ISIS are pure evil.

BuilderPlumber

tiger55 wrote: »

They have been funded by Mossad/Saudi Arabia and the West.

This is pretty obvious unfortunately. Will the governments of the West ever learn?

In 1979, the USSR invaded Afghanistan and the West supported and armed the Saudi-trained and Saudi-dominated Mujahedin. Among them were the likes of Zawahiri and bin Laden.

In 1999, the US and al Qaeda fought side by side in Kosovo.

In 2003, the US toppled Saddam. al Qaeda then took control of Iraq.

In 2011, the US embraced the so-called Arab spring. It backed 'Islamic' fascists in Egypt, Syria and Libya. Yes, training and arms were given directly and with knowledge of it to AQIM and ISIS.

Madness all of it. What always happens? These organisations take all they can from the US/West and then defeat a Western enemy. They then turn on the West and become a problem. 'Islamic' fascism has been nurtured by the West and made powerful by Western support. It is the US and its West that has given them ironically their world domination ambitions. The Afghan mujahedin were not only trained to get the USSR out of Afghanistan but to if possible spread into the Muslim SSRs to the north of Afghanistan too.

Its Only Ray Parlour

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

I find it strange the way the US has after 9/11 and even before lambasted minor players like Iraq, Iran and Syria while leaving the big fish alone. Saudi Arabia is responsible for the funding of near 100% of 'Islamic' terrorist organisations. Hamas, al Qaeda, perhaps even ISIS all benefited. Only when PR turns against them or these organisations become a threat to SA itself does the funding stop.

Why do you find it strange? Saudi Arabia is America's second largest source of oil. They won't be invading them anytime soon, even though the Saudis use some of that money to fund ISIS and the likes.

Owldshtok

When all the geopolitical debates about various conflicts and conspiracies are all talked about the fact is the likes of ISIS,al qaeda and all associated with their ideology are utter SCUM.

sparksfly

Owldshtok wrote: »

When all the geopolitical debates about various conflicts and conspiracies are all talked about the fact is the likes of ISIS,al qaeda and all associated with their ideology are utter SCUM.

Yes, utter scum armed and supported by the west when it suits. Makes the US and its NATO cronies equally scummy

opinionated3

French hostage has also been beheaded today by an algerian terrorist group claiming loyalty to isis. The whole world including ourselves should be uniting to crush these vile animals.

Fratton Fred

opinionated3 wrote: »

French hostage has also been beheaded today by an algerian terrorist group claiming loyalty to isis. The whole world including ourselves should be uniting to crush these vile animals.

The whole world except the US and Britain, because they would just be accused of going after oil.

My name is URL

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The whole world except the US and Britain, because they would just be accused of going after oil.

There's half a dozen countries involved other than the US and Britain

Obama didn't even mention Britain when he talked about it earlier

Noting that he had “made clear that America would act as part of a broad coalition,” the President declared at the White House: “That’s exactly what we've done.”

Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Jordan and Qatar all participated in the operation, the U.S. military said. Bahrain, Jordan, and the UAE all said they took part in the airstrikes. Saudi Arabia did as well, the U.S. military said, and Qatar played a supporting role.

“The strength of this coalition makes it clear to the world that this is not America’s fight alone,”

Although...

British Defense Secretary Michael Fallon said, “The UK supports the airstrikes launched by the U.S. and regional allies last night,” the Defense Ministry said on Twitter.

http://fox8.com/2014/09/23/u-s-arab-nations-strike-isis-in-syria-u-s-hits-2nd-terror-group/

LorMal

sparksfly wrote: »

Yes, utter scum armed and supported by the west when it suits. Makes the US and its NATO cronies equally scummy

Sorry but no it doesn't. Please keep a bit of perspective here. None in NATO is beheading innocent people, butchering men, women and children, insisting on Sharia law etc
It is not equivalent.

myshirt

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The whole world except the US and Britain, because they would just be accused of going after oil.

Accused of going after the oil?

Of course they are going after the oil!

LorMal

myshirt wrote: »

Accused of going after the oil?

Of course they are going after the oil!

The West - damned if they do, damned if they don't. Lefties annoy me - all they seem to want is to undermine the US - 'it's all a conspiracy for oil'...ad nauseum.
Meanwhile in the real world another poor innocent man was beheaded today.

sparksfly

LorMal wrote: »

Sorry but no it doesn't. Please keep a bit of perspective here. None in NATO is beheading innocent people, butchering men, women and children, insisting on Sharia law etc
It is not equivalent.

Supporting rotten regimes makes you as bad as them no matter what perspective you take.

Egginacup

Owldshtok wrote: »

When all the geopolitical debates about various conflicts and conspiracies are all talked about the fact is the likes of ISIS,al qaeda and all associated with their ideology are utter SCUM.

Yeah, but when they've done their beheading, bomb-planting and torturing people who might rat them out, then they go home and play with their kids.
Sure, isn't that what any man would want?

sparksfly

LorMal wrote: »

The West - damned if they do, damned if they don't. Lefties annoy me - all they seem to want is to undermine the US - 'it's all a conspiracy for oil'...ad nauseum.
Meanwhile in the real world another poor innocent man was beheaded today.

In the real world the us have supported the most vile and murderous groups imaginable. Fools still defend them. Anyone who points this out is a leftie or a commie. That's what annoys me.

Roger Hassenforder

sparksfly wrote: »

In the real world the us have supported the most vile and murderous groups imaginable. Fools still defend them. Anyone who points this out is a leftie or a commie. That's what annoys me.

you're entitled to your opinion & I don't think you're a leftie or a commie.
However, every time I hear people like who denounce the yanks or brits, I'm reminded of that hideously overacted scene from 'A Few Good Men'.

I don't know what the world would be like if it wasn't for the US and British sticking their oars in, and fcukin up various countries, and I'm not condoning what they have done, but do you know what, if push comes to shove, I know who I'll be throwing my lot in with. Their way of life is most compatible with mine and what I aspire for my kids. if I am a fool, at least I'm not a hypocrite. I need people like them "on the wall".

And at the risk of sounding overly dramatic, if I've to make a choice between the blue star of david or the black flag of IS, where's my Uzi and kippah...

The world is what it is, some bad ****e has/is happening, so next time you suck your skinny latte on your ipad, on some free wi-fi in Starbucks, exercising your freedom of expression, you might consider what the world would be like now for people like us without them. Better? Worse? Worse I think.

If it wasnt the US, it would be some other great satan for these guys.

Egginacup

LorMal wrote: »

The West - damned if they do, damned if they don't. Lefties annoy me - all they seem to want is to undermine the US - 'it's all a conspiracy for oil'...ad nauseum.
Meanwhile in the real world another poor innocent man was beheaded today.

What about the South or the East-North-East?

Sunnyisland

THE HAGUE, Netherlands — The Dutch government says it will send six F-16 fighter jets to strike at the Islamic State extremist group in Iraq. Meanwhile, Belgium is also sending six F-16s to support operations.





http://nypost.com/2014/09/24/netherlands-will-send-f-16-jets-to-fight-isis/

Ireland should send or help in anyway it can in this fight,no point sitting on the fence and doing nothing at all,IMO.

I was against intervention against ISIS.

Now that Top Gun is starting on Film 4, all I can think of is "AIRSTRIKES! NOW!"

Egginacup

realies wrote: »

THE HAGUE, Netherlands — The Dutch government says it will send six F-16 fighter jets to strike at the Islamic State extremist group in Iraq.


http://nypost.com/2014/09/24/netherlands-will-send-f-16-jets-to-fight-isis/

Ireland should send or help in anyway it can in this fight,no point sitting on the fence and doing nothing at all,IMO.

Ireland has to fight a bunch of nutcases that were armed and unleashed by the very people who are now trying to rein them in?



Off you go, mate. I'm off fishing in the gentle countryside.
Give a bunch of psychos some money and guns to topple Assad and then when they go postal loving their new role then you only have yourself to blame.

Bring back the Taliban. Times were simpler then.

My name is URL

realies wrote: »

THE HAGUE, Netherlands — The Dutch government says it will send six F-16 fighter jets to strike at the Islamic State extremist group in Iraq. Meanwhile, Belgium is also sending six F-16s to support operations.





http://nypost.com/2014/09/24/netherlands-will-send-f-16-jets-to-fight-isis/

Ireland should send or help in anyway it can in this fight,no point sitting on the fence and doing nothing at all,IMO.

Irish troops are already in Syria, acting as grunts to protect Israeli borders from the Syrian government that are actually fighting IS

God bless the UN & geopolitics :rolleyes:

Fratton Fred

Egginacup wrote: »

Ireland has to fight a bunch of nutcases that were armed and unleashed by the very people who are now trying to rein them in?



Off you go, mate. I'm off fishing in the gentle countryside.
Give a bunch of psychos some money and guns to topple Assad and then when they go postal loving their new role then you only have yourself to blame.

Bring back the Taliban. Times were simpler then.

There's effectively a three way fight in Syria. Assad's lot, the rebels backed by "the west" and ISIS. ISIS has not received any backing from the US, they are simply exploiting the power vacuum the civil war has created.

Roger Hassenforder

My name is URL wrote: »

Irish troops are already in Syria, acting as grunts to protect Israeli borders from the Syrian government that are actually fighting IS

God bless the UN & geopolitics :rolleyes:

Id say the IDF wake up every morning and thank god for the Irish army keeping their borders safe...

Not to denigrate from what they are actually doing, and doing it very well, but when it kicked off in that part last week, the UN pulled back to be closer to the Israeli forces.

glued

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Id say the IDF wake up every morning and thank god for the Irish army keeping their borders safe...

Not to denigrate from what they are actually doing, and doing it very well, but when it kicked off in that part last week, the UN pulled back to be closer to the Israeli forces.

The IDF have been trying to pull out of Syria since they were fired upon. Another set of troops were meant to be going out sometime this month to replace the IDF over there but it was decided to keep the current Irish troops stationed in Syria over there.

In fairness the Irish troops aren't really trained or equipped for a real combat situation.

old_aussie

glued wrote: »

The IDF have been trying to pull out of Syria since they were fired upon. Another set of troops were meant to be going out sometime this month to replace the IDF over there but it was decided to keep the current Irish troops stationed in Syria over there.

In fairness the Irish troops aren't really trained or equipped for a real combat situation.

It was all rar rar rar till someone fired a real bullet at them, now they want to come home.

When the going gets tough the irish get going.....home.

old_aussie

My name is URL wrote: »

Irish troops are already in Syria, acting as grunts to protect Israeli borders from the Syrian government that are actually fighting IS

God bless the UN & geopolitics :rolleyes:

Israel, can protect its own boarders, they don't need the irish.

Where were the irish when Syria attacked Isreal in the Yom Kippur war?

Egginacup

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

you're entitled to your opinion & I don't think you're a leftie or a commie.
However, every time I hear people like who denounce the yanks or brits, I'm reminded of that hideously overacted scene from 'A Few Good Men'.

I don't know what the world would be like if it wasn't for the US and British sticking their oars in, and fcukin up various countries, and I'm not condoning what they have done, but do you know what, if push comes to shove, I know who I'll be throwing my lot in with. Their way of life is most compatible with mine and what I aspire for my kids. if I am a fool, at least I'm not a hypocrite. I need people like them "on the wall".

And at the risk of sounding overly dramatic, if I've to make a choice between the blue star of david or the black flag of IS, where's my Uzi and kippah...

The world is what it is, some bad ****e has/is happening, so next time you suck your skinny latte on your ipad, on some free wi-fi in Starbucks, exercising your freedom of expression, you might consider what the world would be like now for people like us without them. Better? Worse? Worse I think.

If it wasnt the US, it would be some other great satan for these guys.

Nobody is threatening your "way of life". You're just being spoonfed propaganda to keep you in a constant state of fear. Same thing was said about the communists. People were convinced by their government that if the US didn't fight in Vietnam then Asia would topple like dominoes to the red menace and before you know it we'd all be living in labour camps.

Well the Vietnamese finally defeated and kicked out the Americans and guess what? They [Vietnamese] then went about rebuilding their little country and their lives. No red menace swept over the world. It was all bullsh!t

Egginacup

Fratton Fred wrote: »

There's effectively a three way fight in Syria. Assad's lot, the rebels backed by "the west" and ISIS. ISIS has not received any backing from the US, they are simply exploiting the power vacuum the civil war has created.

ISIS (I don't even know who made up that name but the guys who are alleged to be ISIS members most likely don't call themselves that) are being fought by the US in Iraq and are being funded by the US in Syria. They just call them "moderates" when they fund them and "extremists" when they fight them.

2smiggy

what happened al-qaeda ? suddenly any thing that happens any way related to 'terrorism' , they seem to be somehow linked to ISIS ?

Egginacup

old_aussie wrote: »

It was all rar rar rar till someone fired a real bullet at them, now they want to come home.

When the going gets tough the irish get going.....home.

You might want to check up on their courageous, professional and honourable record in The Congo before you make such childish remarks from the comfort of your LaZ-boy reclining chair there in the outback.

Egginacup

2smiggy wrote: »

what happened al-qaeda ? suddenly any thing that happens any way related to 'terrorism' , they seem to be somehow linked to ISIS ?

ISIS are the new threat-du-jour don't you know? Al-Qaeda and the Taliban had become household names and so didn't carry the same fear factor. The Lords Resistance Army had some effect as did Boko Haram but ISIS chopping off heads really got us sh!tting in our toggs again and ready to do anything to be "kept safe".

SEPT 23 1989

Maybe the Irish Army could do what they do best,act as an armed escort for ISIS when they are depositing their oil cash in the bank