ISIS are pure evil.

Berserker

pablo128 wrote: »

If the Yanks can arm the Israeli army to fight palestinians, why can't they arm the Iraqi army to fight ISIS? Or is that too simplistic?

I'll answer your question with a question. Where did ISIS get their weapons from?

LorMal

Berserker wrote: »

I'll answer your question with a question. Where did ISIS get their weapons from?

Looks like they got some of them from Saudi Arabia, some of them from US supplying other factions and most of them from the Iraqis running away

Donkey Oaty

Very interesting FT article about the current situation with ISIS here, which outlines the complexity of the situation.

It seems very unclear about how this is all going to pan out.

Ditch

Here's a straight and genuine question I'd be interested in learning the answer to, please:

Why is it that, in practically All the visual coverages I see of " ISIS ", 99% of the f**kers have their faces covered. Or, the actual imagery is post pixelated?

WTF's That all about

Thanks.

realdanbreen

Berserker wrote: »

I'll answer your question with a question. Where did ISIS get their weapons from?

Isis just like all other armed groups get their weapons from any one of a large number of weapons manufacturers that they wish to buy from, and pretty much all of them are based in the west.

mad muffin

markfla wrote: »

This John McCain??
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10527447_10152308716282663_5157582610359199431_n.png

is this verified?

pablo128 wrote: »

If the Yanks can arm the Israeli army to fight palestinians, why can't they arm the Iraqi army to fight ISIS? Or is that too simplistic?

The Iraqi forces are armed to the teeth. It just seems they don't have the stomach for fighting. Alot ran away and the once that got captured went to their deaths like lambs to the slaughter.

Iwasfrozen

Ditch wrote: »

Here's a straight and genuine question I'd be interested in learning the answer to, please:

Why is it that, in practically All the visual coverages I see of " ISIS ", 99% of the f**kers have their faces covered. Or, the actual imagery is post pixelated?

WTF's That all about

Thanks.

Most of the footage comes from videos ISIS have filmed and released themselves.

Ditch

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Most of the footage comes from videos ISIS have filmed and released themselves.

That sounds fair. Can't see many western journalists standing around, trying not to get in the way, as they massacre hundreds of people.

Still leaves the question of why these special soldiers of god feel the need to hide their identities as they enthusiastically go about His work though

wendell borton

The Kurds seem to be the only ones with the will to do anything. They rescued thousands of Yazidis and helped to relative safety.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/09/iraqi-yazidis-syria_n_5664594.html

mad muffin

Ditch wrote: »

That sounds fair. Can't see many western journalists standing around, trying not to get in the way, as they massacre hundreds of people.

Still leaves the question of why these special soldiers of god feel the need to hide their identities as they enthusiastically go about His work though

I'd say those that have their face hidden live in western countries?

renegademaster

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Very interesting FT article about the current situation with ISIS here, which outlines the complexity of the situation.

It seems very unclear about how this is all going to pan out.

the industrial war machine marches on with many raking in a fortune from it all

Ditch

mad muffin wrote: »

I'd say those that have their face hidden live in western countries?

That's a heartening concept then. Because, as I say, about 99% of them have towels round their faces. And, one day, they might be coming back to ye local kebab shop ....? Lovely.

Actually, I've been going about my chores here and mulling it over, as ye do. Something LorMal said above here struck me. This whole, overt, sexual thing.

One can't help but wonder just how many of these young men set out to join in. Knowing that they're guaranteed to be on the winning side. They get to carry an AK47 against unarmed 'enemies'. Then just do absolutely what ever they like with those enemies.

Raping women. Killing kiddies. (Considering the f**kers are virtually Culturally Paedophiles, I could see That having quite an attraction for them) Blowing peoples brains out ~ with absolutely no fear of come back. Hacking peoples heads off, for the photo shoot to bring back home?

F**k, yeah! Who'd want to miss out on all of that? We saw it in the Balkans. Young idiots flying out there to join in. Writing " Born To Kill " and " The Yorkshire Ripper " on their helmet covers.

Now it's, " Hey! Ahkmed! Ye made it! So; Is that a Knife in ye pocket ~ or are ye just glad to be here?! "

FFS .....

NIMAN

Where are all the marches throughout Ireland in support of these people?
This is equally as serious a situation as Gaza, yet why is it that Gaza is the only crisis to get support of the Irish people?

unseenfootage

Many of the stories that IS has beheaded children have been fabricated by kurds. Some guys on twitter did reverse image searches and discovered that some of the images are from the war in Syria. I remember seeing a picture of a little girl with he head cut off. This was done by Assad's forces more than a year ago.

The kurds are not very reliable and they make many stories up. Don't be fooled.

FTA69

InTheTrees wrote: »

Yeah. They've always been passed over and yet they've never gone down the terrorist route and always done the right thing by people.

Look up the PKK. Kurds have been engaged in armed struggle for decades.

Tail Docker

unseenfootage wrote: »

Many of the stories that IS has beheaded children have been fabricated by kurds. Some guys on twitter did reverse image searches and discovered that some of the images are from the war in Syria. I remember seeing a picture of a little girl with he head cut off. This was done by Assad's forces more than a year ago.

The kurds are not very reliable and they make many stories up. Don't be fooled.

I agree. I would also point posters lambasting my earlier posts in this thread as being "Soft on extremism" to have a goo at what I posted a long, long while back that Radical Islam was the biggest threat to our lives in the West there was. Then, I was also lambasted as being "anti-Muslim", a "racist" and "idiotic". So, there's no winning.

But, I do believe that this current "branch" - ISIS - is being set up as the classic bogey-man to justify military actions that have feck all to do with stopping religious bigots and everything to do with spreading fear and division, for profit.

unseenfootage

FTA69 wrote: »

Look up the PKK. Kurds have been engaged in armed struggle for decades.

I think you mean Terrorism, or does that label not apply to them these days.

bboybaboy19

NIMAN wrote: »

Where are all the marches throughout Ireland in support of these people?
This is equally as serious a situation as Gaza, yet why is it that Gaza is the only crisis to get support of the Irish people?

That's the intelligence of internet campaigns for you.

Nodin

NIMAN wrote: »

Where are all the marches throughout Ireland in support of these people?
This is equally as serious a situation as Gaza, yet why is it that Gaza is the only crisis to get support of the Irish people?

ISIS are a terrorist organisation, outlawed internationally, and currently being bombed by the US. What, exactly, would they be marching for?

Tail Docker

Nodin wrote: »

ISIS are a terrorist organisation, outlawed internationally, and currently being bombed by the US. What, exactly, would they be marching for?

Because they have killed women and children brutally and indiscriminately? Hmm. Sounds familiar to other recent events. I guess context is everything. I doubt the dead give a damn about the context though, or their families. Or the manner of death..

Funny how one mans child killer is a terrorist, another is just protecting an edge. To me, they're all just different parts of a huge, sh1tty puzzle.

Nodin

Tail Docker wrote: »

Because they have killed women and children brutally and indiscriminately? .......

Yep, hence the bombing, the outlawing and the rest. Crimes elsewhere were often committed by regimes that suffered no consequence for their actions, hence protest movements.

Tail Docker

Nodin wrote: »

Yep, hence the bombing, the outlawing and the rest. Crimes elsewhere were often committed by regimes that suffered no consequence for their actions, hence protest movements.

How does that sit with you? I'm actually interested to hear, I generally respect what you have to say.

Nodin

Tail Docker wrote: »

How does that sit with you? I'm actually interested to hear, I generally respect what you have to say.

Sorry not meaning to be obtuse, how does what sit with me?

Tail Docker

Nodin wrote: »

Sorry not meaning to be obtuse, how does what sit with me?

The bombing of one bunch of child killing religious fanatics and the massive pass for another.

Nodin

Tail Docker wrote: »

The bombing of one bunch of child killing religious fanatics and the massive pass for another.

It makes me sick, particularily considering how long its been going on for.

unseenfootage

Tail Docker wrote: »

Because they have killed women and children brutally and indiscriminately? .

Actually they haven't.

The rebels in Syria and Iraq only fight the armies and each other. It is the State Terrorists - Maliki and Assad who kill women and children.

Tail Docker

unseenfootage wrote: »

Actually they haven't.

The rebels in Syria and Iraq only fight the armies and each other. It is the State Terrorists - Maliki and Assad who kill women and children.

Benjamin Netanyahu gets a pass does he?

Iwasfrozen

Tail Docker wrote: »

Benjamin Netanyahu gets a pass does he?

Don't turn this isn't an Israeli thread. If you want to discuss Gaza there are many other threads to indulge yourself in. This thread is about ISIS.

Tail Docker

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Don't turn this isn't an Israeli thread. If you want to discuss Gaza there are many other threads to indulge yourself in. This thread is about ISIS.

I checked the MODs list. No previously frozen people on it, therefore, pfo. The point is relevant, why is one groups slaughter of women and children ok, and others a cause for bombing them?

LorMal

Tail Docker wrote: »

I checked the MODs list. No previously frozen people on it, therefore, pfo. The point is relevant, why is one groups slaughter of women and children ok, and others a cause for bombing them?

Man, you are really incorrigible. No amount of reasoned debate shifts you from your position. The ultimate keyboard warrior.
There is an obvious difference but you won't care when I point it out to you...here goes...The Christians on the mountain are not firing hundreds of rockets at ISIS.

Tail Docker

LorMal wrote: »

Man, you are really incorrigible. No amount of reasoned debate shifts you from your position. The ultimate keyboard warrior.
There is an obvious difference but you won't care when I point it out to you...here goes...The Christians on the mountain are not firing hundreds of rockets at ISIS.

If they had them, would they be justified using them, in your considered view?. And if they would be justified, then really, that's your reasoned argument fecked. Also, LOL at your "No amount of reasoned debate shifts you from your position." I could say the same, btw.

unseenfootage

Baghdad is about to blow up. Shia on Shia violence. Reports are coming in that there is gunfire in the green zone. sh*t just got real.

LorMal

Tail Docker wrote: »

If they had them, would they be justified using them, in your considered view?. And if they would be justified, then really, that's your reasoned argument fecked. Also, LOL at your "No amount of reasoned debate shifts you from your position." I could say the same, btw.

Well, let's see...they are surrounded, they are starving, 500 of them have been murdered already, if ISIS attack they will be butchered, raped, beheaded...
I don't think your brilliant 'do nothing' strategy is going to work somehow.

But who cares, they're not Palestinians.....

Tail Docker

LorMal wrote: »

Well, let's see...they are surrounded, they are starving, 500 of them have been murdered already, if ISIS attack they will be butchered, raped, beheaded...
I don't think your brilliant 'do nothing' strategy is going to work somehow.

But who cares, they're not Palestinians.....

But you didn't care when the palestinians were "surrounded, they are starving, 500 of them have been murdered already, they will be butchered". Which is my point. You're a hypocrite.

unseenfootage

^ There is as yet no verifiable evidence that 500 got killed. Anybody who has been following the events in that part of the world will know that most of the news is false.

Have you asked yourself where are the images of this alleged massacre.

LorMal

unseenfootage wrote: »

^ There is as yet no verifiable evidence that 500 got killed. Anybody who has been following the events in that part of the world will know that most of the news is false.

Have you asked yourself where are the images of this alleged massacre.

There are no journalists there. I go only go on what has been reported. The Telegraph had a Jouno in one of the relief helicopters and his report was very grim.

unseenfootage

There is a report that ISIS has offered to pay for the churches that were damaged in Raqqa, (by other rebel groups,) during the initial fighting there.

Also , Christians are returning to Mosul. They claim that they were lied to by the Peshmerga and by the Iraqi Army. The are also saying that they are prepared to pay the Jizya, in return for protection.

LorMal

Tail Docker wrote: »

But you didn't care when the palestinians were "surrounded, they are starving, 500 of them have been murdered already, they will be butchered". Which is my point. You're a hypocrite.

FfS, at what point did I ever say I don't care about Palestinians. It's just that you are going on and on about the US and Israel and showing no regard for the issue we are actually discussing. It's boring and juvenile.

Iwasfrozen

@Tall Docker I really don't want to engage you on this issue. There are countless threads on boards where you can engage debate on Israel's actions in Gaza with like minded people but this is not one of them. Please stick to the topic on hand.

LorMal

unseenfootage wrote: »

There is a report that ISIS has offered to pay for the churches that were damaged in Raqqa, (by other rebel groups,) during the initial fighting there.

Also , Christians are returning to Mosul. They claim that they were lied to by the Peshmerga and by the Iraqi Army. The are also saying that they are prepared to pay the Jizya, in return for protection.

Where are you getting these reports?

unseenfootage

LorMal wrote: »

There are no journalists there. I go only go on what has been reported. The Telegraph had a Jouno in one of the relief helicopters and his report was very grim.

We know better than to trust embedded journos. Also the helicopter would not have flown where the alleged massacres took place.

You cannot just go on what is being reported, when half of it is blatant lies.

Tail Docker

LorMal wrote: »

FfS, at what point did I ever say I don't care about Palestinians. It's just that you are going on and on about the US and Israel and showing no regard for the issue we are actually discussing. It's boring and juvenile.

No. You are saying they deserve to be bombed and slaughtered as they are evil etc etc. The facts are emerging that contradict you somewhat. You're coming across as quite naive and hysterical tbh.

unseenfootage

LorMal wrote: »

Where are you getting these reports?

Twitter.

Tail Docker

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

@Tall Docker I really don't want to engage you on this issue. There are countless threads on boards where you can engage debate on Israel's actions in Gaza with like minded people but this is not one of them. Please stick to the topic on hand.

Sorry, again, become a Mod, or pfo. Post reported.

donegal__road

LorMal wrote: »

There are no journalists there. I go only go on what has been reported. The Telegraph had a Jouno in one of the relief helicopters and his report was very grim.

I have a friend who worked in Gaza for 3 years as an EU envoy to the Middle East and his reports were always very grim.

h2005

unseenfootage wrote: »

There is a report that ISIS has offered to pay for the churches that were damaged in Raqqa, (by other rebel groups,) during the initial fighting there.

Also , Christians are returning to Mosul. They claim that they were lied to by the Peshmerga and by the Iraqi Army. The are also saying that they are prepared to pay the Jizya, in return for protection.

Any links to these claims? ISIS don't strike me as the reconciliation type.

donegal__road

ISIS - manufactured enemy - false flag.

The ISIS leader is the new Osama Bin Laden.
This is the new propaganda coming from the main stream media, remember MH370 is still missing and Obama let 5 terrorists loose.

This is the setting up a new false flag... there is a reason we know this ISIS crowd are making moves and it's because someone wants to put them in the spotlight...

pay attention, because a plan has been put in motion and it does not look good.

EVERY person with at least two brain cells has wondered; 'How did this ISIS group appear out of nowhere, and how did they suddenly become this powerful fighting force, and what is up with their ‘Annual Report’ bull****? Well the answer is that it is all bull****.













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h2005

My head is hurting christ.

Nodin

h2005 wrote: »

My head is hurting christ.

And now you know why I don't post much in Syria related threads.

Iwasfrozen

donegal__road wrote: »

ISIS - manufactured enemy - false flag.

The ISIS leader is the new Osama Bin Laden.
This is the new propaganda coming from the main stream media, remember MH370 is still missing and Obama let 5 terrorists loose.

This is the setting up a new false flag... there is a reason we know this ISIS crowd are making moves and it's because someone wants to put them in the spotlight...

pay attention, because a plan has been put in motion and it does not look good.

EVERY person with at least two brain cells has wondered; 'How did this ISIS group appear out of nowhere, and how did they suddenly become this powerful fighting force, and what is up with their ‘Annual Report’ bull****? Well the answer is that it is all bull****.













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Tell it to the people crucified. Christ, people like you actually make me angry.