ISIS are pure evil.

Foxhound38

Looks like they're partial to a bit of book-burning to top it all off...

UNESCO certified rarities from antiquity, gone...

:mad:

Has this blight on human-kind not earned a trip to hell yet at the hands of the worlds militaries? The West already went in there for the wrong reasons once before and created this situation, there is a responsibility on the West not to simply wash its hands of it especially now that ISIS seem too big and well-equipped to be beaten by anything less than an advanced, first world military. Why aren't there boots on the ground now that there is an actual moral reason to go in? Waste these fcuks, send them back to the stone age they yearn to live in.

Zebra3 wrote: »

I'm no fan of IS. Also I'm no fan of the murderous, barbaric states lining up another "humanitarian intervention". How did the ones in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya go?

What do you suggest is done then?

Nodin

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Dhera, that's a catalog of right shits visiting atrocities on other peoples. I'm not (............)in Syria/Iraq.

There were links in the wiki article re justifications.

I'm not sure why Buddhists would adopt extremist Islamic norms when carrying out atrocities.....

The rest of your post can be answered by this
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94428142&postcount=2900

Roger Hassenforder

Nodin wrote: »

There were links in the wiki article re justifications.

I'm not sure why Buddhists would adopt extremist Islamic norms when carrying out atrocities.....

The rest of your post can be answered by this
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94428142&postcount=2900

Wut?

cruasder777

Nodin wrote: »

The wrath of God via imaginary people with wings is a common concept. You left that bit out solely to get a dig in. There are, by all accounts, various passages in the Koran that can be read as an instruction to violence to its followers but that isn't one of them. The truth is you believe that muslims are violent and search with preconceived notions. Leaving the first 3 words of that quote is quote mining of the worst kind.



Buddhist monks actively engage in violence and in encouraging it and do so in the name of their faith. Evidently they believe it's justified based on some teachings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence

Certainly Not the Buddhas, your link simply records violence by Buddhists, which has no theological basis. the Buddhas teachings were :

The Five Precepts: no killing, no stealing, no lying, no sexual misconduct, and no intoxicants. In becoming a Buddhist, or affirming one's commitment to Buddhism, a layperson is encouraged to vow to abstain from these negative actions.


Unlike Mohammed's Koran.


This is your logic......a poodle once savaged someone therefore they are the same as pitbulls, but actually pitbulls aren't really violent just misunderstood.

cruasder777

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo


Separating truth from political correctness.

Nodin

cruasder777 wrote: »

.............

This is your logic......a poodle once savaged someone therefore they are the same as pitbulls, but actually pitbulls aren't really violent just misunderstood.

More like - all dogs can bite, but not all dogs do.

Nodin

cruasder777 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo


Separating truth from political correctness.

What's he saying?

pragmatic1

Everyone is going to have to intervene in this because the problem is not going anywhere, in fact it's getting much worse.

obplayer

Nodin wrote: »

More like - all dogs can bite, but not all dogs do.

But some breeds bite more than others. Sometimes much more.

Zebra3

Foxhound38 wrote: »

What do you suggest is done then?

Why do anything?

List all previous interventions by the West in the ME and see how many you can find that turned out ok.

Sadly, the western media are happy to promote the interests of Lockheed Martin shareholders and bloodthirsty Western leaders over any sensible debate.

BoJack Horseman

Looks like 'Jihadis John' has been identified.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/26/uk-man-behind-isis-beheadings-named-as-mohammed-emwazi-jihadi-john

Dr Strange

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Looks like 'Jihadis John' has been identified.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/26/uk-man-behind-isis-beheadings-named-as-mohammed-emwazi-jihadi-john

So it's not the rapper guy it seems.

Roger Hassenforder

Zebra3 wrote: »

Why do anything?

List all previous interventions by the West in the ME and see how many you can find that turned out ok.

Sadly, the western media are happy to promote the interests of Lockheed Martin shareholders and bloodthirsty Western leaders over any sensible debate.

So do nothing? Leave ISIS do what they want?
Things were going swimmingly for the Yazidis until the yanks stepped in and did something.

I think the west has responsibility and capability to do something. But the long term future of ISIS et al can only be resolved by muslims themselves.

Wurzelbert

aphex™ wrote: »

His name has been on Wikipedia for months. He lived in a nice house in Maida Vale, London. His parents had a big court case to Europe as one of them fought for asylum.

The group who jail western prisoners are known as 'the Beatles' by their prisoners who were released, but media won't report that either. The prisoners nicknamed them John, Paul Ringo etc.

seems like a nice family...and to think people can sue their way into europe is just nauseating...europe has truly given up on itself...the beatles thing would be funny, too...

Tony EH

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

So do nothing? Leave ISIS do what they want?
Things were going swimmingly for the Yazidis until the yanks stepped in and did something.

I think the west has responsibility and capability to do something. But the long term future of ISIS et al can only be resolved by muslims themselves.

Well, as your pal Chomsky said, you can generally, do one of three things:

1. You can alleviate the problem.
2. You can make the problem worse
3. You can do nothing.

The "west" doesn't have a great track record at No.1 and it's actions usually lead to No.2, especially in the Middle East.

So, perhaps the best course of action the west can do for the time being is No.3.

Playboy

Genuine question for the people who have issues with Islam. What do you propose to do? If Islam is such an inherently dangerous religion and problems like ISIS, Boko Haram and Al Qaeda are only going to get worse then how we fix the problem.

Do we

1. Outlaw Islam in Europe?
2. Eject all European citizens who are Muslims?
3. Refuse all refugees who come from Muslim countries
4. Cut political ties with Muslim nations
5. Nuke the middle east but only after evacuating all non muslims?

Do we do all of the above, a combination of them or just one?

Alexis Sanchez

Tony EH wrote: »

Well, as your pal Chomsky said, you can generally, do one of three things:

1. You can alleviate the problem.
2. You can make the problem worse
3. You can do nothing.

The "west" doesn't have a great track record at No.1 and it's actions usually lead to No.2, especially in the Middle East.

So, perhaps the best course of action the west can do for the time being is No.3.

Must I Godwin this thread to prove that American intervention isn't necessarily a bad thing? If the Islamic State problem escalates to the point that they're an actual state with a strong army and invades neighbouring countries to cleanse it of its impurities, then something needs to be done.

Wurzelbert

Alexis Sanchez wrote: »

[...]If the Islamic State problem escalates to the point that they're an actual state with a strong army and invades neighbouring countries to cleanse it of its impurities, then something needs to be done.

i suggest we wait at least until they have found saddam’s hidden wmd...

keanosbeard

Your friend is a paedophile and a serial rapist.

He contacts you through social media and other channels to complain he is running out of condoms to rape women and children with.

Do you

A) Report him to the authorities.

Try and help him obtain more condoms.

The story about Imran Khawaja, a Muslim in possession of a British passport, is sickening.

Some lovely sympathizers and facilitators in the leafy suburbs of London.

nokia69

Playboy wrote: »

Genuine question for the people who have issues with Islam. What do you propose to do? If Islam is such an inherently dangerous religion and problems like ISIS, Boko Haram and Al Qaeda are only going to get worse then how we fix the problem.

Do we

1. Outlaw Islam in Europe?
2. Eject all European citizens who are Muslims?
3. Refuse all refugees who come from Muslim countries
4. Cut political ties with Muslim nations
5. Nuke the middle east but only after evacuating all non muslims?

Do we do all of the above, a combination of them or just one?

stop allowing foreign countries building and controlling mosques in Europe, Austria are doing this now

cut immigration from islamic countries to zero, and stop allowing people to import wives/husbands from islamic countries

stop being so close to the likes of saudi arabia and countries like it

be honest with islamists living in Europe and tell them they are not liked or wanted so please **** off to the islamic ****hole of their choice

any normal muslim wants to stay and is happy to integrate and obey the law is welcome to stay

cruasder777

Playboy wrote: »

Genuine question for the people who have issues with Islam. What do you propose to do? If Islam is such an inherently dangerous religion and problems like ISIS, Boko Haram and Al Qaeda are only going to get worse then how we fix the problem.

Do we

1. Outlaw Islam in Europe?
2. Eject all European citizens who are Muslims?
3. Refuse all refugees who come from Muslim countries
4. Cut political ties with Muslim nations
5. Nuke the middle east but only after evacuating all non muslims?

Do we do all of the above, a combination of them or just one?

1) Cuba does not allow Mosque building. We should follow. Mosques are more then religious buildings, Islam is more then a religion, its a totalitarian ideology.

2) Make them swear allegiance, if they become fanatics revoke their citizenship, deport them. Muslims born in Europe to be given secular education and cultural lessons on the country they are born, get them to integrate.

3) Yes, just like Cuba. Apart from Christians fleeing persecution.

4) No.

5)No.

Roger Hassenforder

Tony EH wrote: »

Well, as your pal Chomsky said, you can generally, do one of three things:

1. You can alleviate the problem.
2. You can make the problem worse
3. You can do nothing.

The "west" doesn't have a great track record at No.1 and it's actions usually lead to No.2, especially in the Middle East.

So, perhaps the best course of action the west can do for the time being is No.3.

Good old Chomsky demonstrates his irrelevance again.
1 is working just fine at the moment. ISIS pushed back from Kobane by Kurds/yanks, SA seems to have turned them over a few times, Yazidis issue "alleviated" if you will.

More hand wringing of course and calls for abstention in accordance with 3, will result in 2, necessitating the need for a bigger 1 eventually.

What's needed is more 1 with regard to an eventual 3 for the region.


Or as you'd say "FFS, so much fail in that statement"

Nodin

cruasder777 wrote: »

1) Cuba does not allow Mosque building. We should follow. Mosques are more then religious buildings, Islam is more then a religion, its a totalitarian ideology.

2) Make them swear allegiance, if they become fanatics revoke their citizenship, deport them. Muslims born in Europe to be given secular education and cultural lessons on the country they are born, get them to integrate.

3) Yes, just like Cuba. Apart from Christians fleeing persecution.

4) No.

5)No.

Wtf does Cuba have to do with anything?

cruasder777

Nodin wrote: »

Wtf does Cuba have to do with anything?

Cuba the country left wing white middle class pro Muslim supporters love so much refuses Mosque building, the irony.

We should follow their example.


http://www.inquisitr.com/1517382/cuban-muslims-rallies-for-plan-to-build-first-mosque-government-rejects-plan/

Nodin

cruasder777 wrote: »

Cuba the country left wing white middle class pro Muslim supporters love so much refuses Mosque building, the irony.

We should follow their example.

....so just nonsense then. Fair enuffski.

cruasder777

Nodin wrote: »

....so just nonsense then. Fair enuffski.

Why is it nonsense ?

Roger Hassenforder

Pedro Lazo Torres, revealed his plan. When it was rejected, he expressed dismay at the decision, pointing out that Russia gets an Orthodox Church while 4,000 Muslims in Cuba still have no official place to worship. As of now, Cuban Muslims have been performing congregational prayers in Torres’s living room.

That's some siting room Pedro has.

cruasder777

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Pedro Lazo Torres, revealed his plan. When it was rejected, he expressed dismay at the decision, pointing out that Russia gets an Orthodox Church while 4,000 Muslims in Cuba still have no official place to worship. As of now, Cuban Muslims have been performing congregational prayers in Torres’s living room.

That's some siting room Pedro has.

Cuba knows Islam has no loyalty to the state.

Nodin

cruasder777 wrote: »

Why is it nonsense ?

.....because you're introducing something that nobody here has said or advocated in this thread.

Roger Hassenforder

Nodin wrote: »

.....because you're introducing something that nobody here has said or advocated in this thread.

I'd say some aren't far off it