused by 9/11 and Iraq and also a recruiting ground for disillusioned, unemployed young men of Pakistani or N. African descent in Britain and France.

So far, militant fascist Sunni Islam has 3 main strongholds: Iraq/Syria, Parts of Arab-dominated North, East and West Africa and Afghanistan/tribal Pakistan. Israel, Ethiopia, Iran are the countries that do not allow them to join up. But poor functioning central governments in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya and Mali have all helped ISIS, AQIM and mainstream al Qaeda very well. Their plan is working out well overall unfortunately. 'Islamic' extremism is stronger now than it was in a long time.

BuilderPlumber

With this horrid news from Australia, ISIS now seems to be replacing al Qaeda as an international brand for all Sunni-derived terror. It seems to be in their warped view Iraq invading the countries that invaded Iraq!

Unfortunately, the message is out there. The shortening from ISIS or ISIL to IS means the expansion goes beyond the Iraq/Syria region. The call of a 'Caliph' to uprise and dominate Islam. The problem is more those who copy ISIS than those in ISIS. As we know, bin Laden is dead but what he and his associates founded lives on through al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, AQIM and others.

Modern Arab rebel terrorists have all used foreign fighters in recent years. Bring them and attract them to hotspots like Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Chechnya and Afghanistan. Then they go back home radicalised and brainwashed to hit the West. We can see that many notorious terrorists in countries like Iraq are foreigners: Jihad John obviously, Zarqawi too.

Using foreign fighters is not new. We in Ireland know well about this. Many Irish kings used 'gallowglass' (gal oglaigh: foreign warriors literally) warriors from Scotland and England to supplement their defences in localised wars and to prevent cattle raids. The names of our counties Galway and Donegal are derived from these people as are surnames like 'Gallagher'. Later, the French and Spanish used many Irish ex Earls and their soldiers in wars against England. Religious fascism is not new either. The Spanish inquisition anybody? But, we expect the human race to become more civilised nowadays. Instead, things seem to get worse and worse: ISIS and similar will kill people who are not their race and religion for that reason only. They define true evil.

RobertKK

Islamic State have said they plan on assassinating the Pope and raising the black flag of IS over St Peter's basilica.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/09/17/isis-has-plan-to-assassinate-pope-and-plant-jihadi-flag-on-top-of-st-peters-basilica-in-vatican-city/

Pope Francis is at risk of an assassination attempt by ISIS extremists, the Vatican has been warned before his first visit to a Muslim-majority country this weekend.

Iraq’s ambassador to the Holy See said yesterday that there were credible threats to the Pope’s life as he prepares to visit Albania on Sunday.
The 77-year-old pontiff could also be vulnerable when he travels to Turkey in November, Habeeb al-Sadr said.
Jihadists from Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham have in recent weeks boasted of wanting to extend their so-called caliphate to Rome, and have talked of planting the jihadi black flag on top of St Peter’s Basilica.


Mr. Sadr said there were also indications of a more specific threat against the Pope, who he said had made himself a target by speaking out against abuses committed against Christians in Syria and Iraq, as well as expressing his support for the US in its efforts to halt the advance of ISIS.
“What has been declared by the self-declared Islamic State is clear: they want to kill the Pope. The threats against the Pope are credible,” the ambassador told Italy’s La Nazione newspaper yesterday.


“I believe they could try to kill him during one of his overseas trips or even in Rome. There are members of ISIS who are not Arabs but Canadian, American, French, British, also Italians. ISIS could engage any of these to commit a terrorist attack in Europe.”

The Albanian authorities have increased security for the Pope today. The Pope has been very vocal in speaking out against Islamic State and the atrocities they are committing, while supporting the US led actions against them.

Minjor

Now a Frenchman has been kidnapped in Algeria by a militant group there that are loyal to the IS.

Poor man.

myshirt

And Tony Blair is back.

Few teasers there on Sky News; to find out more you'll have to attend one of his £15,000 a pop dinner speeches.

fr336

myshirt wrote: »

And Tony Blair is back.

Few teasers there on Sky News; to find out more you'll have to attend one of his £15,000 a pop dinner speeches.

Oh just let me clear out my bank account now!

Minjor

myshirt wrote: »

And Tony Blair is back.

Few teasers there on Sky News; to find out more you'll have to attend one of his £15,000 a pop dinner speeches.

Looking forward to George Galloways upcoming documentary "The Killing of Tony Blair" The killing the title refers to is the massive amount of money Blair is making off the back of the war in Iraq, like the dinner speeches you mentioned.

Hopefully it does enough to bring him to the Hague.

As for him being the Middle East peace envoy, I mean WTF?

BuilderPlumber

Minjor wrote: »

Now a Frenchman has been kidnapped in Algeria by a militant group there that are loyal to the IS.

Poor man.

That's exactly the problem with this IS/ISIS/ISIL. It is inspiring other nutcases to follow it. The Lee Rigby incident was not done by ISIS but it comes from the same al Qaedaism that has inspired ISIS.

The problem is in the very name changes. al Qaeda, meaning 'the base', is not very 'Islamic'. ISIS and ISIL is too region specific, same with AQIM. But 'ISLAMIC STATE' is generic and can apply to anywhere. It calls to Muslims from Ireland to Indonesia to belong to this, inspiring terrorism in London or Lahore, Toronto or Tehran, Cairo or Copenhagen. Each diverse city mentioned being in a country ISIS does not like (showing their range of hatred for a lot of places and their people).

While their hatred for America is massive, America will not bear the worst of their attrocities. First off, it will be countries in the Middle East and then it will be European countries like the UK and France who have large Muslim populations. ISIS types thrive in secret in large communities and then strike with their attacks. Their aim is to shock. Look at what has been happening in Syria?: crucifixions, beheadings and stonings being order of the day. Not to mention torture using guns like shooting kneecaps out and the like before people are killed. The Lee Rigby incident is a taste of what such organisations want to bring to the streets of London and many other European cities.

BuilderPlumber

Minjor wrote: »

Looking forward to George Galloways upcoming documentary "The Killing of Tony Blair" The killing the title refers to is the massive amount of money Blair is making off the back of the war in Iraq, like the dinner speeches you mentioned.

Hopefully it does enough to bring him to the Hague.

As for him being the Middle East peace envoy, I mean WTF?

I can't understand for one minute why this Blair can go around lecturing on this and that despite his very tarnished reputation. He is one of the main architects of why we are faced with the likes of ISIS today.

The same with this so-called 'Arab spring'. Embraced by the West and named after the 1960s-1980s struggle that helped end 'communism' in Eastern Europe: The Prague Spring of 1968 and its more successful sequel of 1989. Only difference? There were no al Qaeda and ISIS in Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, etc.

The Iraq war was supposed to get rid of Saddam and turn Iraq overnight into a Western style democracy that would be rich and peaceful. The Arab spring would do the same to a post-Gadafi Libya and post-Assad Syria. Only NOW it has been recognised that such policies have failed.

Blair's legacy has been one of failure and aggression. Yes, his heart may well have been in the right place at first (bringing democracy to these countries would have been great: but Blair and co had no understanding that this will not happen overnight in any of the Middle East's very divided countries and needed thought and a more longterm solution not wars and arming troublemakers) but he became obsessed and stopped at nothing to achieve his goals. Lies about WMD etc. Bribery of other politicians. Dodgy deals with 'Islamist' thugs. And now it has backfired but Blair himself will not be the one who suffers.

Killer Wench

And so it begins... the airstrikes in Syria.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/22/syria-airstrikes_n_5865344.html

JONJO THE MISER

About time, a nice fire show to guide them back to hell.

Lucy and Harry

Nice to see Bahrain and Saudi Arabia and other countries bombing them to bits.Showing them not only USA is against them but the whole world including many Sunni majority governments.

conorhal

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

Nice to see Bahrain and Saudi Arabia and other countries bombing them to bits.Showing them not only USA is against them but the whole world including many Sunni majority governments.

Except they're not, it's a PR excercise by the US who are bombing 'supported by' a list of nations that are providing a tiny ammount of logistical support, no UAE, Saudi or any other Arab nation has planes involved. Of course it's just a PR move by them too to placate the Americans. Saudi is a bit like Pakistan, and ally in the 'war on terror' that is actually it's worst offender, but they need to sell oil and the US need local bases so each side turns a blind eye. If you really wanted to end the war on terror you bomb the Saudi's first, they and the likes of Qatar are funding it.

SEPT 23 1989

Hopefully the heavy bombing is a nightly event and it gets much heavier

BuilderPlumber

conorhal wrote: »

Except they're not, it's a PR excercise by the US who are bombing 'supported by' a list of nations that are providing a tiny ammount of logistical support, no UAE, Saudi or any other Arab nation has planes involved. Of course it's just a PR move by them too to placate the Americans. Saudi is a bit like Pakistan, and ally in the 'war on terror' that is actually it's worst offender, but they need to sell oil and the US need local bases so each side turns a blind eye. If you really wanted to end the war on terror you bomb the Saudi's first, they and the likes of Qatar are funding it.

Exactly. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan were both important US allies in the war against the USSR in Afghanistan. al Qaeda was created and born out of this. Make no mistake about it, Saudi Arabia's mission was always to export the intolerant Wahabi form of Sunni Islam. The Taliban regime and many others copied their example.

I find it strange the way the US has after 9/11 and even before lambasted minor players like Iraq, Iran and Syria while leaving the big fish alone. Saudi Arabia is responsible for the funding of near 100% of 'Islamic' terrorist organisations. Hamas, al Qaeda, perhaps even ISIS all benefited. Only when PR turns against them or these organisations become a threat to SA itself does the funding stop.

What is even more strange is the Israeli attitude. SA is the most violently anti-Israel state in the Middle East and is responsible for near 100% of Hamas' budget and Islamic Jihad's budget too. Yet, we rarely hear Israel condemn SA like it does other weak non-threats. Iran, Iraq and Syria (3 weak countries ravaged by war -yes, even Iran: their war with Iraq is remembered to this day and that combined with a failed 'revolution' has rendered the country poor to this day- with no appetite to start another if truth be known) are the punchbags for the West and Israel. SA is far stronger and richer, has not been ravaged by war, sells cheap oil and funds all the terrorists the others are accused of aiding.

Lucy and Harry

Still wondering how we are meant to have a world cup in Qatar.

Only 20 Isis militants are dead after last night after 50 bombs dropped.There are thousands of Isis 20 will not make any mark.We need to get this Caliphate and kill him.The man thinks he is a prophet from God.

wretcheddomain

Lucy and Harry wrote: »

Still wondering how we are meant to have a world cup in Qatar.

Only 20 Isis militants are dead after last night after 50 bombs dropped.There are thousands of Isis 20 will not make any mark.We need to get this Caliphate and kill him.The man thinks he is a prophet from God.

Just for a point of clarification, it's the Caliph (al-Baghdadi) who is said to rule the Caliphate.

Ash.J.Williams

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Just for a point of clarification, it's the Caliph (al-Baghdadi) who is said to rule the Caliphate.

what are you clarifying?

tiger55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1zGJApfbDc

wretcheddomain

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

what are you clarifying?

The word Caliphate has been repeatedly misused in this thread, the latest one referring to the leader as the Caliphate and 'he (the Caliphate) must be destroyed'.

tiger55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R67v_a5aots

Footage here.

FSA cheering on Israel.

The plane is obviously in Syria as the Golan Heights is deserted as the Syrians were ethnically cleansed by Israel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7YM8hwwwco

tiger55

RobertKK wrote: »

It is scary what IS/ISIS/ISIL have planned. We had it in London when Lee Rigby was attacked and murdered in a most savage way. I don't think he was the first and the last who will be attacked this way on a street in a western style country.
One wouldn't have though Australia would be facing this frightening prospect that was uncovered.

They have been funded by Mossad/Saudi Arabia and the West you dope.

ISIS Leader Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi Trained by Israeli Mossad, NSA Documents Reveal

http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-by-israeli-mossad-nsa-documents-reveal/5391593

Defender OF Faith

40 countries want to fight the ISIS while not one wants to stop Assad slaughtering kids and using chemical weapons! The situation with Isis is much more complicated then people think they were painted as a representation of pure Evil however the fall of Isis will mean the return of the oppression and aggression to the Sunni population of Iraq and Syria whom Isis liberated

Ash.J.Williams

wretcheddomain wrote: »

The word Caliphate has been repeatedly misused in this thread, the latest one referring to the leader as the Caliphate and 'he (the Caliphate) must be destroyed'.

doesn't takea genius to figure out what the person meant...it's boards