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ISIS are pure evil.

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    #1862
    DLMA23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭DLMA23


    asteroids over berlin wrote: »
    Jaysus Allaah and Muhammad were unfriendly twats!
    :pac: somewhat anti-social to say the least


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    #1863
    nc19
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭nc19


    DLMA23 wrote: »
    In the Quraan, it says that muslims can not take the Kuffaar (disbelievers) as Awliyaa (friends, protectors, helpers)...

    Allaah has forbidden the believers to take the kaafireen (disbelievers) as friends & has issued a stern warning against doing that.

    Allaah says...

    “O you who believe!

    Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’, they are but Awliyaa’ of each other & if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’),

    then surely, he is one of them."

    In this verse Allaah tells us that whoever takes Jews & Christians as friends is one of them because of his taking them as friends.

    Elsewhere Allaah states that taking them as friends incurs the wrath of Allaah & his eternal punishment & that if the one who

    takes them as friends was a true believer he would not have taken them as friends.

    Allaah says...

    “You see many of them taking the disbelievers as their Awliyaa’.

    Evil indeed is that which their ownselves have sent forward before them,

    for that reason Allaah’s wrath fell upon them & in torment they will

    abide.

    And had they believed in Allaah & in the Prophet (Muhammad) & in

    what has been revealed to him, never would they have taken them

    (the disbelievers) as Awliyaa’, but many of them are the Faasiqoon

    (rebellious, disobedient to Allaah)

    Absolutely ridiculous religion


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    #1864
    take everything
    Registered Users Posts: 9,805 ✭✭✭take everything


    What are these evil morons at.
    Surely beheading clearly decent people who have never harmed anyone can only strengthen the case that the UK/US have in bombing the **** out of them.
    Reflected in the relative lack of protest you see this time around.

    Are they as stupid as they are murderous.


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    #1865
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    Why do news programmes decide not to show the beheading of these poor victims when they are quite happy to show pictures of western air strikes. The blowing up of moving vehicles with possible innocent people inside into a million pieces is equally as horrifying as the beheading of any individual.


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    #1866
    take everything
    Registered Users Posts: 9,805 ✭✭✭take everything


    And why again aren't we hearing senior figures in the Muslim world denounce them more vocally.
    I can't imagine not hearing from the pope If there were guys doing the same thing in the name of Christianity.

    Edit: ok read just there that some Muslim leaders in the UK did that. Still, it would be nice to see them more outspoken on this.


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    #1867
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    take everything wrote: »
    And why again aren't we hearing senior figures in the Muslim world denounce them more vocally.
    I can't imagine not hearing from the pope If there were guys doing the same thing in the name of Christianity.

    Edit: ok just there that some Muslim leaders in the UK did that. Still, it would be nice to see them more outspoken on this.

    Why are we not hearing christian leaders asking for the air strikes to end?


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    #1868
    take everything
    Registered Users Posts: 9,805 ✭✭✭take everything


    gordongekko wrote: »
    Why are we not hearing christian leaders asking for the air strikes to end?

    I would imagine they don't like the idea of seemingly stupid murderous savages taking over a large part of country with designs further afield. A well resourced one at that.


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    #1869
    PLUG71
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭PLUG71


    gordongekko wrote: »
    Why do news programmes decide not to show the beheading of these poor victims when they are quite happy to show pictures of western air strikes. The blowing up of moving vehicles with possible innocent people inside into a million pieces is equally as horrifying as the beheading of any individual.

    No it's not!


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    #1870
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    take everything wrote: »
    I would imagine they don't like the idea of seemingly stupid murderous savages taking over a large part of country with designs further afield. A well resourced one at that.

    You are describing the western money grabbing countries to a tee.


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    #1871
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    PLUG71 wrote: »
    No it's not!

    Yes it is.


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    #1872
    Yarf Yarf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭Yarf Yarf


    take everything wrote: »
    What are these evil morons at.
    Surely beheading clearly decent people who have never harmed anyone can only strengthen the case that the UK/US have in bombing the **** out of them.
    Reflected in the relative lack of protest you see this time around.

    Are they as stupid as they are murderous.

    Surely it's kind of obvious what is going on? They're trying to provoke a reaction from the US and the UK. Air strikes don't win wars and these people don't fear death. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they want a chance to face British and American soldiers on the ground. We're not dealing with rational people. They're brain washed lunatics. They want a holy war.


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    #1873
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    take everything wrote: »
    And why again aren't we hearing senior figures in the Muslim world denounce them more vocally.
    I can't imagine not hearing from the pope If there were guys doing the same thing in the name of Christianity.

    Edit: ok read just there that some Muslim leaders in the UK did that. Still, it would be nice to see them more outspoken on this.

    All the top UK Muslim clerics came out with videos pleading with them to release Alan Henning. These fellas are not representative of Islam. I watched a video of them on patrol on a random street in Iraq,going though a market and they stopped a man and his wife and told the guy to cover his woman's face up. The guy then turned around and spoke in a strong London accent. Who the **** are these fellas to tell Muslims who live when these locals have lived in these Muslim countries for generations?
    The normal people living in Syria and Iraq must be exhausted from all this bull****.


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    #1874
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Yarf Yarf wrote: »
    Surely it's kind of obvious what is going on? They're trying to provoke a reaction from the US and the UK. Air strikes don't win wars and these people don't fear death. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they want a chance to face British and American soldiers on the ground. We're not dealing with rational people. They're brain washed lunatics. They want a holy war.

    they will have their wish but unlike previous campaigns the western forces will be allowed take the gloves off and fight like they did when they went up against nazi Germany


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    #1875
    Yarf Yarf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭Yarf Yarf


    Quite a prominent and extreme British Muslim cleric who has a reputation for sympathizing with jihadists even called for Alan Henning's release saying that it was not in keeping with Islamic law to kill a man who was delivering humanitarian aid. To say that Muslims are silent on the whole thing is utter BS. They shouldn't even have to come out and justify their beliefs in the face of what is simply total lunacy anyway.


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    #1876
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    take everything wrote: »
    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    they will have their wish but unlike previous campaigns the western forces will be allowed take the gloves off and fight like they did when they went up against nazi Germany

    wtf? /\/\/\/\/\/\


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    #1877
    DLMA23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭DLMA23


    PLUG71 wrote: »
    No it's not!
    gordongekko wrote: »
    Yes it is.
    :pac::pac::pac:


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    #1878
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    smurgen wrote: »
    All the top UK Muslim clerics came out with videos pleading with them to release Alan Henning. These fellas are not representative of Islam. I watched a video of them on patrol on a random street in Iraq,going though a market and they stopped a man and his wife and told the guy to cover his woman's face up. The guy then turned around and spoke in a strong London accent. Who the **** are these fellas to tell Muslims who live when these locals have lived in these Muslim countries for generations?
    The normal people living in Syria and Iraq must be exhausted from all this bull****.

    Is the instruction to cover the woman's face not representative of Islam? These fellas are not representative of the people who practice Islam but surely they represent the religion itself?


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    #1879
    Highflyer13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Highflyer13


    DLMA23 wrote: »
    In the Quraan, it says that muslims can not take the Kuffaar (disbelievers) as Awliyaa (friends, protectors, helpers)...

    Allaah has forbidden the believers to take the kaafireen (disbelievers) as friends & has issued a stern warning against doing that.

    Allaah says...


    “O you who believe!

    Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’, they are but Awliyaa’ of each other & if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’),

    then surely, he is one of them."

    In this verse Allaah tells us that whoever takes Jews & Christians as friends is one of them because of his taking them as friends.

    Elsewhere Allaah states that taking them as friends incurs the wrath of Allaah & his eternal punishment & that if the one who

    takes them as friends was a true believer he would not have taken them as friends.

    Allaah says...

    “You see many of them taking the disbelievers as their Awliyaa’.

    Evil indeed is that which their ownselves have sent forward before them,

    for that reason Allaah’s wrath fell upon them & in torment they will

    abide.

    And had they believed in Allaah & in the Prophet (Muhammad) & in

    what has been revealed to him, never would they have taken them

    (the disbelievers) as Awliyaa’, but many of them are the Faasiqoon

    (rebellious, disobedient to Allaah)

    Obviously these guys interpet that in different ways. Religion is such utter brainwashing bull****.


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    #1880
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Call Me Jimmy wrote: »
    Is the instruction to cover the woman's face not representative of Islam? These fellas are not representative of the people who practice Islam but surely they represent the religion itself?

    I'm saying that I'm sure that the Iraqi and Syrian people in the region have been muslims for centuries and surely know how to live as Muslims.they don't need some little retarded cockney bastard from the east end telling them how to live in their own country.


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    #1881
    DarkyHughes
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    Why always me wrote: »
    The something is a bunch of dirty terrorists. Who have beheaded children. Shot dozens of captured men in the head. And beheaded aid workers.

    You do realize their not a standing army, their a guerrilla force with no fixed bases or HQ's spread out in cells over the places they control.. Trying to nuke ISIS would end up being the biggest massacre of civilians in a single action since WW2. Although the disregard people seem to have for civilians being killed by the West I guess they wouldn't really mind that too much.

    "those ISIS b*stards can't kill civilians in the Middle East how dare they, that's our job" type attitude.


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    #1882
    K4t
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    US should invade them with the Turks. These people can't and never will be reasoned with. Some people need to die.


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    #1883
    mr_edge_to_you
    Registered Users Posts: 3,106 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    K4t wrote: »
    US should invade them with the Turks. These people can't and never will be reasoned with. Some people need to die.

    Give the Israelis a blank cheque and let them at IS.


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    #1884
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    K4t wrote: »
    US should invade them with the Turks. These people can't and never will be reasoned with. Some people need to die.

    I agree I'm not sure Cameron can be reasoned with but America and Turkey starting a war with the UK won't solve anything.


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    #1885
    Gringo180
    Registered Users Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    LorMal wrote: »
    Don't be such an eejit. British, French and American aid workers, journalists and tourists getting their heads cut off by British Muslims is definitely the 'Wests business'.
    Stop blaming the West for these murders - its what these ****ers want- hence the propaganda videos before each beheading.
    You know who is to blame? The ****ers with the knives. No one else!!!!

    They don't wake up one day and bam think we are going to start murdering westerners for no reason. This has all come to head because of the wests foreign policy in there region, only a fool would think otherwise.


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    #1886
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    They don't wake up one day and bam think we are going to start murdering westerners for no reason. This has all come to head because of the wests foreign policy in there region, only a fool would think otherwise.

    Totally disagree
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    #1887
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    Gatling wrote: »
    Totally disagree

    I totally disagree with your total disagreement


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    #1888
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    gordongekko wrote: »
    I totally disagree with your total disagreement

    Let's go to war
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    #1889
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Yarf Yarf wrote: »
    Quite a prominent and extreme British Muslim cleric who has a reputation for sympathizing with jihadists even called for Alan Henning's release saying that it was not in keeping with Islamic law to kill a man who was delivering humanitarian aid. To say that Muslims are silent on the whole thing is utter BS. They shouldn't even have to come out and justify their beliefs in the face of what is simply total lunacy anyway.

    Sheikh Abdul-Aziz Al al-Sheikh (the Saudi grand Mufti) denounces ISIS as heinous under Sharia law.here

    Salafist (& al-Qaeda spiritual leader and former mentor of Abu Musab Zarqawi) Assem Barqawi, aka Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi condemns ISIS, calls the declaration of the caliphate a "rush job", and contrary to the principals of Sharia here

    Abdullah el-Faisal, (former Iman of Brixton mosque) calls the killing of someone like Alan Henning un-Islamic and contrary to sharia law, and will backfire on the Islamic state. Same man also tweeted that Isis was a punishment from Allah for “all fake Muslims who don’t want Islam, and stated his support for IS. here

    Mohammed Shafiq (chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation) condmened the killing of Alan Henning, but earlier charged a person (Maajid Nawaz) with
    Gustake Rasool (defmaer of prophets, crime punishable by death) for wearing a t shirt with a picture of Mohammed on it. (here)

    Omer El-Hamdoon, Muslim Council of Britain, calls for release of Alan Henning. Also endorses death by stoning as a punishment for adultery. He has also called for “Islamophobia” to be made a criminal offence in Britain

    This letter to Al-Bagdadi inter alia condemns IS procedures (point 14) (here) , and that it is forbidden in Islam to deny women their rights"!!!

    These condemnations of the Islamic State focus on its violent tactics and not its belief that Muslims are commanded to wage jihad to build an Islamic state based on sharia. these condemnations are but self preservation, for ISIS philosophy is "submit to ISIS or die", not "submit to Islam or die". they're happy enough with the whole sharia thing.

    the solution to IS and its ilk lies with Islam. the US can bomb the shyte out of them, but after that. the moderates (if there is such a thing) need to come to the fore.


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    #1890
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    On a slightly odd note.

    al-Qaeda actually tried unsuccessfully to negotiate Alan hennings release from isis at one stage isis apparently wanted several UK citizens released from prison there .
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    #1891
    Gringo180
    Registered Users Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Gatling wrote: »
    Totally disagree

    Bit of a coincidence so that these fundamentalist groups have started to wage war on us after our first invasion of Iraq and has got worse after our second invasion?? I don't recall of ever hearing of an attack by these jihadists on American soil before invading Iraq?


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